Hallowed Storm
Smash Journeyman
In the current Whobby 2008 event happening in Japan, has anything happened with Ike's speed? If you hear that he has become faster, has less lag, or anything such as that, please post it here.
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Ike is definitely a heavy character
His come back move is side+b only you land on your back when using it (??)
Holding side and b will allow you to move a lot more(faster maybe?)
High attack power, sends enemies flying pretty easily, attacks are a little slow, long reach.
Opponents were MetaKnight and Wario, had faught them without any issue (i assume hes referring to balance)
When being ganged up on, seems like it's tough to do a downwards air strike seems like your armor goes up if you are in the air
Couldn't execute his trump card (final smash??)
No loading?
He got first place
Character impressions:
Ike:
Very Very Very Very slow, but much more powerfull than everyone, he kills at 90-100 when others kill in the 150s
Neutral B works the same as marth and roy, but more powerfull and the animation is diffrent.
His aerials come out very slowly, you'll have to start them very early to hit.
his up B is very fast, but it's crap as a recovery move, cause it's not that high, and barely movers horizontially. If you hit with it it'll drag your opponent down with you.
his smashes and Tilts are freakishly powerfull.
his Forward B is a fast forward moving move, much like fox. and it's a great help in recovering.
1.no, all of his lag derived from actual animations, but the power was worth it. he's a monster.Thanks for answering these questions ITP. If you don't mind, could you please answer these Ike questions?
1. When playing as Ike, did you feel as though he suffered from invisible lag (as in, did he lag before he started his start up animations)?
2. What are Ike's fastest moves?
2.I'd say all of his B moves basically, and maybe his Bair? I don't remember it much. the Fair is horrible though(in terms of speed), starts out slower than peach's!
I think that they are referring to charging that attack up. "Moving a lot more" could be faster, or farther.Holding side and b will allow you to move a lot more(faster maybe?)
At least the invisible lag thing is done and buried as a glitch in the old demo. And if he's Ganon speed with a Marth range, its just inconvienent instead of outright bad.Looks like the rumor is false. Sorry Ike fans, atleast he's still a beast.
I haven't really been keeping up with the main thread where this info came from but doesn't Ike's Side B require him to charge it to become more powerful?So the speed buff was false...but no more invisi-lag? That still puts Ike as much better than he was at E for All, great news.
And it looks like his recovery doesn't totally suck anymore if people are saying the Side B works well. Also...35% on Kirby/MK with the Side B?! Geez. I'm a happy guy, overall.
I was under the impression that Ike's walking/running speed was pretty good. The main problem was how slow and laggy his moves were. Also I'm not surprised Ike is getting positive feedback because the majority of matches taking place at the event are FFA's, which is going to work towards Ike's advantage because people aren't paying attention to him the entire time with everything going on.I'm actually really good at timing Bowser's smashes, so slow attacks should be no problem for me. It's his walking and running speed I'm worried about...>_> For some reason I play much better with characters that can run fast.
Ikecides ?I.T.P said:his up B is very fast, but it's crap as a recovery move, cause it's not that high, and barely movers horizontially. If you hit with it it'll drag your opponent down with you.
brute strength is not ftw.. look at melee bowser...plus suicide spikes will be nice if you have a stock advantage.
hmm well even if he didn't get a speed buff I think it's justified in his power. Brute strength ftw!
Well, he kinda did get a speed buff. No more invisi-lag = faster attacks.plus suicide spikes will be nice if you have a stock advantage.
hmm well even if he didn't get a speed buff I think it's justified in his power. Brute strength ftw!
look at Gimpyfish.brute strength is not ftw.. look at melee bowser...
Name another.look at Gimpyfish.
Do you mean after E4All? People found out how slow and disappointing overall Ike was there, the 'buff' obviously took place in Japanese gaming events.i have no idea, but i hope there was a buff from e4all
my bro's actually getting pretty decent with bowser... but thats not the point the point is heavy chracters=pwnage in the right hands. thats how I think Ike will be, he won't be a band wagon character like Marth, Fox or in brawls case Sonic and Metaknight, that are easy to use cus they are fast.Name another.
Now list people who use Fox, Falco, or Marth.
That is exactly what I feel Ike is. He is just so monstrously powerful that carelessly running at him would be suicide. I just wish Sakurai based him more on his actual Fire Emblem counterpart, where he was strong and fast.In Melee, Bowser wasn't strong enough to make up for the lack of speed, but Ike makes Bowser look like a featherweight when it comes to strength/power, so maybe he has SO MUCH strength that it just completely destroys the need for speed. Yes, I believe there is a point where that can happen, especially with Super Armor now running rampant. So we'll just have to see if he reaches it.
Speed or Power, one or the other, you can't have both or Ike would be broken. And Ike definitely feels morel like a power-based unit than speed, even though he had both in his games.That is exactly what I feel Ike is. He is just so monstrously powerful that carelessly running at him would be suicide. I just wish Sakurai based him more on his actual Fire Emblem counterpart, where he was strong and fast.
Ike is my favorite character. He always has been (since I played PoR) THAT is why I use him. When I said look at gimpyfish I never said he won tournaments, I was simply implying that he is good with a slow character. I don't really give a crap about winning tourmaents, I don't even go to them. I play smash for fun. and the word "absolute" really can't apply to character effectivness.Just to inform you people using Gimpyfish as an alibi, Gimpyfish doesn't win tournaments with Bowser. He uses Bowser because that's his favorite videogame character in general, not for the sake of winning or being unique. Because Bowser is slow doesn't that their character potentials are absolute.
Why can't the word absolute be used? I'm simply saying that a characters potential isn't guaranteed to be as effective as another character because they share small similarities. That wasn't directed towards just you, it was towards everyone who has used this excuse before.Ike is my favorite character. He always has been (since I played PoR) THAT is why I use him. When I said look at gimpyfish I never said he won tournaments, I was simply implying that he is good with a slow character. I don't really give a crap about winning tourmaents, I don't even go to them. I play smash for fun. and the word "absolute" really can't apply to character effectivness.
FOX! Fawwwwwwwwks!!! Captain Falcon! FALCO!Speed or Power, one or the other, you can't have both or Ike would be broken. And Ike definitely feels morel like a power-based unit than speed, even though he had both in his games.
Because, for every attack there is a counter attack. Who wins is based on who plays the smartest, not whoever uses the "better" character. In other words there is no absolute style, or no absolute winner everything is subject to change depending on circumstances and personal choices.Why can't the word absolute be used?
oh ok... sorry I took it personally, my bad.That wasn't directed towards just you, it was towards everyone who has used this excuse before.
Because, for every attack there is a counter attack. Who wins is based on who plays the smartest, not whoever uses the "better" character. In other words there is no absolute style, or no absolute winner everything is subject to change depending on circumstances and personal choices.
oh ok... sorry I took it personally, my bad.
but yeah... I wasn't saying because bowser can be played well anyone that tries hard enough can do well with Ike. I'm just saying people say negative stuff about bowser all the time but he's been proven to be a decent character if used correctly. I think that goes for all characters. Some are just easier to get the hang of than others.
That is exactly what I feel Ike is. He is just so monstrously powerful that carelessly running at him would be suicide. I just wish Sakurai based him more on his actual Fire Emblem counterpart, where he was strong and fast.
Ah well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one then... cus I don't believe in tiers. I think all the characters were designed for the most part balanced with one another. No character purely beats another outright, it's the gamer controlling it that decides the outcome.Ok, but one thing. The character you play with really does matter. Which is the essence of tiers.