What if Smash 4 turned out to be a great competitive game?

[Senario]

I was asked to lock it by the thread owner.

Totally different case then, Thanks for the info ;p Wouldn't have come to that conclusion if I knew that XD.

 

[Raijinken]

Most competitive players (In the states) consider Battlefield a more balanced competitive stage than Final Destination.

Most competitive players play in-person, though, as online has lag to account for (no matter how small).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Most competitive players (In the states) consider Battlefield a more balanced competitive stage than Final Destination.

In Brawl it's smashville.

 

[Nontoxic]

In Brawl it's smashville.

Both are more balanced than FD.

 

[ferioku]

And another one, I never outright bash the game without expressing why I feel this or that about it. I'm not contradicting myself when I say that how competitive it is determines whether or not I want to support the game and get it. I haven't made a decisions on that yet. Honestly there are a lot of other games where I'm getting what I expect and I would likely support those with the money I save from smash. Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, Dragon age Inquisition, heck even the sims 4 is going to be exactly what I expect even if the price is a little outlandish in general right now compared to the previous games I mentioned. As much as some people hate sequels there is a good reason why they sell, fans of the first game know what to expect out of the second game because they likely will be similar. Having them drastically different alienates that fanbase of the previous game.

That said, insinuating I'm not smart, ok lol "Before making silly statements understand who you are talking to!" Guy. I never pointed out a specific community where the people I want to avoid come from. They come from all communities unfortunately, the melee community is great on a tournament level because you go there and act like that and most people would set you straight. But there are people from all around who will be jerks plain and simple and there are quite a few people who want to force Smash 4 down the throats of dissenters of the game. You see a lot of them on these forums and I have to say that they aren't making a good case for the eventual smash 4 community in general. Dissenters may leave, but those people never will and that is concerning considering part of the reason that Melee is so popular is that the community has a lot of good, friendly players, going to tournaments you can meet a lot of people and make a lot of friends and that is part of the reason why it is so successful. The sense of a good community is important.

EDIT: I think that if the "If the game is bad competitively" thread is locked this thread should be locked too for consistency.

Well to be honest, I don't want melee to be dropped for smash 4, but at the same time I want both games to excel competitively beside each other, is that too much to ask for? Of course those particular people in the community who are trying to force smash 4 are in the wrong, but you are forgetting about the other half of the community who think it's right to not only say repetitively call sm4sh for crap or brawl 2.0, but they also think it's funny to take the p out of those who want to support sm4sh. It's unfair to judge a game and disown it when it hasn't even fully been released, I understand if that was the full game, but clearly it's not. Smash 4 is its own game and it's been explained for too many times, but by the look of it, nobody wants to listen. It's not even "we will see in the final version" it's more of, "no matter what anyone says, this game will fail competitively".

Either way, all we can do is hope for the best and hope that this game excels competitively! I hope that this game can at have tournaments along side melee. I myself honestly don't enjoy brawl that much anymore, I did as a kid but it's getting too boring, especially when nobody plays it anymore, but I still think both sides are in the wrong to be honest.

 

[bkslider]

With the characters, graphics, and hopefully balance being better than any previous games, I have high hopes. There will always be people who prefer older games, but if Sm4sh is half as good competitively as it has the potential to be, I think people may really embrace it.

 

[Souless_shadow]

If it is competitive then I'm going to start going to a lot of tournaments around me. If it's not competitive then I'm still going to hqave lots of fun with the game.

 

[Nontoxic]

To be honest I don't really plan on playing competitively, but would still enjoy it if it had the competitive mechanics just because that makes the experience better for me even as a casual player.

 

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

I've only decided to take up Melee seriously recently (2 months). While I feel I'm progressing fast I still feel way behind compared to those who have been playing for years. I'm interested in joining the competitive community so I am looking forward to putting all my efforts into this new game so I can be fresh along with everyone else. If it's great for tournaments then I know my venture will be well worth it

 

[GeNo-BreaKer]

I want it to be competitively good so people can finally shut their ****ing mouths about games that I love.

"Waaahhhh!! Stop disliking what I like!"

 

[Luigi player]

Huh, something positive? Where are we, smashboards or something? Oh wait... we're really at smashboards. With all the negativity around here it seems like gamefaqs or something.

I'm sure Smash4 will be great, at least for some people (me included ).

 

[EndlessSmash]

If it's a great competitave game, we'll play it.
/thread

If it's not, we'll still play it.

 

[Gidy]

In the opposite response to the if it fails thread,

All FD Form stages no items 4 stocks 8 minutes little macs and fox only.

I hope another another Smash game gets a life cycle expansive as melee or even the ever changing Project M.

 

[ferioku]

Just want to get my hands on this game already T_T. Tired of waiting lool!

 

[HeavyLobster]

If Smash 4 turns out to be a great competitive game, we'll have to find something else to wage flame wars over. We can't just discuss the actual game without resorting to ridiculous hyperbole, stereotypes, and insults. Anyone have ideas for the next great base breaker? Custom movesets? Stage lists? 3 or 4 stocks? We can't let these boards degenerate into a cesspool of peace, harmony, and friendship, so please speak up.

 

[pickle962]

I don't think it'll be a great competitive game but on the off chance it is Ill play it for a bit. Ill still go back and play some melee and project M from time to time because they likely will still be the better versions of the game and the community is better imo.

*facepalm* you have SERIOUS problems if you think smash 4 wont be a great competitive game! I mean ****, the removal of tripping and no longer being able to act out of hitstun along with a great emphasis on roster balance this time alone makes sm4sh 100 times more competitive than Brawl ever was PERIOD!

 

[Senario]

*facepalm* you have SERIOUS problems if you think smash 4 wont be a great competitive game! I mean ****, the removal of tripping and no longer being able to act out of hitstun along with a great emphasis on roster balance this time alone makes sm4sh 100 times more competitive than Brawl ever was PERIOD!

Lol we arent comparing it to brawl. We are comparing it to the more successful competitive communities of project M and melee. That said, brawl had a lot more problems than just tripping and hitstun and "you have SERIOUS (in caps cause so srs) problems if you dont see that." Lol

 

[Aninymouse]

I was just about to make this thread

If it turns out to be great competitively then I can possibly enjoy my time on smashboards instead of listening to the highest amount of negative whining i've heard in my life

It won't let me like your post more than once

 

[pickle962]

Lol we arent comparing it to brawl. We are comparing it to the more successful competitive communities of project M and melee. That said, brawl had a lot more problems than just tripping and hitstun and "you have SERIOUS (in caps cause so srs) problems if you dont see that." Lol

I'm well aware of how slow Brawl was good sir. No need to act like a 12 year old on Youtube to get your point across

 

[Raijinken]

If Smash 4 turns out to be a great competitive game, we'll have to find something else to wage flame wars over. We can't just discuss the actual game without resorting to ridiculous hyperbole, stereotypes, and insults. Anyone have ideas for the next great base breaker? Custom movesets? Stage lists? 3 or 4 stocks? We can't let these boards degenerate into a cesspool of peace, harmony, and friendship, so please speak up.

Obviously, the arguments will be over whether or not to use the borders in team modes or force players to use team-appropriate color swaps in order to prevent people with three games of mental framework from getting confused.

We'll also be busy arguing about which side had more supporters, the "It'll be great" crowd or the "It'll suck" crowd. And some people will always have a hard time taking things into private messages instead of crowding a board with their back-and-forth arguments.

 

[Yodude57]

It already is a great competitive game... But I know what you mean.

I don't think it'll be a great competitive game but on the off chance it is Ill play it for a bit. Ill still go back and play some melee and project M from time to time because they likely will still be the better versions of the game and the community is better imo.

You don't know if they will be better versions of the game or not and we have no idea what the community will be like because it doesn't even exist yet.

 

[HeavyLobster]

*facepalm* you have SERIOUS problems if you think smash 4 wont be a great competitive game! I mean ****, the removal of tripping and no longer being able to act out of hitstun along with a great emphasis on roster balance this time alone makes sm4sh 100 times more competitive than Brawl ever was PERIOD!

Lol we arent comparing it to brawl. We are comparing it to the more successful competitive communities of project M and melee. That said, brawl had a lot more problems than just tripping and hitstun and "you have SERIOUS (in caps cause so srs) problems if you dont see that." Lol

I feel most of the Smash 4 debate can be summed up in the above posts. One side says it'll be great because it doesn't have problems A, B, and C that Brawl had, while the other side says it'll be bad because it doesn't have feature X, Y, or Z that Melee did. Neither argument is necessarily true, and the only way to really get an answer is to get our hands on the game to see how it plays. But the same old back-and-forth continues because nobody wants to wait, and also because without it, the Smash 4 boards would be pretty dead outside of Jabbathehutt's repeated attempts to hype a Wario POTD reveal.

 

[Raijinken]

You don't know if they will be better versions of the game or not and we have no idea what the community will be like because it doesn't even exist yet.

On top of that, it takes months if not years for the full competitive nature of a game to show, so playing "for a bit" is merely doing lip service to nullify accusations of hating something you never tried. The E3 tournament made everyone, including some of the players, think the game was Brawl 2.0, but things showed up afterwards and at SDCC that proved half of the statements of these pro players to be outright false.

 

[Souless_shadow]

I feel most of the Smash 4 debate can be summed up in the above posts. One side says it'll be great because it doesn't have problems A, B, and C that Brawl had, while the other side says it'll be bad because it doesn't have feature X, Y, or Z that Melee did. Neither argument is necessarily true, and the only way to really get an answer is to get our hands on the game to see how it plays. But the same old back-and-forth continues because nobody wants to wait, and also because without it, the Smash 4 boards would be pretty dead outside of Jabbathehutt's repeated attempts to hype a Wario POTD reveal.

This. All of this.

 

[The21stSmasher]

Ah, I can see it now!

• In tournaments, with all of the characters well-balanced, we'll no longer have to see boring matches (Such as vs in Melee & vs in Brawl)! Which explains why I rarely watch Melee and Brawl tournaments.
• Like Project M tournaments, a lot players would be using different characters other than the Top and/or High tier characters alone.
• It'll shut up the people who said it can't!

So, it'll be paradise for Smash 4 if it turns out to be a great competitive game, as well as a great balanced game too!

 

[Senario]

I'm well aware of how slow Brawl was good sir. No need to act like a 12 year old on Youtube to get your point across

Because comparing somebody's personality to that of a 12 year old is totally the sign of "maturity". Yet saying somebody has a SERIOUS (caps) problem because you don't agree with them is mature.

That said, it isn't feature X Y or Z that was in melee that I'm saying was a problem in brawl. There was the problem of balance which is arguably similar to melee except with more infinites and a lot more campy defense.

 

[Aninymouse]

I like how there's only about 4 people bickering, and we only had 3 /thread comments! I'd say we've managed a fairly successful thread and I think I infused a much-needed (small) shot of optimism back into Smashboards. Life is good.

Remember, no matter what happens, we only have a few more weeks to wait before we can try it for ourselves

 

[SS-bros14]

If it is, meh. I'm a causal, I guess it'd be good though because it would probably raise sales.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I feel most of the Smash 4 debate can be summed up in the above posts. One side says it'll be great because it doesn't have problems A, B, and C that Brawl had, while the other side says it'll be bad because it doesn't have feature X, Y, or Z that Melee did. Neither argument is necessarily true, and the only way to really get an answer is to get our hands on the game to see how it plays. But the same old back-and-forth continues because nobody wants to wait, and also because without it, the Smash 4 boards would be pretty dead outside of Jabbathehutt's repeated attempts to hype a Wario POTD reveal.

This is hands down the best post I have seen on this part of the boards.

 

[SmashBro99]

That would be awesome, would shut up all the tryhard melee kids :D

Then again if it isn't deemed worthy then they will just stick to melee and the bad brawl hack game, which is ok too

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

If yes, then choosing to play Melee / Project M / Smash 4 would turn into a matter of preference, not "my game is objectively better than your game competitively so f*** YOUR game, man."

As it should be.

 

[D-idara]

"Waaahhhh!! Stop disliking what I like!"

You are a prime example of the people I'm talking about, thanks for proving my point.

 

[The Slayer]

• In tournaments, with all of the characters well-balanced, we'll no longer have to see boring matches (Such as vs in Melee & vs in Brawl)! Which explains why I rarely watch Melee and Brawl tournaments.

You watched a couple of Evolutions (This year's Evo GF singles surely wasn't mirrored) and major Melee tournaments right? There hasn't been a grand lot of Fox mirror lately. I don't mind Smash 4 being distinguished at top rankings, but please don't spread misinformation like that. And even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Smash 4 suffers from mirrors as well. More or less, it can happen.

 

[D-idara]

You watched a couple of Evolutions (This year's Evo GF singles surely wasn't mirrored) and major Melee tournaments right? There hasn't been a grand lot of Fox mirror lately. I don't mind Smash 4 being distinguished at top rankings, but please don't spread misinformation like that. And even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Smash 4 suffers from mirrors as well. More or less, it can happen.

Bowser dittos is far more exciting than Fox dittos, though.

 

[Yodude57]

Bowser dittos is far more exciting than Fox dittos, though.

Definitely agree. Especially exciting when a lot of that was happening in the 3ds smash tournament. Bowser for high tier!

 

[The21stSmasher]

You watched a couple of Evolutions (This year's Evo GF singles surely wasn't mirrored) and major Melee tournaments right? There hasn't been a grand lot of Fox mirror lately. I don't mind Smash 4 being distinguished at top rankings, but please don't spread misinformation like that. And even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Smash 4 suffers from mirrors as well. More or less, it can happen.

I watched it, and yes I been noticed that. Plus, spreading misinformation wasn't my intention AT ALL, so please don't say that! I'm just saying. Battles like I've mentioned even with the high tier characters can be repetitive at times. That's all.

 

[RanserSSF4]

Bowser dittos is far more exciting than Fox dittos, though.

Pretty much true. You don't see that many ditto matches with characters that aren't used that much in other smash games, regardless if it's competitive or not.

 

[κomıc]

I thought Brawl was a great competitive game.

I'm most concerned of competition enthusiasts banning Custom-Movesets even though such feature adds another layer of depth to the game and allows us players to manufacture a moveset that fits our style of play.

 

[RanserSSF4]

IMO, I think the game will be competitive regardless of how much negative responses there are for the game at the moment. I was still convinced it will be after the SDCC tournament finals and grand finals. If it does end up being a great competitive game, that's great, but I'll play it competitively regardless of flaws along with Project M.

 

[Strong Badam]

I'd be so happy.