okay this is a serious topic. personally i value fairness and respect a lot. not only between humans but also between ssbm chars. earlier this week i suggested a jigglypuff ban but my thread got locked. i kinda can understand this since character bans are - even if legit - a huge modification. i still think puff deserves a ban but here is a more forgiving idea:
a couple of matchups in ssbm are horrible and not winnable no matter how good a player can be. in order to balance out those matchups know-how is definately required. lets take a look at peach vs jiggs. the matchup is 97:3 in jigglypuffs favor. (some people will argue its 95:5 actually but peach is more likely to get phantom hits instead of real hits because jiggs always draws back after a backair.) so in order to make this fair we need to restrict jiggs moveset. in this matchup jiggs would be no longer allowed to use rest. the matchup will now change to 85:15. (or 87:13) it kinda makes the matchup fairer, but as you can see its not a dramatical difference since jiggs doesnt get many rests on peach. because of that this is still not enough for this matchip to be fair. if we now ban backair and forward air as well the matchup becomes a fair 51:49 for jiggs. i really think this is a viable idea because for example in low tiers zeldas down b is banned as well. and it really makes the matchups fairer. in this case peach can now actually compete against jiggs. and jiggs still has neutral airs to cut through peachs turnips, so its still kinda in her favor. but jiggs cant rely on backair camping all day and it actually requires the player to use his brain in this matchup thats why i the idea is so good.
another example would be caption falcon vs sheik. the matchup is 60:40 for sheik. if we ban now sheiks downthrow (grabs are still allowed so that the cf cant sit in shield all day) the matchup becomes 60:40 for captain falcon. but now the matchup is vice versa so its not enough to just ban sheiks throw, we also need to ban cfs up b. this way the matchup becomes an even 50:50. and the matchup becomes much fairer and goes away from gay techchasing and focuses more on true comboes.
im really convinced that this idea is great, you just need to really think about it. please dont derail or troll or ban this topic, im completely serious. give this idea a chance itw worth it and as i said its just getting used to it. zelda has in low tiers no down b!
a couple of matchups in ssbm are horrible and not winnable no matter how good a player can be. in order to balance out those matchups know-how is definately required. lets take a look at peach vs jiggs. the matchup is 97:3 in jigglypuffs favor. (some people will argue its 95:5 actually but peach is more likely to get phantom hits instead of real hits because jiggs always draws back after a backair.) so in order to make this fair we need to restrict jiggs moveset. in this matchup jiggs would be no longer allowed to use rest. the matchup will now change to 85:15. (or 87:13) it kinda makes the matchup fairer, but as you can see its not a dramatical difference since jiggs doesnt get many rests on peach. because of that this is still not enough for this matchip to be fair. if we now ban backair and forward air as well the matchup becomes a fair 51:49 for jiggs. i really think this is a viable idea because for example in low tiers zeldas down b is banned as well. and it really makes the matchups fairer. in this case peach can now actually compete against jiggs. and jiggs still has neutral airs to cut through peachs turnips, so its still kinda in her favor. but jiggs cant rely on backair camping all day and it actually requires the player to use his brain in this matchup thats why i the idea is so good.
another example would be caption falcon vs sheik. the matchup is 60:40 for sheik. if we ban now sheiks downthrow (grabs are still allowed so that the cf cant sit in shield all day) the matchup becomes 60:40 for captain falcon. but now the matchup is vice versa so its not enough to just ban sheiks throw, we also need to ban cfs up b. this way the matchup becomes an even 50:50. and the matchup becomes much fairer and goes away from gay techchasing and focuses more on true comboes.
im really convinced that this idea is great, you just need to really think about it. please dont derail or troll or ban this topic, im completely serious. give this idea a chance itw worth it and as i said its just getting used to it. zelda has in low tiers no down b!
