What the heck is up with Spiritomb & Sableye?

[LethalFishEater]

I have just noticed that Spiritomb is a ghost/dark type. Intrigued by this rare combo, I looked up any weaknesses (in a type chart in my R/S guidebook). I found that Spiritomb doesn't have any weaknesses! Does anyone else think that this is unfair on Nintendo to include a pokemon that is impossible to get if you don't have Wi-Fi (like me)?

 

[drcossack]

Use Toxic.

Problem solved.

 

[Zook]

No.

And you can get him without Wi-Fi.

 

[ss118]

Ever heard of Garchomp w/ Sub?

 

[Firus]

He's available without WiFi, you need a friend to go Underground with you. Yes, you need either a friend or WiFi to do it, but...it's not all that unfair. Sableye is the same typing, so it's not like you're missing the only Pokemon like that.

 

[Spire]

Spiritomb is one of those "legendaries and semi-legendaries" from the 4th Gen that look absolutely ********. Fellow members are Darkrai and Cresselia.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Ever met a Sableye before?

-Ter

 

[Bowser King]

Spiritomb is one of those "legendaries and semi-legendaries" from the 4th Gen that look absolutely ********. Fellow members are Darkrai and Cresselia.

Yes and leading them is their leader likiliky, oh how I hate that pokemon!!! Who wants to be named the word 'liki' twice!

 

[shadydentist]

Lets look at spiritomb. It has mediocre attack and special attack, a very limited offensive movepool, lousy STAB coverage, and ridiculously low speed, so its not going to sweep anything. It has okay defense and special defense, but suffers from low HP and a lack of a reliable healing move (between Pain Split and Rest). He does alright as a support pokemon, packing will-o-wisp, swagger, and hypnosis. He also counters frail psychic/ghost pokemon very well with both sucker punch and pursuit. He learns calm mind and nasty plot, but again, with his slow speed, hes probably not going to be sweeping much.

Spiritomb is a useful pokemon, but having no weaknesses isn't as good as you think.

 

[Platypus]

Also, some people might use a Kangaskhan with Scrappy to deliver an unexpected, super-effective Brick Break or Hammer...Never mind. Scrappy only works for the Normal type.

 

[XACE-K]

I have just noticed that Spiritomb is a ghost/dark type.

So is Sableeye and nobody said anything aboout him being unfair.

 

[MarthFanatique]

Ever met a Sableye before?

-Ter

Yeah, also, there's something else...a few beautiful moves called foresight, odor sleuth, etc. Then fighting is super-effective...

 

[LethalFishEater]

Sorry about not noticing sableye's typing (This justifies calling me n00b)... um..., wow wasn't really expecting this many responses for my first topic. I was hoping for maybe 4-5. 10's not much higher but still, more than I expected. Max stats for Spiritomb (all neutral, pulled from PokeDream.com): HP: 210 - 304 (#348 of 493) Attack: 189 - 283 (#119 of 493) Sp. Atk.: 189 - 283 (#103 of 493) Defense: 221 - 315 (#54 of 493) Sp. Def.: 221 - 315 (#44 of 493) Speed: 75 - 169 (#420 of 493). Sorry if any of the stats are wrong.

 

[Firus]

Ever met a Sableye before?

-Ter

Yeah, really. I can't believe that people actually didn't notice that Sableye has the same typing. A friend of mine who is also into Pokemon just realized, after I pointed it out to him, that Sableye is the same type. How do you miss this? I'm not trying to be mean, I just honestly don't get how you miss it.

Lets look at spiritomb. It has mediocre attack and special attack, a very limited offensive movepool, lousy STAB coverage, and ridiculously low speed, so its not going to sweep anything. It has okay defense and special defense, but suffers from low HP and a lack of a reliable healing move (between Pain Split and Rest). He does alright as a support pokemon, packing will-o-wisp, swagger, and hypnosis. He also counters frail psychic/ghost pokemon very well with both sucker punch and pursuit. He learns calm mind and nasty plot, but again, with his slow speed, hes probably not going to be sweeping much.

Spiritomb is a useful pokemon, but having no weaknesses isn't as good as you think.

Agreed...everyone thinks that's so good because unless you play the game at a deeper level, you don't notice that he's actually pretty bad. As someone else pointed out, Foresight etc. also fix this...so he's really not that great.

And yeah, having no weakness isn't useful. Unless, of course, you hack Wonder Guard onto the Pokemon without the weakness, which won't matter in legitimate play.

EDIT: Wow, 500th post. I didn't realize I had that many.

 

[LethalFishEater]

Well, I guess not owning a Sableye and not bothering to look up the type for it would explain my major noobishness (which occurs all the time by the way). Also, looked up the stats for Spiritomb while posting, you're right it does suck. Another one not going on my team (even if I owned one). I'm still surprised that people keep coming back to this thread... not that it's a bad thing.

EDIT: Just updated the thread name to reflect the points made by Terywj & XACE-K that Sableye is also a Dark/Ghost type.

 

[0RLY]

Spiritomb is like a weaker Bronzong, with one less weakness. Sableye is just... crap.

 

[A_man13]

I actually find the two to be a very easy threat to deal with. Sword dance a sweeper and their deadly against any defensive foe.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Spiritomb is like a weaker Bronzong, with one less weakness. Sableye is just... crap.

That's why Sableye needs an evolution.

-Ter

 

[LethalFishEater]

Then, I guess we can expect an evolution in another 3-4 yrs. (when Generation 5 comes out) . Any ideas for a name?

 

[lowradiation8989]

A friend of mine recently tried to show off how "cool" he was, by forcing me to face a Spiritomb with Wonder Guard. It was his last pokemon too, so there was nothing I could do.

 

[Chill]

This Is ********!