What is this Mario missing?

Ray_Kalm · Feb 8, 2009

Well, not much to say. A friend, Frank, would like to be judged by the better Marios here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfwZnLbkq5w Vs. Matt07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70jYd-Q5Lz4&feature=channel_page Vs. Mario_101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQJ9kwp8Qy4&feature=channel_page Vs. Mario_101 (2)

A2ZOMG · Feb 8, 2009

Number one problem: He doesn't know how to space B-airs.

I think he doesn't know how to DI either. If he DIed that B-throw, he would have survived it. I don't recall him shielding anything, and I think he spotdodged too much.

Also, in a moment like 0:56, he could have F-smashed, as the leanback would have protected him from his opponent's jab, and then punished.

Matt07 · Feb 8, 2009

Hmm...wonder who the other Mario is.

Lol xD.

FrankPizzi · Feb 9, 2009

Did I do any better in these matches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70jYd-Q5Lz4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQJ9kwp8Qy4

A2ZOMG · Feb 9, 2009

Yeah. However you're still a fair bit spotdodge reliant, and you don't have the timing down for SH Double B-air (it all comes down to buffering aerials from a jump, if you don't know what I mean, look up Thunder Storming, and that is how Ganondorf autocancels his D-air).

Also, a lot of times you tried too hard to follow up with U-airs from D-throw. When your opponent air dodges, regrab them and D-throw them again. This will give them a headache trying to decide whether or not air dodging is a good option. It gets tricky though if they jump away and air dodge.

Ledgedrop -> Cape -> B-air is a good getup option from the ledge, Up-smash out of shield is good for punishing (and KOing if you save it til like 125%) and Up-B out of shield is very useful for punishing all sorts of stuff, even G&W's B-air and the Mach Tornado.

fromundaman · Feb 9, 2009

A2ZOMG said:
Ledgedrop -> Cape -> B-air is a good getup option from the ledge,

Question: How exactly does this one work? I've seen it done many times, but every time I try it, I end up regrabbing the ledge after my cape animation ends. Am I supposed to buffer a jump during the cape animation? Do I have to let myself drop away from the edge first?

FrankPizzi · Feb 9, 2009

Tnx A2ZOMG.

A2ZOMG · Feb 9, 2009

fromundaman said:
Question: How exactly does this one work? I've seen it done many times, but every time I try it, I end up regrabbing the ledge after my cape animation ends. Am I supposed to buffer a jump during the cape animation? Do I have to let myself drop away from the edge first?

Hold away from the ledge until you jump, THEN B-air. You cannot grab a ledge while you are holding down, away from it, or are moving upwards (except when sweetspotting a ledge with a special attack).

fromundaman · Feb 9, 2009

A2ZOMG said:
Hold away from the ledge until you jump, THEN B-air. You cannot grab a ledge while you are holding down, away from it, or are moving upwards (except when sweetspotting a ledge with a special attack).

Awesome, I'll try that. Thanks.

Ray/Boshi · Feb 10, 2009

I didnt watch any of them video's yet. This is mainly going by my ditto's with him the other day.

~DI seems to be the main much needed focus to look into. Could survive alot longer, as well as not being in a good possibilty for being gimped. I gimped him a few times by merely running off & grabbing the ledge first.

~7-8 min matches. Don't necassarily have to attack on every approach, there's plenty of time for all that. Be creative. Mario has a decent array of an moveset.

Mario_ 101 · Feb 10, 2009

in that second match of me i wasn't rly trying lawl. that match was liek old and it was a period where i didn't try that hard cuz i got tired of brawl.

vato_break · Feb 10, 2009

No johns 101

Mario_ 101 · Feb 10, 2009

i wasn't even trying -_- srsly out of all the matches i try vs frank i win lol. if u dun believe me u can spectate a match between frank and i (as long as it doesn't lag to heck)

J-Prep · Feb 11, 2009

he should get matches up against me =x

Famous · Feb 12, 2009

Lol, you guys use fireballs in dittos?

Ray_Kalm · Feb 12, 2009

Was that all the advice you could give him? I'm seeing a lot of off topic posts.

Famous · Feb 12, 2009

My post was advice in itself...There is no need to use fire in dittos, PS and spacing is the key...

There isn't really much advice I can give for dittos other than that...For other characters though different playing styles apply...

For general advice, use short hop spot dodging more. Spot dodging mid-air auto cancels into moves like U-tilt. I sometimes spot dodge into an opponents shield then uptilt at low percentages...

Matt07 · Feb 12, 2009

Ray_Kalm, try to get other videos of Frank against other characters. It's hard to rate someone in dittos due to them being dittos (it's hard to explain), in my opinion.

FrankPizzi · Feb 12, 2009

Why not use fire balls in a ditto?.......................

Johnny Pteran · Feb 12, 2009

FrankPizzi said:
Why not use fire balls in a ditto?.......................

Because it's a good projectile and does 5% if they get hit by it, of course!

Ray/Boshi · Feb 12, 2009

I agree with going against different characters as Mario. Ditto's won't get him very far. Other then seeing what Mario can do against himself. Which can be good for perfecting spacing. But not overall.

How I become slightly good with Mario was by getting good with other characters and using them against other Mario players. As well as watching youtube of Mario mains to get some ideas for the different scenarios of approaches to use against the other characters.

Dude seemed to play better against me when I was using Sonic, Samus, and Peach. I outright slaughtered him when I used Marth though. I kept spacing with Marth's range, Fair's Dtilts, Dancing blades, ect. He tried stalling a little bit on the the ledge, dropping then regrabbing, But I was laying in the pocket for him, using Dtilt an whatnot.

Overall, just keep at it. You'l get better in no time.

~I use Fireballs in Ditto's. ;P

Mario_ 101 · Feb 12, 2009

lol i think frank learned that stalling from me XD

Ray/Boshi · Feb 12, 2009

Lol. Least he's learning and observing. Putting things to use.

Stalling at times seems a little bit of a waste to me IMO. Unless you trying to waste time while the opponet recovering and you trying to hold onto the edge a little longer or you're attempting to build your shield back up I suppose. When I Marth in that match against Frank I just waited for him basically, Wasnt much of anything that he could do from that position other then waste time. He only had a few optons from there.

Mario_ 101 · Feb 12, 2009

depends... frank is kinda new to ledgecamping but there are actually quite a bit of things u can do when camping with mario. u just gotta be creative and use the surroudings to ur advantage...

FrankPizzi · Feb 12, 2009

Mario_ 101 said:
lol i think frank learned that stalling from me XD

Yeah I did lol.

DKKountry · Feb 12, 2009

Not to be too concise, but practice spacing. Play your match like you don't want to get hit (like in a sudden death match). Play just barely outside your opponent's range and get aggressive when they do anything laggy.

IMHO

Matador · Feb 13, 2009

Based on our matches, I can tell you play really similar to how I used to...blindly aggressive. That works for awhile, but smart opponents will walk all over you. Space a bit more, bring more mindgames into play, grab more to offset the constant attacking, things of that nature.

Also, just experiment offstage. You're good with that Fair, but you started to cling to it. Mix it up to throw opponents off. And...you may want to watch those SDs. You nearly had me a few matches and SDs evened it up, lol

Overall, you're MUCH better than most of the Marios I randomly play. Just keep trying to take your game further.

....Matt...why haven't we played?

Ray/Boshi · Feb 13, 2009

Mario_ 101 said:
depends... frank is kinda new to ledgecamping but there are actually quite a bit of things u can do when camping with mario. u just gotta be creative and use the surroudings to ur advantage...

Such as? If the opponet is just sitting there, standing, waiting (Or in a few characters cases/ Poking a tilt at the ledge at you) You are pretty much doing nothing other then wasting time. As you can only do so much far as coming back from off of the edge.

I think it's mainly a factor of just what you said. New to ledgecamping. Anybody wise will mess that whole shebang up tremendously.

Judge Judy · Feb 13, 2009

Ray/Boshi said:
Such as? If the opponet is just sitting there, standing, waiting (Or in a few characters cases/ Poking a tilt at the ledge at you) You are pretty much doing nothing other then wasting time. As you can only do so much far as coming back from off of the edge.

Fireball and FLUDD spam work. You can also read my planking guide for more info: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217421

A2ZOMG · Feb 13, 2009

Dude, I swear, this guy learns really fast. I played him a few matches, and wow he got better really fast. XD

Matador · Feb 13, 2009

Trufax...He's not bad at all. He's no MitGB XD

FrankPizzi · Feb 13, 2009

:o :o :o :o

Matt07 · Feb 14, 2009

Matador said:
....Matt...why haven't we played?

That is a really good question, we should one time

.

I'm just usually busy a lot, will be free for V-day tomorrow lol.

vato_break · Feb 14, 2009

matt is pretty good.

Matt07 · Feb 14, 2009

Thank you, I still have to 3 stock you back sometime

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