who mained roy?

[handsockpuppet]

I beg to differ (still). Name a charcter with a better recovery (plain or combo). Unless you're just talking about ^b and not the combo...

let's see....

jigs
mewtwo
Samus
Peach
Pichu
so forth...

 

[Ryudragon29]

Roy's my main but I agree that his aerial sucks. X_X

 

[ikelegend93]

ya roys aerial sucks, but at least he has a good >b attack, i love it!

 

[Kyu Puff]

His aerials aren't that bad compared to the rest of his game.

Milordog: Pretty much every other character.

handsockpuppet: Um, what do you think "better" is? Samus' and Roy's wavedashes are similar in length, but Samus has a faster jump which makes her's much more applicable. Roy's has a freakin' slow jump, so his wavedash can't be used for movement and it limits a lot of what he can do with it. (His waveland is good, on the other hand.)

Bowser's wavedash doesn't take him anywhere, making it near useless. Fox's wavedash is decent, and it's even better because he has so many uses for it. Samus, Marth, IC's and Mewtwo all have MUCH better wavedashes. They're all faster and are much more worthwhile.

 

[handsockpuppet]

His aerials aren't that bad compared to the rest of his game.

Milordog: Pretty much every other character.

handsockpuppet: Um, what do you think "better" is? Samus' and Roy's wavedashes are similar in length, but Samus has a faster jump which makes her's much more applicable. Roy's has a freakin' slow jump, so his wavedash can't be used for movement and it limits a lot of what he can do with it. (His waveland is good, on the other hand.)

Bowser's wavedash doesn't take him anywhere, making it near useless. Fox's wavedash is decent, and it's even better because he has so many uses for it. Samus, Marth, IC's and Mewtwo all have MUCH better wavedashes. They're all faster and are much more worthwhile.

can anyone explain to me why Roy's wavedash is behind Marth's? They're not much different, and i always thought they were even. the list goes by how good they are, not how useful.

 

[Kyu Puff]

can anyone explain to me why Roy's wavedash is behind Marth's? They're not much different, and i always thought they were even. the list goes by how good they are, not how useful.

good wavedash =/= long wavedash

The list goes by how long they are. Marth's and Mewtwo's are both a bit longer. Maybe it's because Marth's traction is lower, but that's only a guess.

In terms of actual goodness, Roy's would be much lower.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

My only problem with Roy is his lack of kill options.

 

[BAMN]

There's a good reason Roy is low tier...

 

[Milordog1]

I see Yellow people...who can't recover good with roy...i can...hate everybody elses' recoveries...Marth is a roy wannabe.

 

[Jash]

Blaze has an excellent Roy, and is the best one i have ever seen so far. You guys should definitely check him out.

 

[handsockpuppet]

The list goes by how long they are. Marth's and Mewtwo's are both a bit longer. Maybe it's because Marth's traction is lower, but that's only a guess.

In terms of actual goodness, Roy's would be much lower.

I think Mewtwo's is slower though...

 

[greenlink]

I beg to differ (still). Name a charcter with a better recovery (plain or combo). Unless you're just talking about ^b and not the combo...

Every single charecter in the game has a better recovery apart from falco and possibly doc (this is debatible but not by much) The >b tactic you were talking about only works once in the air and then fails to give any extra horizontal distance. Roy drops like a rock and can very rarely recover from offscreen unless high up.

 

[Zankoku]

I think Mewtwo's is slower though...

This is impossible. As you said, air-dodges are the same except their invincibility duration. They give the characters the same amount of momentum, so the only thing affecting their wavedash is their traction; thus, each character has identical initial velocity given a perfect wavedash, but traction affects their negative acceleration.

Basically, it's impossible to have a "slower" wavedash unless you're talking about longer jump times making it slower to start a wavedash.

 

[Kyu Puff]

I think Mewtwo's is slower though...

I don't think his jump is quite as slow.

I exaggerated a little; Roy's wavedash isn't bad at all, it's just not that good (compared to other mid/long wavedashes). It's average; it can be used for mindgames and spacing, doesn't really increase his speed by much (other than eliminating running lag), and he doesn't have a character specific use for it.

 

[Milordog1]

The >b tactic you were talking about only works once in the air and then fails to give any extra horizontal distance. Roy drops like a rock and can very rarely recover from offscreen unless high up.

Maybe i recover most of the time because i'm blasted high up...:embarrass

 

[handsockpuppet]

iunno, it just looked slower to me for some reason. and for recovery, besides the fact they have another second jump out of the downB, falcon's and dorf's recovery doesn't appear much better. but then again Roy falls faster (I think).

 

[Milordog1]

I haven't noticed...

 

[Shirogitsune]

My mains have always been interchangeable, but I've decided to stick with Roy after I realized how well he can SHFFL. His aerials are both good and bad in my eyes. They're bad because they don't do adequate damage and are often awkward to sweetspot (like meteor-smashing with Roy's hair); however, they're good because they hardly have any knockback. This, when combined with his speed, can lead to one of my favorite combos: Dtilt to set them up, then a timed SHFFLed up-air crossup that can possibly cancel out my opponent's double jump (not sure if it actually can or if it's just the speed of the combo), letting them fall right into my forward smash from behind for the kill.

A lot of his other aerials don't send people very far, but I've tried using this to my advantage to chain them together, and I've found it to be somewhat effective, especially juggle-SHFFLing the up-air. He's an imperfect character in general, not just in attacks of course, but that's why I'm enjoying maining him.

 

[Milordog1]

Yay!!! Go Roy

- Marth is a Roy wannabe

 

[handsockpuppet]

I wouldn't call his aerials bad, but they are situational.

 

[ikelegend93]

his aerials are bad......but usually if you can get his combos straight, hes actually good with aerials

 

[handsockpuppet]

people say that and yet his aerials are like a slightly weaker, laggier, and slower version of Marth's aerial which people love so much.

 

[Deleted member]

Ummm HSP pretty much hit the nail on the head. The only reason people think they are good is cuz their knockback is so horrendus that they can be chained together

 

[handsockpuppet]

Ummm HSP pretty much hit the nail on the head. The only reason people think they are good is cuz their knockback is so horrendus that they can be chained together

I liked how you called me HSP because those are my real initials. that's how I got the name.

 

[ikelegend93]

okay we need to stick to the original topic but your right the hsp is pretty cool

 

[handsockpuppet]

so by topic you mean what Roy has going for him. well his range is good...he has high knockback on smashes...he can juggle...he has Teh Phire...yah that's about it.

 

[ikelegend93]

ya he does, i was playing with him today and i got really good combos out of him on level 9 opponents but his only flaw would be when he super charges his sword it hurts him

 

[handsockpuppet]

um.......i wouldn't call that his only flaw.

 

[Milordog1]

um.......i wouldn't call that his only flaw.

True. I hate how fast he falls. I've finally learned that when i try to intercept and end up dying. Other than that i think he's good

 

[Black Waltz]

ya he does, i was playing with him today and i got really good combos out of him on level 9 opponents but his only flaw would be when he super charges his sword it hurts him

lol at good combos on lvl 9s. lvl 9's just walk/DI towards you all the time. and super charge ftl. crap aerials, crap recovery, crap almost everything.

 

[handsockpuppet]

True. I hate how fast he falls. I've finally learned that when i try to intercept and end up dying. Other than that i think he's good

I know that most people consider it a bad thing, but I love how fast he falls. I can't stand floaties. they're just not my style.

 

[Pitzer]

Roy hmm..????
Why did i pick him??
I Pick roy because he sucks and He Looks cooler then "Marf..."
Majority of the people pick marth over Roy But i decided to be the oddball and pick roy Not because he has the |>(-)eye/23 or the power because he suck in general and i like to make people say WTF?! I lost to ROY!!!!

Overall he is a cool character but not that many kill option's .
Out of all roy players who doesn't use Fsmash as a combo ender .
Anyone here?
Roy just sucks nothing can change that.(Except Nintendo of course.)
But i Main Roy And he is my favorite smash character!!!
Roy lives on Forever Until sheik comes!!!!

Because ROY HAS THE POWER!!!!

 

[Velox]

If you're good at the game, trust me, f-smash is all you need. And no, I'm not talking about comboing into it, though you can. But there are other options.

Dancing blade combo is really really really good.

N-air to edge guard.

D-smash (in some cases).

Counter.

U-throw.

Neutral B.

D-air (kidding).

And anything against Falco/Falcon/Fox/etc.

 

[Pitzer]

If you're good at the game, trust me, f-smash is all you need. And no, I'm not talking about comboing into it, though you can. But there are other options.

Dancing blade combo is really really really good.

N-air to edge guard.

D-smash (in some cases).

Counter.

U-throw.

Neutral B.

D-air (kidding).

And anything against Falco/Falcon/Fox/etc.

Againist the FF.
Anymove is good againist the FF.
example U-Air
And F-tilt

 

[handsockpuppet]

don't use Nair for edgeguarding -_-

 

[Kyu Puff]

People didn't "choose Marth over Roy", they chose Marth over 25 other characters. Marth happens to be a high to top tier character, and so a very good character to pick up. You don't have to "choose" between them, just pick a character and play it.

And, um... Sheik isn't Roy's only counter you know...

 

[Velox]

I said n-air to edgeguard. As in d-tilt -> n-air if your opponent knows how to DI.

 

[Pitzer]

Sheik is one of roy's major counters.
ANd the Ice Climbers are the second major counter.

 

[Doodx]

i mained him for very long just because i started with him and chose him instead of marth i also wanted to be an oddball and own all the marths but in the end i quited and started again with marth

 

[handsockpuppet]

i mained him for very long just because i started with him and chose him instead of marth i also wanted to be an oddball and own all the marths but in the end i quited and started again with marth

good job

Sheik is one of roy's major counters.
ANd the Ice Climbers are the second major counter.

IC have the advantage over the Roy, but I wouldn't call them his second counter. I think that Luigi is Roy's second counter. Luigi is extremely floatie and has better aerials then Roy in every way.