What are the worst customs?

[ChaikaBestGirl]

Been fooling around with customs and noticed how some are pretty terrible, but what are definitively the worst ones?

 

[wedl!!]

spinphony.
lazy shuttle loop.
nayru's rejection.
wakie wakie.
almost all of the up-b's with no hitboxes.
the popgun which only explodes.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I've recalled hearing that Warlock Thrust is among the worst custom moves in the game, as it offers nothing rewarding at all; increased speed is not worth it if the attack packs a lot less power, AND has no super armor.

 

[Axel311]

Jiggs has some awful customs.

 

[Opossum]

I agree. Most of Jigglypuff's customs are outright awful.

 

[ChaikaBestGirl]

Jiggs has some awful customs.

The jumping rest one is pretty fun

 

[Xandercosm]

I feel bad for Jiggs: Terrible character, no customs to back her up.

 

[ChaikaBestGirl]

I feel bad for Jiggs: Terrible character, no customs to back her up.

I dont see how jiggly is bad at all, sure she aint top tier but she isnt bottom either

 

[Duplighost]

The jumping rest one is pretty fun

I don't understand the point of this one. I assumed it was for recovery, but you can't grab the ledge when you use it.

What uses does it have?

 

[Steelballray]

All customs are the worst custom.

But for real, the customs that are just a slower stronger version or a weaker faster version are the ones that lack creativity the most and so they are the worst in my opinion.

 

[Objekshin]

Fox's customs are not exactly good, but his third up-b custom is a really good killer.

 

[ChaikaBestGirl]

I don't understand the point of this one. I assumed it was for recovery, but you can't grab the ledge when you use it.

What uses does it have?

you can hit people who are in the air with the rest, pretty sure the hitbox for it is active until you reach the peak of the jump

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I agree. Most of Jigglypuff's customs are outright awful.

Pound Blitz does seem to be useful with its multi-hitting properties. It's not as easy to shield-grab, and it also seems to help Jigglypuff's horizontal recovery.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Dedede's are pretty miserable. None of them help his many shortcomings at all.

 

[_gold_]

Just to list a few customs which I've noticed are horrendous:

• Lazy Shuttle Loop - Meta Knight
• Nayru's Rejection - Zelda
• Spinphony - Jigglypuff (seriously?)

 

[Networker1]

Fox's laser custom that makes it like falco's......... except you have to wait for him to put the gun away EVERY SINGLE SHOT!!

 

[Xandercosm]

I dont see how jiggly is bad at all, sure she aint top tier but she isnt bottom either

I don't know. Maybe I just haven't played against any good Jigglies...

 

[David Wonn]

I have messed around with almost all of the game's custom moves, and can usually find situations where custom specials can be handy, albeit situational. However, one default move in particular stands out to me more so than most others:

Even in solo offline modes, I cannot find any good reason to replace Wario's neutral B. With any of his alternatives, he not only loses his ability to eat his own bike / parts, but he also loses his ability to self-heal. Does anyone see a case to modify his already versatile neutral?

 

[ChaikaBestGirl]

I don't know. Maybe I just haven't played against any good Jigglies...

I definitely know what a bad Jiggly is, but the good ones that actually land the rest and kill you at 50% or bair you and kill you at 70% are really tough to beat

 

[Nona]

The customs for the DLC characters

Serious answer: I don't know if any of Zelda's ^B customs are worth using over her default.

 

[NitrusVirus]

Idk I feel like the customs kinda got shafted anyway. Its always like, a normal move, a move that guys fast and doesnt do damage, and a slow move that hits hard.

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

Probably one of the worst to me is Marth/Lucina's Effortless Blade. There's only one combo type now, and what's the point of being able to wait longer between moves if that means it won't combo? Additionally, they can normally use the first swing of side B multiple times to recover, and making the side B able to wait longer between moves means that they will probably use the full combo when they're trying to recover. Simply awful, I tell you!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Effortless Blade isn't "that" bad though, but I guess it's one man's opinion at that point.

Speaking of which, Catch & Release is pretty awful, since you're giving up the ability to counter projectiles for an attack that hardly has any reward when it does connect with your opponent.

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

Catch & Release is pretty bad in any matchups against someone with projectiles, but in matchups like Captain Falcon, it could be slightly useful. I do agree it's the worst of her down B options, but I don't think it's terrible.

Back on topic, I also find Donkey Kong's Chopper Kong awful, not just because it's heavily outclassed by the other options, but because there's only one small advantage, a slight gain in height, to counter its loss of horizontal recovery and hitboxes. At least with Bowser's Flying Fortress, it goes much higher than normal to make up for its loss of horizontal recovery...

 

[MarioMeteor]

I feel bad for Jiggs: Terrible character, no customs to back her up.

Keep your sorrow to yourself. She's far from terrible. Her customs, however, cause me physical pain.
From my experience, the worst custom moves include, but are not limited to:
Fire Orb/Mega Capsule
Clothesline Cyclone/Tornado
Heavy Veggies
Launch Star Attack
Warlock Thrust
Effortless Blade
Spinphony
Falco Phase
Unyielding Blade
Dedede Storm
Ice Breath
Shotgun Cannon or Shot or whatever it is that useless Charge Shot custom is called.

I don't understand the point of this one. I assumed it was for recovery, but you can't grab the ledge when you use it.

What uses does it have?

It's the only Rest that you can combo into, so it serves as a somewhat situational KO move. It's actually really fun to use.

 

[Duplighost]

It's the only Rest that you can combo into, so it serves as a somewhat situational KO move. It's actually really fun to use.

Does it only hit at the ground, or even in the air?

 

[MarioMeteor]

Does it only hit at the ground, or even in the air?

There is no grounded hitbox, that's why it's called Leaping Rest. It lasts until Jigglypuff reaches the apex of her jump. It's like Rising Dedede on steroids.

 

[xDizxy]

As a bowser jr main, I think he has the worst customs so far.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

As a bowser jr main, I think he has the worst customs so far.

Koopa Drift isn't all that bad, since even though it packs less power, it's harder to shield-grab. But I will say that Koopa Meteor is quite awful for recovery, since it heavily slows down Bowser Jr.'s horizontal movement, and the move doesn't have any hitboxes before the Koopa Clown Car explodes.

 

[Paxadin]

Honestly, the worst customs are every customs except for Mii fighters and Palutena.
They're the only 2 characters with actual unique customs instead of slight variations of the normal one.

Utility wise though, Zelda's are pretty awful except for maybe one.
Shield break on the phantom is pretty nice.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Honestly, the worst customs are every customs except for Mii fighters and Palutena.
They're the only 2 characters with actual unique customs instead of slight variations of the normal one.

Utility wise though, Zelda's are pretty awful except for maybe one.
Shield break on the phantom is pretty nice.

That's quite ironic to say when you consider that some custom specials are actually "better" than the defaults. Dark Fists is a perfect example of this.

 

[Paxadin]

That's quite ironic to say when you consider that some custom specials are actually "better" than the defaults. Dark Fists is a perfect example of this.

I don't quite understand. I don't think I implied that the originals were better than the customs for every character.

The first part of the my post was my opinion about customs not being unique except for 2 characters, and the second part was my opinion that Zelda had some pretty awful customs.

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

To add another, Distant Nosferatu. It's not awful, but it's a direct downgrade. Instead of increasing the range, it just moves it away, and it becomes less effective at that. It's hard to space properly, and if you overreach your opponent, you're eating a hard punish.

 

[Raijinken]

Any of Marth/Lucina's easy mode moves. As if Dancing Blade was somehow hard to use.

 

[David Wonn]

Jiggs has some awful customs.

For Crazy Orders, I actually modify most of her specials. Pound Blitz, Relentless Rollout, and Leaping Rest all aid in getting that critical First Striker invincibility prior to clearing tickets with the bat.

As a bowser jr main, I think he has the worst customs so far.

Again in Crazy Orders, I switch his specials to Air Cannon and Impatient Mechakoopa. Both are very handy in landing the First Striker invincibility.

I still see no purpose to modify Wario's default neutral special, regardless of competitive or solo mode play.

 

[Raijinken]

For Crazy Orders, I actually modify most of her specials. Pound Blitz, Relentless Rollout, and Leaping Rest all aid in getting that critical First Striker invincibility prior to clearing tickets with the bat.



Again in Crazy Orders, I switch his specials to Air Cannon and Impatient Mechakoopa. Both are very handy in landing the First Striker invincibility.

I still see no purpose to modify Wario's default neutral special, regardless of competitive or solo mode play.

I agree on Wario's, and while I think Jiggly has some bad customs, I don't think they're all useless.

And I must say, I like all three cannon variants for Jr, prefer the meteor ejection (though default is amazing), and always take giant mechakoopa when I can.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I can probably think of a couple custom special moves that are just not worth it...

• Super Jump: Move really isn't any better than Super Jump Punch.
• Chopper Kong: Not really an improvement over Spinning Kong, since horizontal movement is hindered.
• Quickfire Bow: Quick charge is offset by poor range, making it quite useless as a whole.
• Warlock Thrust: Increased speed is ruined by dealing a lot less knockback, and has no super armor.
• Dark Vault: Much worse than Dark Dive, which is quite bad itself.
• Garlic Breath: Hardly worth using with its inability to grab opponents.
• Catch & Release: Sacrifices the ability to counter projectiles for an attack that's not very rewarding at all.
• Spinphony: Has no reward whatsoever.
• Stomp: Only travels downwards, and takes a while to execute, making it quite predictable to deal with.

There are probably more, but those are probably the most obvious of the bunch.

 

[AGreatProcrastinator]

Surprised no one's mentioned Palutena's Heavenly Light yet. Has some use for it been discovered?

 

[David Wonn]

^

Heavenly Light is by far the most useful custom move for both Trophy Rush and 100% staff credits in Classic Mode. It also makes First Striker invincibility a breeze in Crazy Orders.

 

[Nona]

Surprised no one's mentioned Palutena's Heavenly Light yet. Has some use for it been discovered?

@ D David Wonn covered the really good points for HL, and I think it might have some use stealing KO's and in 2v2's with team attack on.