Waveland sighted: Possible hope for a new movement tech? YOU DECIDE

[The MC Clusky]

At 5:02, after Megaman hits Mario with the Leaf we have what suspiciously looks like a waveland when Mario hits the ground, or something similar. Of course, we already know the Brawl Air Dodge has been confirmed, so quite frankly this leads to a ton of speculation.

Discuss theories and what possibilities we have here.

Also, if any can make a gif or something to study it further, PLEASE DO!

 

[Gardex]

Looked like insanely short landing lag to me

 

[Chiroz]

Holy **** that looked fast it looks like there is 0 landing lag when you land from idle animation.

 

[Orngeblu]

It looked like he hit the ground, no lag, and started a dash right after that.

 

[DefenseTech]

Discuss that announcer...

Looks strange, I wouldnt be calling out / naming techs this early

 

[Stratocaster]

http://www.yourepeat.com/watch/?v=Iktxi6tPBPw&start_at=302&end_at=303

Like other have said, it looks like there may be no lag from landing, this looks like a pretty much instant dash after landing.

 

[SmurdeR]

Not sure what this means:

 

[Gardex]

Was he drifting towards or away from the stage while airdodging?

 

[SmurdeR]

here's a better look https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/e-...tYGSXwOy0UHwnqK6lsAGl-pDBUPfmyy7YsMmqdSkEWmkw

 

[killazys]

It's a land and then instant dash. I can post frame by frame once my internet starts working properly again

Here's the link: http://gifmaker.me/PlayFrameAnimation.php?folder=2013061317n271yeV4TR6xyPqn1Fnqrs

Also what SmurdeR posted looks like an edgecancel like in Melee.

 

[darth meanie]

Who was playing as Mario? Sakurai was Mega Man, I'm not sure if the Mario player knew about any advanced techniques, if he had used them.

 

[The World Warrior]

Interesting.

 

[Mr.C]

He simply fell through the platform then dashed once he landed.

 

[Mithost]

It still seems like there is less landing lag than Brawl, and the air dodge made mario slide a bit on the ledge there. It doesn't look like brawl. There is no directional air dodge, but maybe natural momentum affects the landing after an air dodge.

 

[DakotaBonez]

I thought it strange that they were able to dash immediately after landing, I doubt it will involve a complicated controller input though.

 

[TL?]

Interesting catch. Most of the time he does the forward air, it very clearly has landing lag though. Perhaps the move itself just recovers quickly and he's landing after the move has completed.

 

[D. Disciple]

He edge canceled

 

[BTmoney]

It's a land and then instant dash. I can post frame by frame once my internet starts working properly again

Here's the link: http://gifmaker.me/PlayFrameAnimation.php?folder=2013061317n271yeV4TR6xyPqn1Fnqrs

Also what SmurdeR posted looks like an edgecancel like in Melee.

doesn't this depend on the rate the original recording device (camera) recorded this at? Although I hope that's accurate

 

[killazys]

You're right, it definitely does depend on the camera used. If it were a real recording camera, it should have been 60fps interlaced and my source is progressive 30fps meaning a standard deinterlace took place. Proper deinterlacing using field blending shouldn't lose frame-by-frame data. Of course, with a phone all of this goes out the window and who knows..

 

[_R@bid_]

If normal landing has no landing lag I'll be so happy. Extra mobility options should really help ensure this game is faster and more exciting to play as.

 

[BTmoney]

If normal landing has no landing lag I'll be so happy. Extra mobility options should really help ensure this game is faster and more exciting to play as.

No landing lag at all gives you an awkward game with ridiculous punishment and an overly zealous and harsh environment (i.e. Smash 64).
That being said I like smash 64 and I think it'd be about perfect, speed wise, if it was toned down and added the new necessary technology or elements. 64 pace with Melee physics and a better defensive game (recovery possibly, OOS, SDI, DI etc.) sounds good to me.

Smash 4 right now is looking like it's going to be around 64 pace likely with less touch->death punishes.

 

[_R@bid_]

I was talking about from normal fall, not after aerials.

 

[[Corn]]

Look like Mario recovered from an airdodge whilst falling slightly backwards, ended up in his standing animation while falling off the ledge.

This is nothing like a waveland.

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

Given the fact that L-canceling was present in the Brawl E3 demo, I wouldn't be calling out techs as of now.

 

[Lance87]

At 5:02, after Megaman hits Mario with the Leaf we have what suspiciously looks like a waveland when Mario hits the ground, or something similar. Of course, we already know the Brawl Air Dodge has been confirmed, so quite frankly this leads to a ton of speculation.

Discuss theories and what possibilities we have here.

Also, if any can make a gif or something to study it further, PLEASE DO!

Forget 5:02, check out 5:10. Looks like he wavedashes behind megaman!

 

[BTmoney]

Given the fact that L-canceling was present in the Brawl E3 demo, I wouldn't be calling out techs as of now.

Lmao are you serious?

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

Lmao are you serious?

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/gimpyfishs-brawl-impressions-brawl-talk-episode-1-added.121329/

scroll down to "advanced techs" demos and engines are subject to change.

 

[Wumbo105]

What controllers were they using to play anyway? That's what I'm interested in.

 

[Chiroz]

Forget 5:02, check out 5:10. Looks like he wavedashes behind megaman!

You mean when he rolls?

 

[Lance87]

You mean when he rolls?

Nope. He rolls > uses flood > flood disappeared > wavedash

 

[Chiroz]

Nope. He rolls > uses flood > flood disappeared > wavedash

No, he rolls > uses flood > rolls again. Look at how he puts his hands on the floor and his body does a full flip.

 

[Lance87]

Broseph. Are we talking about the same segment? He stays facing left, dips to the ground like he's wavedashing. How do people not see this?

 

[Chiroz]

Rolls stay facing the same side. He doesn't dip, he flips, look at that segment over and over and pay attention to his hat. (It's a bit hard to see because he goes through Megaman but just look at his hat).