Wavedash mechanics

[beencake]

hopefully some one can inform me, ive been wondering if weight/ gravity has any effect on wavedashs utility, or if it has any effect on the wavedash in general what so ever.

 

[CloneHat]

I don't think so, as air dodging cancels all your momentum.

It all depends on jump and air dodge speeds.

 

[beencake]

i dunno its hard to tell because, apparently fox and samus require the same amount of frame to leave the ground after jumping ( 3 ) but there wavedash's are blatantly different, cant figure out why.

 

[Xyzz]

Weight / time till airborne after hitting jump is not affecting the wavedash, airdodging speed (isn't the speed of the airdodge pretty constant anyways? The only difference I know is that for example Peachs airdodge goes pretty far in comparision to other characters) neither as far as I know.

The maximum length of wavedashing is varying from character to character base on "traction", which is also used to determine how far a character will glide away when hit. If you want a clear difference look at for example Peach (very high traction => very short distance gain from WD) and Luigi (very low traction => goes very far).
Difference in utility is pretty obvious. If your wavedash takes you further, you can avoid attacks in more situations, then if it would be very short. Also some characters tend to use it as a means of general transportation, since if it takes you very far and your run speed is low it can be as fast / faster (ICs etcpp come to mind)

 

[Signia]

Peach and Zelda's airdodges have less recovery frames. This means they also recover from their wave dashes faster, making WD OoS safer and potentially leaving them at advantage, though they don't go very far.

Most characters' wavedashes are faster than their normal run if you angle the wavedashes properly.

 

[_Xanatos_]

Maybe you're just imagining things. Samus and Fox have nearly identical wavedashes. They both leave the ground after 3 frames and Samus goes only slightly further due to less traction.

If you wavedash close enough to frame perfect, there should be very little difference.
If you don't airdodge immediately after jumping, jump heights can come into play and affect how high you go before you airdodge.

Fox's ground jump goes only slightly higher than Samus's whereas his short hop is much smaller than Samus's. Short hop height would only matter if you short hopped all your airdodges AND you didn't airdodge close enough to frame perfect.

Also, dashing speed can affect presentation of wavedash. If you wavedash out of a dash, the dash may appear to add a little distance.

 

[Hydro_Smasher]

Traction of the charects?

ie ICs and Luigi

 

[Zodiac]

yes, traction...there you go, generally the floatier you get the longer the wavedash, case closed

 

[beencake]

i can WD with samus perfectly every time but not with fox to save my life, im not imagining anything if i can Wd with samus perfectly i should be able to with fox dosent make any sense.

 

[Xyzz]

Floatiness isn't really that much of a deciding factor. Traction is traction, falling speed is falling speed.

here's (a really brief) explanation to traction and a sorted list of the cast going from highest to lowest.
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Traction

and a sorted list of falling speed (scroll down a bit ), if anyone cares to draw correlations between traction and falling speed :D
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Falling_speed

edit: if you can't WD with fox but you can on Samus, make sure you aren't trying to hard (pressing the air dodge before leaving the ground, because you might feel that it's needed to press faster). Or you might be a bit late with samus, because Samus will rise pretty slow, so you airdodge slightly above the ground (maybe even at a point where it's barely - if at all - noticeable), where most of the airdodge will still be converted into horizontal movement. But with fox being a bit late, he'll be a lot higher then samus (in that case, hit the r button closer to the jump )

 

[Ripple]

Peach and Zelda's airdodges have less recovery frames. This means they also recover from their wave dashes faster, making WD OoS safer and potentially leaving them at advantage, though they don't go very far.
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this is incorrect. everyone suffers from 10 (8?) frames of lag after a wavedash because its considered a hard landing

 

[Mooo]

yes, traction...there you go, generally the floatier you get the longer the wavedash, case closed

puff and peach are pretty floatie, yet have big traction. fox is extremely unfloaty but has a pretty decent wavedash. the marios have above average wd's but are perfectly normal in the floatyness.
imo traction doesnt necessarily change with floatyness.

 

[Anthon1996]

Floatiness isn't really that much of a deciding factor. Traction is traction, falling speed is falling speed.

here's (a really brief) explanation to traction and a sorted list of the cast going from highest to lowest.
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Traction

and a sorted list of falling speed (scroll down a bit ), if anyone cares to draw correlations between traction and falling speed :D
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Falling_speed

edit: if you can't WD with fox but you can on Samus, make sure you aren't trying to hard (pressing the air dodge before leaving the ground, because you might feel that it's needed to press faster). Or you might be a bit late with samus, because Samus will rise pretty slow, so you airdodge slightly above the ground (maybe even at a point where it's barely - if at all - noticeable), where most of the airdodge will still be converted into horizontal movement. But with fox being a bit late, he'll be a lot higher then samus (in that case, hit the r button closer to the jump )

I know this is off topic, but....EWW!! Wikia is HORRIBLE!! Hopefully you know that SmashWiki has moved to become its own independent wiki.

 

[beencake]

basically if your him your him.