Chaobreaker
Smash Rookie
I felt that Ness has finally become more competent in the case that his smashs and aerials are much stronger and his fsmash has reflective properties too!
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Whats your believe of the most improved fighter since Melee?
- Thread starter Chaobreaker
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Iron Thorn
Smash Lord
Zelda. Din's Fire became usable, she and Sheik were balanced out, and her design is so much better.
Chaobreaker
Smash Rookie
Agreed but it causes helpless in the air. thats pretty much it about her. Sheik got nerfed though.
Would anyone like to add about Ness?
Would anyone like to add about Ness?
C.Olimar788
Smash Ace
Ness' fsmash has reflective properties in Melee too. 
Aaanyway, I think Bowser gets most improved. I couldn't stand him in Melee, but now he's actually halfway fun to play with.
Aaanyway, I think Bowser gets most improved. I couldn't stand him in Melee, but now he's actually halfway fun to play with.
DeDaDo
Smash Rookie
Although I agree with Zelda, G&W is a close second.
Blade Knight
Smash Ace
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Kirby, easy.
Chaobreaker
Smash Rookie
No love for Ness?
Youko
Podcasting Pro
Dude, you made a thread asking for people's opinions, not if they concur with your Ness beliefs.
While Zelda is useful, Game and Watch is now COMPETITIVE. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see people place very well with G&W in at least the near future, which is something that was not possible in Melee.
While Zelda is useful, Game and Watch is now COMPETITIVE. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see people place very well with G&W in at least the near future, which is something that was not possible in Melee.
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Kirby is easily the most improved, followed by Zelda
Chaobreaker
Smash Rookie
I like Ness. Ness reminds me of pie. So I cant forget about pie. Just think of the children!
Anyway you are right but I have no idea what makes G&W competent now. What is it?
Anyway you are right but I have no idea what makes G&W competent now. What is it?
C.Olimar788
Smash Ace
I think its his now-competent recovery... that's at least part of it.
The Halloween Captain
Smash Master
GW mysteriously got a far greater boost than any other character, from almost last to almost first.
I don't know how he did it, but I hear it has something to do with GW being one of the best offencive fighters in the game. Turtle power, up-b upgrade, Uair upgrade, GW seems to be all around a better character than he was in melee.
I don't know how he did it, but I hear it has something to do with GW being one of the best offencive fighters in the game. Turtle power, up-b upgrade, Uair upgrade, GW seems to be all around a better character than he was in melee.
Crazy_mofo213
Smash Lord
I say Kirby because he sucked in Melee IMO, but now his Fsmash and arial attacks have more knockback.
MarthTrinity
Smash Lord
I used Ness a lot in Melee and use him as my third main in Brawl...so yeah, I agree he's fastly improved. It's a lot easier for him to recover (as most of the stages are small enough that you don't even need to PK Thunder back onto) and most of all...his yo-yo can kill now! I was amazed by that. Plus his grabs are a lot faster, especially his dash-grab.
Although most improved I'd have to say it's Captain Falcon or Peach
Although most improved I'd have to say it's Captain Falcon or Peach
Read as: Mr. Game and Watch and Zelda.
CUsmasher2011
Smash Journeyman
Gotta be Game & Watch....Kirby is a close second
penguinman
Smash Apprentice
GaW tied with kirby. i hide behind the fact that kirby was terrible in melee.
iEatPikmin
Smash Journeyman
I'd have to say Pikachu. His Dmsash is stronger, and QAC is has potential.
Knyaguy
Smash Lord
Game and Watch. He is now a tourny viable character!
Game & Watch. Bottom Tier in Melee, possibly Top or Upper High in Brawl.
In my opinion...
Zelda - Din's Fire of course and Faore's Wind being awesome too, but her smashes and tilts all feel much more accurate now. They all feel like they "suck" the opponent into them as opposed to before where they felt like they pushed away from the sweet spot of the hits. Her upair is fast now, and her downair is a b/fair pointing downwards now as it always should have been. Naryu's Love now actually does its job of pushing someone away very well, in Melee that move was so finicky. Before Zelda fans in Melee get all crazy it's not to say she wasn't potentially good in Melee too, but I feel like in Brawl she's better in almost every way. Her Fair and Bair are a little harder to sweetspot now but not by much, it's a small price to pay for all the plusses she got. Everything she does now fits her intended style perfectly. If only the transformation were just a -tiny- little bit shorter...
Game and Watch - I don't play the character much so I can't be too in depth here but even in my limited time with him he does feel much more potent. I think it's mostly his aerials. It's like they got a mad amount of priority all of a sudden. He generally just functions better though...maybe it's more the new engine more than anything character specific but whatever it is it worked.
Kirby - Definitely improved. New Yo-yo Kirby inspired dash attack is way better than that fire kirby move, Hammer move is a little more bonafide for regular use, and in general everything he does doesn't feel as weak. The hits that are meant to be low knockback do their job, and the hits meant to knockback further than others do it just right.
Donkey Kong - I don't play the big DK much but I can see why he's regarded as such a threat when he doesn't have some frightening Tech that's abusable against him. His throws latch on to you very well and his hits just feel more accurate. He's one of the few characters that actually benefitted highly from the low hitstun. I'd say even if future games had hitstun put back in heavier characters like DK should still be less suseptable to it, it's the key I think to making the heavyweight characters contenders instead of airborn punching bag hard-mode characters.
Bowser - I know a lot of people are gonna get on my case about this, but in my personal opinion I think he got a little better. While I miss the biting too, I think the new piledriver move he does for forward B is way more effective than that shoulder tackle he did before. If only he bit then did piledriver in this...that'd be the best of both worlds...
But yeah, also his fire breath pushes away a little better now too and his forward smash comes out a little quicker. Even Bowser Bomb if you're actually hit by it feels like it hurts a lot more. All and all I feel like he's generally a slightly better character. If you prefer the way he was in Melee that's fine, I'm not looking for an argument. Just based off of my experience between the two versions I feel like Brawl ver. has a few basic advantages. I do miss using L canceling with his stuff too a bit but I'm talking about the bare-bones characteristics.
Zelda - Din's Fire of course and Faore's Wind being awesome too, but her smashes and tilts all feel much more accurate now. They all feel like they "suck" the opponent into them as opposed to before where they felt like they pushed away from the sweet spot of the hits. Her upair is fast now, and her downair is a b/fair pointing downwards now as it always should have been. Naryu's Love now actually does its job of pushing someone away very well, in Melee that move was so finicky. Before Zelda fans in Melee get all crazy it's not to say she wasn't potentially good in Melee too, but I feel like in Brawl she's better in almost every way. Her Fair and Bair are a little harder to sweetspot now but not by much, it's a small price to pay for all the plusses she got. Everything she does now fits her intended style perfectly. If only the transformation were just a -tiny- little bit shorter...
Game and Watch - I don't play the character much so I can't be too in depth here but even in my limited time with him he does feel much more potent. I think it's mostly his aerials. It's like they got a mad amount of priority all of a sudden. He generally just functions better though...maybe it's more the new engine more than anything character specific but whatever it is it worked.
Kirby - Definitely improved. New Yo-yo Kirby inspired dash attack is way better than that fire kirby move, Hammer move is a little more bonafide for regular use, and in general everything he does doesn't feel as weak. The hits that are meant to be low knockback do their job, and the hits meant to knockback further than others do it just right.
Donkey Kong - I don't play the big DK much but I can see why he's regarded as such a threat when he doesn't have some frightening Tech that's abusable against him. His throws latch on to you very well and his hits just feel more accurate. He's one of the few characters that actually benefitted highly from the low hitstun. I'd say even if future games had hitstun put back in heavier characters like DK should still be less suseptable to it, it's the key I think to making the heavyweight characters contenders instead of airborn punching bag hard-mode characters.
Bowser - I know a lot of people are gonna get on my case about this, but in my personal opinion I think he got a little better. While I miss the biting too, I think the new piledriver move he does for forward B is way more effective than that shoulder tackle he did before. If only he bit then did piledriver in this...that'd be the best of both worlds...
But yeah, also his fire breath pushes away a little better now too and his forward smash comes out a little quicker. Even Bowser Bomb if you're actually hit by it feels like it hurts a lot more. All and all I feel like he's generally a slightly better character. If you prefer the way he was in Melee that's fine, I'm not looking for an argument. Just based off of my experience between the two versions I feel like Brawl ver. has a few basic advantages. I do miss using L canceling with his stuff too a bit but I'm talking about the bare-bones characteristics.
»»Captain Kirby««
Smash Rookie
Pikachu. in melee, it was impossible to win with him. now, he's one of my best guys.
Spartan1841
Smash Journeyman
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Game and Watch
But Zelda's din fire got buffed so much that its annoying
But Zelda's din fire got buffed so much that its annoying
AnAardvark
Smash Journeyman
In my opinion, Pikachu was most improved, because his D-Smash is stronger. And plus, a lot of his moves were buffed up a bit damage-wise.
AgentJGV
Smash Journeyman
I personally think that G&W didnt change but everything around him changed making him better. Now, before people bite my head off let me explain that when I say he hasnt changed what i ment was that to me, he doesnt feel any different. just my opinion.
Negi-Kun
Smash Lord
Game and Watch, Kirby, Ness, DK, and Zelda.
Zenthewanderer
Smash Apprentice
Hmm... I guess I'll take a different route from everyone else and say Link. Raising his speed at the cost of a bit of power was perfectly fine. The ability to charge his spin attack was also a welcome addition. And its nice to see his projectiles powered up. But, hey, that's just what I think.
Kirby and Zelda were both improved too of course- though I don't play as either often so my insight on them is lacking.. G&W's major upgrades were totally unexpected... He's just overall a much better character- in fact, was anything nerfed? I'd also say Luigi's been given some decent ups.
Kirby and Zelda were both improved too of course- though I don't play as either often so my insight on them is lacking.. G&W's major upgrades were totally unexpected... He's just overall a much better character- in fact, was anything nerfed? I'd also say Luigi's been given some decent ups.
Golem the Stern Father
Smash Champion
Mr. Game and Watch rocks everyones socks! The bair, dair, and dsmash are now superb, making him the most improved fighter.
Second is Zelda, followed by Kirby, Bowser, and Ness.
Second is Zelda, followed by Kirby, Bowser, and Ness.
Icarus Descent
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I say Zelda,in Melee I never even got to use Din's Fire and now I can keep people off the stage with it. Also, I don't just pick Zelda for Sheik anymore,as I use to any Melee. I actually enjoy to play with her.
MidnightAsaph
Smash Lord
Can't say I know for a fact, but I noticed Zelda first. Kirby is also improved. His dash is fricken annoying. As for G&W, I just know he's top tier. I dunno how he was in Melee, cause, to be truthful, I hardly cared for Melee since I lacked the enthusiasm in becoming DBR good. Too much work. Rather sleep.
Leprechaun_Drunk
Smash Journeyman
charizard, cus he upgraded from an assist trophy to a playable character.
In all seriousness, G&W is undeniably the most buffed character from melee. DK, Kirby, Ness and Zelda all got buffs too.
In all seriousness, G&W is undeniably the most buffed character from melee. DK, Kirby, Ness and Zelda all got buffs too.
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Yet he somehow forgot to cause damage on contact
JawaJedi
Smash Journeyman
Definately Zelda and Game and Watch.
Collective of Bears
King of Hug Style
Game & Watch, Zelda, Kirby, and Link.
JawaJedi
Smash Journeyman
I actually think Link is a lot worse in Brawl. I mained him in melee, and a lot of the thingsyou could do with his boomerang you can't do anymore with the 'pull' feature.
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Meh, i say he got better in somethings, and worst in others.
AgentJGV
Smash Journeyman
Now i just know some people will call me crazy for saying this but...Ganondorf. Think about it though. Ganon was improved in the sense that he upgraded with brawl. Of coarse if you matched him up with his melee self, he would get destroyed but thats just the thing. Brawl is Brawl not melee and i think that ganondorf's transition was a good one. Although i do admit, I wish he had a more custom moveset.
toktomo
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Game and Watch is the most improved/revised character from Melee to Brawl, he has just gotten way more competitive and challenging than in the past...very surprisingly that they made him that good in Brawl. Not to mention that they didn't really make Link that great in Brawl.
Nowaytoeatatater
Smash Ace
GW went from bottom tier to top tier.
He wanted to be the very best like no one ever was. And he might just be.
He wanted to be the very best like no one ever was. And he might just be.