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M'kay. I still fail to see how he'd resist that amount of force, but whatever.@Munomario777
I'm not going to convince you that Kirby would win. You're not going to convince me that Sonic would win. This whole thing is pointless, we might as well just agree to disagree like before and call it a tie.
If Shulk needs ether to reach full power ether should be in the arena. Otherwise it would be unfair.
We're not giving fighters an unfair advantage. Ether is unique to the Xenoblade series, and this battle does not take place in any fighter's universe.
I think that honor probably goes to the social threads.
You're misunderstanding. I didn't say Shulk doesn't have his abilities. I said that being in an etherless location, he wouldn't be able to will anyone out of existence because they're not made of ether. This ignores the fact that Shulk has never done this to any of his enemies before, so willing them out of existence is not part of his MO. Shulk's Monado uses ether and is likely made of it, so it'll be able to generate ether. Palutena's power, Ganondorf's power, and Ness' power do not sustain their respective universe. I'm willing to bet whatever it is that sustains them are at least present in other universes as well.
No it doesn't because quantum mechanics doesn't tell us anything about atomless universes. You also built a straw man. I am not saying Shulk doesn't have his abilities. I'm saying that he cannot will people out of existence because they lack ether. If Darth Vader was in this match, he would only be able to use the Force on himself because his body has midi-chlorians. Unless there was something comparable to midi-chlorians in his opponent's body, then he wouldn't be able to use the Force freely on others. Shulk is made of ether. He can use vision because it involves him and danger. Shulk can use Monado Shield because he is made of ether. Shulk cannot will another out of existence because they're not made of ether.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Yeah, ether in our world isn't ether from the Xenoblade universe because it doesn't share the same properties. Ether in our world is A. Ether in Xenoblade is B. The law of identity says A is A. This means all the characteristics have to be exactly the same, otherwise A and B aren't the same. Since it's not part of Shulk's MO to will people out of existence, he wouldn't do it.
It is different. Unless you're willing to prove that ether in our universe affects a spiritual world.
I've never played Xenoblade, but man, do scripts sure come in handy.
It's the best thread on Smashbros, though!I think that honor probably goes to the social threads.
What makes you say that?
You don't know whether there's anything comparable in an opponent's body, you have no idea. You can't prove that Ness or Darth Vader's abilities would or wouldn't work.. but you assume that Samus' Energy Tanks would because it's convenient for your argument. Why not apply this to all combatants? If we were debating Darth Vader, I would most certainly assume his abilities would work. Midi-chlorians are present in all living beings... who is to say we don't have them? That Mario or Peach or Yoshi don't? The same goes for Ether....
If we're going by the rules you tried to lay out, that we can't assume X because we're in a different universe, then Bowser could beat any of the rest of the cast because you can't ever know if their powers would work or how they would react. He's a 9 foot lizard who weighs over a ton. No one could kill him, let alone hurt him.
You don't know that, though. You have no idea. You're grasping here.
It's not stated that they need something exclusive to their world to function.
Midi-chlorians are exclusive to the Star Wars universe (they're not shown to be in any other universe), and they need to be inside the target for Vader to manipulate them. Samus's gear may be exclusive to the Metroid universe, but they don't require anything specific to be in the environment. Shulk needs ether to be inside his target in order to manipulate said target. Ether is exclusive to the Xenoblade world (Alvis describes ether as "the fabric of our world"), so outside of the Xenoblade world, Shulk cannot use these techniques on anyone but himself.
Bowser being a lizard =/= Shulk relying on a universe-exclusive substance.
Ether has shown many different properties that matter in other worlds does not demonstrate. Instead of being redundant, I'll refer you to the posts Dryn and I have made on the subject.
Except Alvis is not here.
Shulk can see the future... in his own universe. He can reset the universe... in his own universe (and if Alvis is present). Since we're not in Shulk's universe, he is not a "future seeing universe buster". Those abilities rely on things present in his universe and his universe alone.
In the Mario universe, it's the stars that bring life. In our universe, the same can be said of us. As the late Carl Sagan would put it, we are all made from "star stuff". The Zelda universe relies on the three goddesses, although it doesn't appear that anyone relies on the goddesses' power to remain alive. It's almost as if the Zelda universe is polydeistic. The Metroid universe is known for having the Sun, the planet Earth, as well as planet Jupiter, as well as the asteroid belt where the dwarf planet, Ceres, would be located. You can see this here. It'd be closer to our universe and closer to the Mario universe than the Xenoblade universe.
Considering characters like Mario, Link, Samus, Pikachu are all from a different universe, I can say with absolute certainty that none of them have something called ether. Mario relies on atoms. Link relies on force, the very breath of life. Samus relies on atoms. I suspect those from Pokémon are supposed to rely on something similar, but who knows? One thing is for certain, both the Zelda and Pokémon universes have some divine being''s existence for the creation of the universe.
Bowser would either be very slow or incapable of moving. However, you're still making a straw man because I'm not denying anyone their abilities and none of these characters rely on something like ether in order to be able to use their abilities.
Like any assertion, I can dismiss it.
That has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with method. Just because someone who enjoys killing, doesn't mean they'll first go in for the kill. They very well may prefer to humiliate their prey.
It's not for me to prove. I'm not making the claims, I'm doubting them.
This sounds reasonable to me. I personally don't agree with it, but it's not an unfair view to take at all.
However, I have no idea how this shows that ether isn't analogous to subparticles like quarks or atoms? I guess you can argue the word "immaterial" implies "not matter", but the Monado can control both atoms AND energy, which would be both material and immaterial. It seems to me that Ether is analogous to quarks/atoms since there's no discussion of it in a magical/spiritual sense. It just so happens that the beings of the Xenoblade world can manipulate atoms/quarks innately, as if by magic! (Not so very different from Zelda, Robin, et al.) XB just gives it a fancy name.
As far as I'm aware, atoms, quarks, and general energy don't look like this:
Quarks and sub-atoms are physical objects. Energy is also physical. Things can be massless and physical like photons.
That'd probably be what ether is closest to. If that's the case, then it should be able to manipulate anyone who is made of magic or affect their magic abilities.
Energy is material, if by that you mean it's physical. I've never observed a physical object be affected by a non-physical object.
Just because it's closest to magic doesn't mean that it's the same thing, or that it should be treated as the same thing. Birds are apparently the closest thing we have today to dinosaurs, but there are some clear differences, and they cannot be treated as the same thing. The same applies here.
Yes, it is physical. By "material" I was referring more to matter and all that. I agree with your points here.
I'm not denying that Energy is physical, but by definition it's not 'material' - made of matter - which is the phrasing used by Alvis that you posted.
Fair point!
What other properties? What 'spiritual world'? I'm not trying to debate, I just generally what to know what these are in the context of Xenoblade... (I've played the game and ether isn't really a main focus. It's generally just background flavor to the main story, so it's possible that it got brought up in NPC dialogue or something that I missed.)
Appearing as it does in the image above, appearing as crystals, forming stat boosting gems, being mined, etc.
The one that @Dryn brought up.
That's quite possible.
It'd be their version of magic, just like PSI would be Ness' version of magic. In the Zelda universe, there is force, which is the sacred power of the gods. This is also the breath of life, so it's possible that force affects the material and immaterial worlds in the Zelda universe.
It's supposed to be energy and mass, actually. Considering "divine" was used within that same sentence, I'd suspect "immaterial" is referring to spiritual, rather than physical, according to the definition from the Oxford English Dictionary. There are gods, after all.
Yes, but they shouldn't be treated as the same thing.
There are gods. Isn't the Monado (which relies on using ether to get things done) used to kill them?
It's not a logical lea at all. Anyone who mentioned the word "immaterial", or "divine", or "gods" suggests the presence of the spiritual. Until you can prove that ether is anything like quarks (physical objects), I'll stick to this position.
It'd be fair to at least treat them analogous.
Right, of course. We just shouldn't treat them as the same thing, because they're clearly not.
Also, yay! New Nintendo nerdery to read~
I would like to it clear that I've come to accept the statements from Zelda and the sages concerning Ganondorf. There was something about some figure in the past in one of the Zelda manuals that made it clear to me that this individual received knowledge from the goddesses, who are omniscient. I accepted that Ganondorf could not be killed by anything except the power to repel evil. Tell me what you think "immaterial" means because this is Alvis, the one who seems to know all that there is to be known of ether, who is including "immaterial" into "the very fabric of existence".
I took a bit of info from the Xenoblade Wiki, but the game's script is what I relied on to get to this conclusion, since I was unsatisfied with what the wiki had to say. I was also interested in finding out if Shulk's vision relied on ether. So I went to the source itself. I don't see any reason to think of "divine" and "gods" as figurative, especially if they're omnipotent, an attribute only the classical definition of "god" would have.
I hope you enjoy.
He has a proper life bar in Woolly World. You can die as him in Super Mario 64 DS. Yoshi appears in Sunshine as a mount like in the 2D platformers; I'm not sure if he can take damage or not. He can't technically die in Galaxy 2; rather, he retreats to an egg. I think this would count as a loss, though, as he has to be retrieved by Mario. He will "die" from bottomless pits in games like Super Mario World. We can't see what happens when he falls into lava, as he's not allowed into castle stages. Mario Maker may shed some light on that, though.
Shulk is made of ether, so he can stay that way in the battle.
I know. Ether deficiency occurs when there is a change in the atmosphere. While I think that's funny, we're ignoring that because that would be unfair to Shulk. Shulk already has all of his abilities. The only thing that he cannot do (and most likely wouldn't do if ether was present) is will people out of existence. Honestly, even with ether present, it's not like the characters on the roster are made of it, so it still wouldn't work.
Ugh. I hate pulling out dictionaries in debate, it feels so pedantic. Merriam-Webster states that it means "Not consisting of matter; intangible". Basically, yes, spiritual things are all immaterial. But not all things immaterial are spiritual is what I'm getting at. Alvis can use that word and simply be referring to all of those things without any implication of a spiritual existence in the XB universe.
I'm not sure how omnipotence implies the existence of a spiritual world? Is a spiritual world required for omnipotence? Does Ether need to have a spiritual component to confer omnipotence? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely trying to talk through the logic here and coming up with dead ends.
Well, immaterial refers to spiritual, rather than physical. This is attributed to philosophy from the OED. Synonyms for "immaterial" are intangible, incorporeal, not material, bodiless, unembodied, disembodied, impalpable, ethereal, unsubstantial, insubstantial, airy, aerial, spiritual, ghostly, spectral, wraithlike, transcedental, unearthly, supernatural. Funnily, "ethereal" contains the word "ether". Ether is defined as:
I used to be a Christian, but the only two people I can point to are Thomas Aquinas and William Lane Craig. I think they spoke of omnipotence as an attribute of an incorporeal god.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Super Mario 64.
That is just outright cool. The nerd in me that loves technobabble explanations is satisfied with this.
In Kid Icarus, Pit acquires an item called protective crystal. It can harm enemies who touch them. Its damage output will be equal to Pit's arrow strength. By the way, the arrow strength increases the damage of Pit's arrows. This in addition with the fire arrows will cause extra damage. The fire spirals around the arrows, by the way, which slightly increases the diameter of the attack. Pit can also wear silver armor, which reduces damage by half.
You are calculating reaction times with video game lasers. You never calculate reaction times with video game lightning or lasers. You should be wary of using video game black holes as well.I agree. Turns out he seems to be able to produce a burst of speed that allows him to travel supersonic. At least Mach 1.2, the low-end speed of supersonic objects.
Also, if the speed Pit can travel is 100 m/s, and if he roughly traveled to the Lunar Sanctum in 32 seconds, then the distance is 3,200 meters (3.2 km.). Pit dodges a laser around that distance, which means his reaction time is 10.67 microseconds. Well, let's do something. 1 meter divided by 3,200 meters is 3.125%. Multiply that by 299,792,458 m/s (the speed of light) and Pit will be able to react to speeds of 9,368,514.31 m/s from anyone within a meter. In other words, no one should be able to hit Pit, except those who can move at light speed.
Don’t bring up this extrapolating nonsense, Miracle activates more than half the time which is enough and Counter scales with the force of the enemy’s attack. Walls give way, Counter doesn’t.
Are you sure that feat wasn’t an outlier or done for comedic affect?
It’s not effective because it puts them in danger. Melee range is typically the most dangerous range to be in.Because it's effective.
That won't
Because it's supposed to lock onto things.
Point?
Because there would be no game. The player would lose instantly.
Meanwhile, Mega Man has already done said time stopping while Shulk was having the vision.
The goal is to kill the opponent by any means necessary.
Not if Mega Man follows them.
I believe it's in one of the movies.
Explain to me how Shulk will dodge Sonic's attacks.
Do you have a video of Shulk surviving it?
What protective power does the Monado have? Mega Man's weapons can destroy robots, which are made of metal.
I saw no proof.
And Chaos is called a "god of destruction".
How is asking for durability feats a no limits fallacy?
Prove the force of the Monado's attacks, then.
How is this link relevant?
When has Shulk demonstrated the latter?
Oh, sorry. Would you mind condensing that a bit? There's a lot to take in.
When did I say that?
What feats of durability have they demonstrated?
No, precognition is knowing when to dodge; dodging ability is the ability to actually do the physical dodging. I could be tied to a chair and be told that I would be shot in the head (precognition), but I'm tied to a chair, so I cannot dodge it.
Ah. Those rely on the Talent Gauge, no?
Does it not block only one attack normally?
Singleplayer can be bypassed by playing the entire game with multiple players.
Lore is proof.
Around ten yards, IIRC.
Then how did Shulk have visions throughout the game?
Why would he be against anything related to gods, yet keep the Monado? If he was smart about these things, he wouldn't abandon his own godship.
Why would he give up the best thing that ever happened to him, that being becoming a god?
Shulk parries the robot with his sword. The sword has godly power. It would seem that the sword possesses the strength here.
"Ally" is defined here as a sentient being that can operate separately from the main character in a meaningful way. The wisps are only useful when Sonic combines with them, so they are items, not allies.
No, he's not. If he was, Shulk would not get to use the Monado.
When has he been shown to disable mystical gems? That's the Master Emerald's job.
Did he use his "omnipotence" to do this?
I saw a link to a video of a robot swinging a large sword at another robot. How does this relate to the Power Bomb?
And not what she's doing.
We'll have to see. I hope it does well, it looks like a really cool game. :/
I somewhat doubt that.
What good will this do?
It also shows wildly different properties from matter and energy in other universes.
Prove how much force it possesses, then.
- This never happened in other universes. Prove that the Monado can transform matter into ether.
- Prove that other universes possess ether. Keep in mind that it is not simply "matter and energy", by the way. You'll need the specific properties to be paralleled to prove anything.
I'm working with Trick Room increasing the speed of the user or decreasing the speed of the target so that the user can exceed an opponent 9x faster than them, as to not extrapolate. Both will have the same effect. I'm interpreting the "high priority moves ignore the swap" deal as fighters with fast enough moves can move quickly enough to still be faster than the user of Trick Room, even when slowed down. (If that makes sense.
Doesn’t matter. When Sonic gets ensnared in Trick Room he will never get out of it alive. He might even die of suffocation because his lungs and heart are slowed down too.
Japanese prewar building for top tier. /sarcasm
Nice space link Munoboy.
Don’t you mean turn their weapons into Tuna (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...1/019.png/revision/latest?cb=20130205053152)? You left yourself open for that one!
There are only three instances of spiritual matters in Xenoblade. The first one is the heart to heart in Ose tower where Riki claims to sense the ghosts of Shulk’s parents. The second is when Dickson implies that Melia and Kallian will be lovers in the next life after Zanza resets the universe. The third involves Melia, Riki, and Kallian after beating Ms. “You’ll pay for your insolence”.
Yes, you could say ether was magic in Xenoblade. Ether in the other Xeno games was a substitute for magic and served as a catch-all term for special abilities like Chi, Nanomachines, and drawing power from a higher dimension via Zohar.
That is why you should ignore the ruling.
You better stay away from Xenoblade’s two older sister video game franchises Xenogears, and Xenosaga! There are all sorts of technobabble explanations in Xenogears perfect works (book) and you can’t throw a rock without hitting an acronym in Xenosaga or its associated tombs.
Munomario777
, DjinnandTonic, @
monzer
Should we ban using video game lasers or lighting for the purposes of reaction feats?
: 60 wins. Excellent strength and reflexes combine well with combat precognition. Monado Arts provide a tool for nearly every situation. Wearing a Mechon armor set all but nullifies any physical attacks that come his way. The Monado III is obscenely powerful with an extremely high critical hit rate (75% base) and can cut through and harm pretty much any being or armor. His assorted skills (native and linked) cover his weaknesses and boost his strengths. His assorted ether gems let him ignore status effects, add bonus effects to the Monado and improve his durability and healing.: 60 wins. Can use all the same weapons as Pit and can use even more powers. Her divinity gives her a substantial durability advantage and her peerless knowledge gives her even better Intel than Samus. She can fly via levitation.: 56 wins. Her Power suit’s array of powerful futuristic weaponry and assorted abilities let her crush most of the cast outright. Her visor’s assorted vision modes and scanning capabilities will allow to spot invisible enemies and give her important Intel. She even has her Gunship which will let her give chase in air battles.: 53 wins. This bat wielding kid has a ridiculous amount of strength and durability. His PSI powers allow him to inflict great damage, inflict myriad statuses including instant KO, heal himself, put up barriers that reflect attacks as well as teleport.: 52 wins. An inferior version of Ness, but he still retains most of the dangerous abilities that Ness has.: 52 wins. If birthed by female Robin she will have access to everything she has plus her Lord class tree and will have a slight statistical edge over her too.: 51 wins. An excellent selection of equipment and magic including the Nayru’s love and Chateau Romani combo let him outlast most other combatants.: 51 wins. The Arwing lets him waste the roster./: 51 wins. An assortment of classes grants him access to a multitude of weapon types and skills for the job allowing him/her to best even Ike. He/She can also ride a variety of mounts including flyers. Some classes are restricted by gender.: 50 wins. Replace the Arwing with the Wolfen II for similar results.: 49 wins. Psychic powers of this level are very difficult to fight against.: 49 wins. Same as fox.: 49 wins. Has a durable body and excellent weapon selection. His time altering moves will decide most matches but his programmed leniency to humans might cost him a few.: 47 wins. The immunity to most attacks and powerful combat puts him high but he is brought down by the number of god-slayers and divine/holy weapon wielders on the roster.: 47 wins. His arsenal of modern weapons, gear and CQC techniques will aid him immensely. Few members of the cast will be able to counter his cloaking device.: 45 wins. His greater strength and his sword Ragnell put him above Marth and Roy. His skills can also cause all sorts of grief.: 44 wins. Weapon variety and some powers let move towards the top of the pack.: 43 wins. Nearly the same as Pit: 42 wins. Her shield, army of Lumas and assorted powers put her towards the top of the pack.: 41 wins. His speed is something to be feared but his cocky attitude and crap durability without rings will cost him some matches.: 41 wins. A less broken version of young Link.: 41 wins. A less broken version of young Link.: 38 wins. Statistically on par with Marth who uses the Sword of Seals that improves his defense and permits exploding blows at a distance but can only be used twenty times before breaking.: 36 wins. Superhuman swordsman whose Falchion negates melee strikes, he lacks effective ranged attacks though. (No Sphere abuse considered): 36 wins. Putting her enemies to sleep and bombing them into submission is a viable strategy against most of the cast. Power-ups don’t hurt either.: 35 wins. Has versatility with F.L.U.D.D. and power-ups.: 34 wins. Same as Mario, replace F.L.U.D.D. with Poltergust.: 33 wins. His sturdiness, strength, size and vehicles go a long way.: 33 wins. Can make roadkill out of half the cast, but can’t do anything to fliers. The Blue Falcon is going to run out of gas sooner or later.: 32 wins. Samus is far weaker without her power suit, but she can still win with her Paralyzer and superhuman attributes.: 30 wins. The balanced team of Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Pikachu, Lapras, and Snorlax gives him plenty of options. It is going to be hard taking on as many as six Pokemon at a time.: 28 wins. His assortment of abilities, and invincibility candy are great, buy his small stature and iffy handling of the warp star near the ground cause him to lose a lot of ground.: 26 wins. Deku nuts are dangerous weapons.: 26 wins. High speed and good stats combined with Protean makes for a good Pokemon.: 24 wins. His skill with Galaxia and its powers compensates for his pathetic size disadvantage.: 24 wins. His fire attacks, size, and flight are pretty decent strengths.: 24 wins. One of the stronger Pokemon. Aura Sphere helps against speedsters.: 23 wins. His speed and electric attacks can only go so far. : 23 wins. Inferior to his dad due to his much smaller size.: 23 wins. His power-up selection is anemic compared to the Mario Bros (where is invincibility?), and strength only goes so far by itself.: 22 wins. His great strength has only limited use and his gadgets are inferior to the real things.: 21 wins. Projectiles are important.: 18 wins. Poor power-up selection and limited ammo are only mitigated due to the danger his tongue presents to smaller, slower fighters.: 17 wins. She has some skill with medieval weapons, but her rate of fire with the bow is terrible.: 17 wins. He has only a few good moves and power-ups.: 16 wins. His martial arts and Hadokens will let him win in close and medium range but will lose to any equally skilled weapon user.: 15 wins. His limited flight won’t offset his lower strength and weaker gun compared to Donkey Kong.: 13 wins. His 2D form lets him dodge most projectiles with ease, but his lack of good projectiles himself and his vulnerability to most melee strikes knocks him down a couple of pegs.: 13 wins. Self explanatory.: 11 wins. He may be able to hurt you badly with his hammer, but his short size reduces his reach.: 11 wins. Their lack of combat experience and durability brings them down but their hammers are no joke and there are two of them to compensate.: 10 wins. Boxing only takes you so far here./: 9 wins. An axe and slingshot can have some effect here.: 8 wins. Self explanatory./: 6 wins. Being in shape has limits in this setting.: 6 wins. Its small size and weak stats let its electrical powers down.: 4 wins. Requires time to put enemies to sleep and lacks a good follow up.: 3 wins. Just an average doctor with no real combat power.: 3 wins. Some fighters here are so pathetic they can be taken out by a mere dog.: 1 win. Him and his Pikmin’s lack of size is a fatal weakness.: 0 wins. Being an inanimate object makes him a punching bag for everyone else.: “This party’s over!” Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered or blasted.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: “Tell me. How does it feel to be such a pathetic hero?” Gets skewered eventually.: “Just die!” Gets skewered three days later.: Gets skewered eventually.: loses a war of attrition, but Ganondorf will need a lot of painkillers.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered or blasted eventually. “Did you really expect to beat me?!”: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: “This fly infestation is beginning to bug me!” Gets skewered.: Gets blasted.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered./: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered or blasted.: Gets skewered or blasted.: Gets skewered or blasted.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered X7.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered or blasted.: Gets skewered. “Weak! Weak and pathetic!”: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered. “Looks like he’s had his wings clipped!”: Gets skewered.: Gets crippled by a combo of the power of weak point exposure and assorted powers knocking out his cannon and flight device. Gets done in by attrition. “No! No! Not like this!”: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered X2. Weak! They’re all so weak!: Gets blasted.: “What’s that? The poor insects are a little confused?” Gets blasted X101.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered X2./: Gets skewered./: Gets skewered.: Gets owned badly. “Too much… The Monado is too much!”: Gets skewered.: “Let’s settle this, machine to machine!” Gets skewered.: Gets skewered. “That it, Grandpa?!”: Gets skewered. “Too slow! You’ll never stop me now!”: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.: Gets skewered.
Then don't extrapolate.
You have yet to prove that Counter will never fail.
Unless you move at such high speeds that it's practically impossible for the opponent to land a counter attack.
Whoops, realized I left off a bit of that sentence. Add "help him avoid the Blue Falcon" to the end of that.
Does Shulk not have a heat signature?
IIRC, the combatants start a bit further away than that.
He performs it in... I think Twilight Princess someone said?
Or he just processes them that quickly.
Oh really?
Which would be accomplished by killing them.
Point is, the "edge of the screen" deal is proved as a game mechanic when Mega Man follows the projectile, preventing it from despawning.
Sadly, as I didn't originally find this, I don't know of a video that documents it. :/
What is? (It would be helpful if you put your responses inside the quotes by ending them, posting your reply, and then continuing them, to avoid confusion and all.)
Prove that it can withstand that amount of force.
Prove the attack's force.
What has it withstood?
I saw speculation based on the size of the blade, not proof based on actual calculations.
Okay, let me know when King Kong absorbs the negative energies of the second most powerful power source in his respective universe (and resided in the most powerful power source for many years).
Ah. So prove that the Monado's attacks exceed those of deities in power, and specify how much so.
Defense is irrelevant to offense.
I fail to see how Link is stronger than Ganon.
Which attacks?
The part of your post that you're referring to wasn't directed at me. Show me what I need to see, and I'll read/watch it.
When?
Show me what I need to see, and I will read/watch it.
He's "restrained" by being too slow to dodge the attack.
I could be told to run faster than a car to avoid it, but I won't be physically able to.
Does it not run out?
I'll use the one that happens more than once. It's not a gameplay mechanic; it's Monado Shield.
Point?
No, I think I replied to the right thing.
Ah. How much force does this output?
Except, this is before the new universe was created, no?
Well, it's just that - a guess. I'd like proof.
I'm all for a fully functioning Monado, giving it the ability to use arts, manipulate ether, etc. However, there is no ether here for it to manipulate, and no Alvis to help Shulk reshape the universe.
Since they became magical.
So, this would count against Shulk then?
Yes.
Why is that?
And how does that mean that he shares the specific ability to disable seven specific gems?
I dunno, with a sword? Infused with godly power?
Prove that Monado III = omnipotence.
Prove the swing's force.
You can tell that she's doing something that involves moving her leg. That's rather vague, isn't it?
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Ah. I think he could.
Because I accept those as slow-moving objects. They move slowly, and don't share the same properties as high-speed cannonballs in real life as a result. The same thing applies to ether and other universes' building blocks.
Well, I'm afraid that you lack proof.
Priority essentially means the speed of an attack, from what I can gather.
I'm using an example that someone provided.
I'm giving Sonic the win because Sonic is simply too fast for Trick Room to activate (and Trick Room is too slow to activate against many moves), and even if it did, there's no evidence that it would work well against Sonic.
If his internal organs are frozen, so are the parts of his body that need blood and oxygen.
Pretty insane eh?
We already have a rule that says that objects move at the speeds shown unless otherwise specified (so lasers don't necessarily move at the speed IRL lasers do).@Dryn, @Nerdicon, @
lolwut
Done for comedic effect, yes, but that doesn't change that fact that he did it. It being an outlier, no, many of the villains in Kirby are reality warpers or have control of the universe, and Kirby and the other characters can still do significant damage to them.
Wait, counter works like like that in awakening. Excuse me while I go second seal Vaike and Robin to warrior.
Any reason I shouldn't?
In a world pervaded with ether.
No. I'm not sure how ether would work against others. The properties aren't clearly stated.
Probably not. I actually erred in my last calculation. I didn't consider all four mandibles. So it'd be much higher. Again, this is under the assumption that these mandibles have the same density as steel, which I have no reason to think is the case, unless it was a Mechon.
It can wipe out a small city. Again, that's only half a kiloton. Samus' power bomb produces 3.01 kilotons.
I know. I'm not even contesting that. I don't know of anyone on the roster who would be able to withstand the amount of temperature the Monado could generate. It'll likely defeat unshielded opponents.
This wouldn't be outside of what Samus normally deals with. According to the Metroid: Zero Mission manual, p. 7, "If the Space Pirates were able to breed the Metroids and use the creatures as biological weapons, the destruction of all galactic civilization would be near certain." The Metroid II: Return of Samus manual, p. 5, states, "Even one living Metroid could easily wipe out an entire planetary civilization."
I'm sure I would. Even if we agreed that midi-chlorians were in the battlefield, it wouldn't mean the opponent would be made of midi-chlorians or even have those for the force to even work on him/her.
I suspect that's what those things are supposed to be. In Metroid Prime, Samus dealt with space pirates who can generate shock waves, which Samus can jump over. In hyper-mode difficulty, Quadraxis is a pain in the butt. Destroying the legs with the lightblast (light beam when charged) really helps, though. This is because Quadraxis was possessed by the Ing, so Quadraxis ended up having the vulnerability of light energy.
If that's the case, then it's possible that Link and Zelda can be defeated by Shulk. Both are Hylians. "With their magic infused blood, the Hylian people were endowed with psychic powers and skill in wizardry." (ALttP manual, p. 4) Since the property of ether is both material and immaterial, considering that the Monado is supposed to be divine itself, it should be able to affect Link and Zelda, since the goddesses would have had to endowed the Hylians with magic-infused blood. Whether or not that's true for Gerudos, I can't say.
I think we should because it's things like this will occur throughout fictional universes. It won't be so much of a question of whether or not lasers or lightning actually travel at the proper speed in game play as it will be a question of whether or not it's an outlier.@Dryn, @Nerdicon, @
Since lazers have apeared in almost every video game, sometimes moving very slowly, no.@Dryn, @Nerdicon, @