No, lore says that Hypernova uses suction. Black holes do not use suction.
The stomach is a black hole, so it would be different.
Kirby's stomach isn't a black hole; it relies on suction, and when we see inside his stomach, there's no signs of spaghettification.
Actually, the Schwarz' black hole is quite powerful anyways.
Not anywhere near the level of an actual black hole. It's a glorified bottomless pit.
Lore also says that Hypernova is a black hole. Directly stating something > indirectly stating something.
Black holes don't rely on suction.
Baton Kirby uses energy, but that doesn't mean he has to charge it.
The explosion has more energy, so it requires charging of said energy.
So in every playthrough that has ever been played of this game, Kirby always hits Marx in the wings? Even then, it would only be for one of the wings; both of them spread.
It's energy, and it struck Kirby and launched him up. Therefore, the explosion can do damage.
A cannon doesn't damage its cannonball, and yet it launches it up into the air.
You would have to find something that uses both my reasons for a valid counterargument.
Why can I not have two counterarguments for your two arguments?
You're saying that because Kirby can inhale the electrical energy in his games, then he can inhale Samus's much more powerful blast. It's extrapolation.
Only if the electricity actually hits you.
Electricity is attracted to skin; in close proximity, it'll jump right to the skin. The same principle applies here.
Kirby's wind has affected electricity notably in the games.
Do you have a video of this?
He creates tornadoes of different sizes in the games and the anime.
Show me the game examples.
Proof that Kirby's attack launched Marx?
Yes, but more specifically, a counter to my argument that Kirby did not launch Marx Soul.
What stopped Marx from flying down to contradict the upwards force?
If he's flying downwards, he's going towards the ground; but here, he's staying in the air.
They can, but you don't really have enough proof saying that Olimar did.
And you have no proof that he told the truth.
Oh, I thought you were referring to the spinning attack. He's in the background during most of it, so he's safe from Kirby.
Because the EX bosses are meant to be more powerful, and therefore use their strongest and planetary atatcks, and they use the same attacks as the regular bosses.
Prove that they use their strongest attacks. "More powerful" =/= "most powerful".
If his health bar was being used, but otherwise no.
Kirby's durability represented by his health bar, even if we're not actually using the health bar.
Also, Kirby has multiple methods of countering the needle.
Yes, but that's not my point; my point is that it takes few hits (depending on their power) to destroy him.
The rule happens at the same moment the move comes out, so the rule is a result of the move.
Yes, but the rule is not in effect in these battles.
I figured you'd say that. Mega Mewtwo is about nine times faster than the Slowpoke, so we can deduce that Magic Room speeds up the user by about nine times their regular speed.
It enables the user to evade all attacks. Its chance of failing rises if it is used in succession.
Nothing about the specific moves in there.
Also, I'm not saying that Protect is the only thing that can block those moves; I'm saying that things with effects that block those moves can block those moves.
Do these effects include invincibility?
That's a different game, and a different attack.
Because of the time limit of Magic, not behavior.
So we apply Magic's time limit here, then.
So Kirby justs needs to puff up multiple times.
That's only adding upwards momentum. It doesn't negate horizontal knockback. Unless you can provide an example of Kirby getting launched a far distance by an enemy attack, and then another example of that same attack hitting Kirby and Kirby puffing up to negate the knockback, I can't reach that conclusion.
Then what are you trying to say?
Unless you are completely different from all other lifeforms.
Prove that Kirby is different.
Yeah, I was saying that they were both guns to support my point.
And the analogy is still intact; both are guns in the analogy, and both are attacks in the case of the bosses.
Impact: the action of one object coming forcibly into contact with another.
Yes, it's forced by the sun emitting rays.
A) He doesn't need to protect all angles, because he isn't in all angles. He only has to worry about the fireballs that actually might hit him.
B) So Kirby doesn't need to raise his arm.
C) Okay.
A) Which would be surrounding him at this point.
B) He'd need to wait for the Copy Ability to take effect.
A) Point? The boxer isn't stunned.
B) Actually, it doesn't.
A) He's flinching, which is very similar (and very similar to what Kirby experiences).
B) Don't you have to charge it in that game?
A) Give a video of that, or according to you, it's unusable.
B) You don't have a video of that either.
A)
Okay.
B) I could probably find a video of this, but I don't think I need to. Boosting while using the Spin Attack shouldn't be necessary when Sonic is already packing 45212697.67 pounds of force with just ramming into opponents.
I have fun while playing Smash Brothers, but it doesn't hamper my abilities.
The lore says that mountains will fall, but the mountain in the gameplay didn't fall.
I seem to remember the front half of the volcano that was mentioned way back when sliding down, or falling.
Whoops, my words got strange there.
Kirby is chopping, say, Bowser's right arm off, correct? While he's busy doing that, Bowser's left fist can punch him since Kirby is focused on the right arm.
It's also visually the same as the other attacks, which don't involve charging and thus don't move at Mach 5.
Every time in the games where he's hurt, he takes damage.
I'd imagine that tumbling out of the spaceship like he does at the beginning of the game would hurt a bit.
It's not being used to see the island, it's being used to make it clearer. The island can already be seen.
And this is relevant because...?
It should be fast enough.
Mario is shooting Kirby with a projectile bigger than he is at point blank range. The fireball will reach Kirby in far less than a second, likely less than even half of one. Kirby's flight just seems far too slow to dodge the fireball itself, let alone the large shockwave it creates when it hits something.
Except he'd be flying over the fireball.
Except he's still hit by the shockwave.
Yes, because he can destroy energy attacks.
Not ones that turn anything they touch into gold.
That question's about as good as me saying, "Can Mario attack a pink puffball that can inhale things?"
Kirby doesn't turn anything that tries to attack him into gold; he doesn't have any properties that would get in the way of Mario attacking him. The Gold Flower has projectiles that turn things into gold upon contact, so if Kirby tries to punch it, he'll get turned into gold.
Kirby can fly much higher.
Not nearly quick enough.
In pretty much every game he's been in.
Do you have video of this?
There's evidence that Popstar's gravity is the same as Earth's.
Which is?
He can switch what form he goes into, so if he doesn't get the one he wants, he can try again.
Meanwhile, the fireball hits him while he's shuffling through his forms.
The same thing would happen if he jumped into the side of the hat. It doesn't fall into his head then.
Because of a game mechanic. It's the same reason Sonic can eat food while curled into a ball (where his mouth isn't very accessible) in Smash Brothers.
Everyone seems to jump into the hat, which is understandable. Sadly, this means that I cannot find a video of anyone doing it on the ground. It does happen, though.
If you throw a hammer at someone's head, I can guarantee that it'll do some major damage.
What's that equivalent to?
Quite a bit over 45212697.67 pounds of force (that's the pound force equivalent of 61,300,187 joules).
I didn't say they'd OHKO him, I said that two attacks would KO him.
It'll take three hits, actually, and Mario's foot won't be stopped.
Though, Kirby is on a planetary level, so logic says he would be able to OHKO Mario.
When does Kirby destroy a planet?
Fruits aren't recognized to be the same to everything, so no.
And neither are Mega Stones.
Since we don't see the insides of a Pokemon, we can use the insides of any living creature (as a lot of Pokemon resemble creatures alive in the real world).
In the real world, muscles store energy separately. This is most likely an exaggerated example of that principle.
Then where are you getting the "bonus" part from?
Depends mainly on the distance of the car away from me when it starts.
Yes, that would add to the speed, which would determine the force.
It accelerated at the speed of light.
The speed of light isn't an acceleration; it's, well, a speed. A measurement of acceleration would be, say, 1/5 of the speed of light per second.
The flash of light was, but the bolt wasn't at Kirby's position.
He can jump over tiny Sonic.
Except he's spinning on his Warp Star, busy inhaling.
Alright. Still, turning into Super Sonic will give Kirby the chance to start Inhale.
And Kirby inhaling gives Sonic the chance to freeze time or simply go behind Kirby.
It doesn't exactly need to be proven if it's a statement from the game.
It's not a statement from the game; it's a statement from Olimar.
Because he needs to take it back to Hocotate.
So using the knife will destroy it?
Most things in Mario use normal gravity.
Explain the platforms, coins, and brick blocks here then. Not to mention that the Star Bits are from Super Mario Galaxy, which introduces a whole new mess of nonsensical gravity.
When the Star Bits don't pass through the nets.
Then they're compressed liquid.
My hand has the ability to punch and slap, but it can't do those things at the same time.
Your hand can't slap and punch at the same time because one involves it being a fist, whereas the other involves your hand being open. The wand doesn't have to be in two different states to create a force field and allow Rosalina to teleport.
She needs
A) a lot of Star Bits
B) a Luma
C) galaxies that actually put black holes where her opponents are
She has all of those.
She's skinny, so she could always bend.
I wonder how Kirby would manage to do that.
Regardless, Kirby can inhale the Lumas, her wand, and her Star Bits and leave her with nothing left.
Except there are many Lumas firing many Star Bits and creating many galaxies containing many black holes. Strength in numbers.
A) Fire Kirby can go anywhere, and he can create fire wherever he goes. Can he create fire anywhere he wants?
B) Which is enough time for Kirby to attack. That also isn't including the lag where the Lumas eats the Star Bits.
A) If he truly can go anywhere, then yes (given he actually goes there first).
B) He can only attack so many Lumas during that time, though. He won't get to them all in time (especially if Rosalina uses some force fields).
That's not nearly far enough to escape a black hole's AOE.
Can it block attacks that create craters, such as Jet Kirby's blast?
How large are the craters?
Let's see here.
- Lumas can't turn into black holes.
- Kirby can escape powerful black holes.
- Kirby wouldn't let the Luma do that.
- Rosalina would be dead by then.
- The Luma would suck up Rosalina before she sucked up Kirby.
- Jet Kirby's too fast for the Luma.
- The Luma would be sucked into the black hole that Rosalina's about to go into.
- They can by turning into galaxies that contain them.
- When does he escape a black hole with his amount of suction power?
- There are too many Lumas for Kirby to stop in time.
- How would that happen?
- Unless Rosalina planned carefully and kept her distance. Even if it did, Rosalina & Luma still win, because the Lumas are still alive.
- Once he tries to attack, he's done for.
- Why would it get sucked in?
It doesn't prove that Rosalina can use them wherever she wants them.
The Lumas can go anywhere on the battlefield.
Whenever time is frozen, Sonic doesn't move anything unless he hits it hard.
Why exactly could he not move something?
Because he's running, trying to take the sword, or freezing time.
After which he commences attacking.
Marth has ways to resist.
Which are?
They only occur every turn.
I don't actually remember what I was saying.
Okay, then.
That didn't happen the last time Sonic was attacked with dark influences.
Because the Chaos Emeralds had lost their energy.
Not farther than the Geosphere.
He could use an invincibility power-up.
Yet, it doesn't make sense for him to use a battle cry at that point, when he didn't see anything related to the situation.
He saw the earth, which was being split apart.
Yes.
How powerful are said deities?
They're stated to contain "ultimate power" (the Chaos Emeralds, that is). Their origins aren't known for sure, but since the Master Emerald was created by the gods (the creators of Sonic's world), then it seems that they created the Chaos Emeralds as well.
Quite.
I said, "exactly". A bomb is a powerful force, but it does not corrupt (at least, not in this sense of the word).
Whoops! I meant powerful lasers.
Most of those items aren't attacks, they give Mario attacks.
And?
The Eight Melodies put him on a level higher than that of Sonic's, so his attacks would be able to defeat him easily.
Level systems are irrelevant here. Prove why, in a level-system-free environment (although still with the force, attack power, buffs, etc they present), Ness would defeat Sonic, who can freeze time and speedblitz Ness before he could begin to blink.
No specific place. The enemies use their attacks all throughout the video.
I don't see them destroying cities.
I was bringing up things with the same force of destruction as the FE attacks, and matching the amount of joules together.
Prove that they're the same.
A) But not the computer.
B) Not lore about the transformation, but lore about the power.
A) The monitor is part of the computer.
B) We're discussing the power here.
Then Marth is dead, because the damage caused by Sonic kills him.
Prove this.
By using an attack during the time freezing. For instance, the boost.
HP and PP aren't things you can collect and add to a character, while Rings and items in Pokemon are.
You can collect potions, which add PP/HP. The method of obtaining them is irrelevant.
Only the animals attached to them.
Do you have a source for this?
It's turn-based, and attack speed is determined by the Speed stat. It doesn't vary with each attack.
Who said that he had a strong grip?
It's only logical that that's how he'd be able to hold an item.
They don't destroy the universe because they aren't used to,
If they pack enough force to destroy the universe, then the application is irrelevant; it's still hitting (part of) the universe.
and they don't OHKO the target because the target is on a similar level.
This is circular reasoning.
Ah.
and it doesn't make any sense.
Why is it nonsensical?
The Super Sonic Boost is, and uses the Emeralds' energy.
He can't. Invincibility is one of his abilities (and we use abilities), and it's his best situation (we use best situations), so he can get it here.
We also use weaknesses. Being able to be hit is a weakness. Advantages to the character are irrelevant. In the case of a contradiction, we go with the more common example.
You said that Wario's invincibility should be disregarded because it's an outlier. I proved that being an outlier doesn't mean things should be disregarded.
Sending out armies =/= choosing a reliable source.
Mega Man can use the Mega Buster and destroy the Magic Armor.
Prove that it would destroy the Magic Armor.
The Kongs just have to hit Bowser once to defeat him.
Why is that?
MK's sword is holy, so he can defeat Ganondorf.
If he could actually get a hit in before Ganondorf decimates him. Remember, it takes multiple hits with even the Master Sword to defeat Ganondorf.
In response to what @
Dryn brought up about MO, I'll say that Rosalina doesn't use her wand or Lumas for battle, so she can't use them here if we use behavior traits.
Rosalina uses the wand and Lumas to create force fields, teleport, make black holes, etc, so he can do so here. Shulk never blinks anyone out of existence, so he wouldn't here.
Shulk survived an attack that wiped existence,
Which one? How much force does it pack?
and has defeated enemies with sizes comparable to Giga Bowser.
Are they exactly the same?
Shulk doesn't have to react. He can just survive the hits.
Prove that he can survive a vehicle moving at that velocity.
Monado with universal power > vehicle with lasers and bombs
If it had universal power, it would OHKO any target (which it doesn't).
It could go either way.
Shulk cuts Kirby in half.
That's a strong possibility.
Except Magic Armor.
Prove its durability.
Plus, Mega Mushroom doesn't prevent them from getting cut in half.
It protects them from both physical and energy attacks.
Marth can't hurt Shulk either due to Mechon Armor.
Shulk definitely has the edge here.
Stopping time has its limits.
They can be worked around, however.
Plus, Shulk's attacks are strong enough to destroy Mega Man no matter where he is.
Power =/= range.
He can fly.
His Monado can slay gods.
This doesn't guarantee a win.
Monado > any of Pit's weapons. Plus, Shulk can slay gods much stronger than anyone Pit has slayed.
It could go either way.
Universe busting attack. /battle
Which Shulk never uses.
Shulk's survived stronger.
Prove it.
Sonic reaches Shulk in under .00 seconds. Shulk wouldn't even be able to watch his full vision, let alone dodge the attack or activate his sword.
Magic Armor is much too weak.
Prove it.
Munomario777
stated that we're taking the most powerful incarnation of each character. This version of Shulk is the most powerful and blinkstomps the entire cast with ease.
(Giant Bowser crushes Shulk in one hit, and visions won't help if he can't get out of the way in time)
