Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
It's not really fair to compare Super Mario Bros. to IceClimber.
If by "all" you mean two or three out of fifty...
No, it's because you're hurling insults.
I know what Satire means. It's an easy word. Man, someone says one thing about your sig, then you act like they don't know anything.
Maybe I could have phrased my argument better....
Fair or not, it's true that conceiving of a new stage is far easier when you have several games to draw inspiration from.
Fine, you got me there. But I think my point is still valid.
Sakurai will keep all the characters that he thinks are worth keeping. Will that include ICs? Maybe, maybe not.
He would be supporting retro character by including as many new retro characters as possible. ICs are a great character, but frankly, I'd much rather play as an entirely new retro character.
Oh, I'm not disputing the importance of retro characters. I just think that since there are so many worthy retro characters, ICS and G&W should step aside so that two other retro characters can chave a chance to shine. I'd much rather see Balloon Fighter and Little Mac playable in Brawl than ICs and G&W, simply becuase I've already played them to death.
If this is true, then the Mario stages should only be ones like the first part of Adventure mode. That captured how a Mario game works perfectly. Except...this isn't how they design stages.
I think people are misconceived about this. I'm pretty sure the final roster has been set for a while. After having the final roster, he went back and decided to include ATs (one of the reasons for the delay). The deadline is not an issue for PCs. I'm willing to bet Sakurai has already decided if a character has made the cut or not; so the new "deadline" is irrelevant whether a character will be in or not.
i know right? i actually completely forgot about Big Blue (mustve that that level blocked for waay too long). and Mute City is more of in and out traversal *lol that sounded dirty*, but at least you get the point. ICs arent de-confirmed. its just stupid speculation with absolutely no licking of intellect or undeniable proof to back it up
And that has what to do with Ice Climbers returning?
Nobody knows.
Except that the DK stage isn't exactly the same, as I've pointed out several times. They could easily have both.
It has nothing to do with popularity. I, for one, couldn't care less if Ice Climbers return or not. It's about common sense. This isn't pro-IC people Vs. anti-IC people, it's reasonably thinking people Vs. people who don't know what they're talking about.
Those aren't the only three options. They could bring back Icicle Mountain as a past stage and still cut Ice Climbers from the roster for all we know. The point is we don't know, and Rumble Falls doesn't tell us anything.
They've probably had a complete character list for a year now. Time isn't a factor at all. They've been making the game for over two years now. The fact that they took so long to announce a release date shows that they weren't going to announce one until they were sure the game would be finished by then, rather than announce a release date and then rush to finish the game by that time.
We don't need a whole list of retro characters. Two or three is fine.
He'll probably ignore that like he does everything that disproves his arguments.
Interesting. But was this stage axed because od lack of time or becuase it wasn't very good? I'm not sure, but it is a good point...
The story mode level did mirror the Mario series very well, this is true.
I'd say that both are important. Obviously you want stages that are enjoyable in actual matches, but they should be as true as possible to the series it represents.
Obviously the roster has already been long decided, and Sakurai and his team hammered out a playable roster that they felt could be completed within their expected deadline.
QFT
I'll give you that last part, but Rainbow Cruise is hardly an accurate representation of Rainbow Ride from Mario 64. The similarities are: there was a ship, that swinging pendulum thing was there, there are carpets, there are donut blocks that fall. That's it. Saying they "took some liberties" is a bit of an understatement.
Which, for a programmer, would take oh...an afternoon to accomplish.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for two side scrolling stages to be included, or that this update proves conclusively that ICs won't return with a whole new level. I'm just explaining why this update might, maybe, possibly be a sign of that the ICs have been axed. That's all.
Now THAT'S an understatment.
apologies for going off like that but it was directed at the community as a whole...especially the nonstop idiot n00b spammers that insist on something so uninsistable upon (if thats a word). and to be honest the ICs never crossed my mind once when looking at the update. the DK level poses a slim to nonexistent threat on the ICs confirmation. id be more worried if the duckhunt duck, balloon fighter, and one more retro character were confirmed beofre ICs
true...i am a comp sci/economics major and though i havent work on any insanely large scale projects, i still doubt it would take too long...nice catch though
That's true. And by the same token, there's no evidence supporting the theory that the ICs have been cut either.
eh? canadian much, eh? lol jk. "Who thinks think thread will be de-confirmed?"
umm ok...maybe you could argue that if the ICs had never shown up in melee at all. but with the exception of the clones, virtually everyone in melee has a better chance of being in brawl than anyone who wasnt in melee
Amen! Here speakth the voice of reason!
And what am I chopped liver? I've been saying this all along!
what am i, chopped liver? ive been saying this all along!
They were going to have a second course named "Ice Top" in Melee before it was scraped due to time so it's possible they'll have another course.
Lol, sorry grim. I know you've been saying this all day (like me, and several others). I just wanted to get the point across by the quoting the person I'd seen lay out this view in the simplest of ways. No offense, I hope?
*raises hand*
Yes it is. That's exactly what people have been saying. That's what this entire topic is about.
I understand your thought process, and it's wrong.
No, but there's no evidence of them not being in the game despite two months of updates. Again, this isn't about whether or not they'll be in the game, since none of us could possibly know. This is about whether or not Rumble Falls has anything to do with them being in the game, and the answer is no, it doesn't.
Nope, their odds are exactly the same.
I would say that every character, including clones, that was in Melee has a better chance of getting in then any character that wasn't.
No worries.
Yeah, I have no experience with programing, so I'm just guessing. I'm suspecting that it would be more time consuming than we assume, however.
This is correct. My point wasn't "Yes, ICs are for sure gone" but rather "we can't be positive that they will return." I honestly have no problem with the ICs, but we simply can't take their imminent return for granted because they are cool and unique.
Yes, your obviously right. Nothing can be ruled out at this this point.
I wasn't aware of this before it was pointed out, so it does admittly destroy my argument that no other stage concept for the series could be concieved.
Again, it could go either way. These characters might return, or Sakurai might scrap them so as to free up time for Balloon Fighter and all other all new retro characters.
I don't disagree. Basically this update doesn't prove anything, and leaves us where we started: with those expect ICs to return (ie: everyone, apparently) still beleive that to be the case and those who expect them to be cut (ie: me) still beleive that as well. We'll just have to wait for future updates to see who is correct.
Sounds like a reason observation to me.
Clearly, you've uncovered out secret plot. We Canadians have infilrated Smashboards and implanted subliminal messages in our posts so as to Canadianize your dialect. Soon nothing will stand in our way...
Just got back lol. I didn't see you posting about all of those on the beginning page. Doesn't matter though, it is likely they will not listen to me either.
and that one piece of fact has officially shut down all n00b speculation (not pointing the finger at Wiseguy). goodbye thread
*raised hand 3 minutes late like a dial-up webcam conversation*
omg calm the heck down. i wasnt pointing the finger at you at all. jeez. you obviously havent seen the Smashbros.com thread around mid-morning otherwise you would understand that we got a couple posts complaining about the ICs being ALLEGEDLY/OFFICIALLY de-confirmed
good. i listen to all opinions and share mine too. im not ignorant, dislike to be called ignorant, and dislike people who are.
ok and the evidence does have basis to it but theres so many counter-arguments that can be made against it that its become pretty close to if not already negligible evidence against the ICs being in brawl. im so saying theyll be there, im not saying they wont. im just saying todays update doesnt have a big enough impact to sway my opinion as well as a lot of the smash community's. i dont feel DK stage update should be too much if at all a pause for concern. and the title of this thread is so ridiculous that it needs to be locked up. so please stop biting my head off, aight?
