Villains Mafia - Bad enough dudes! - ENDGAME - HERO + RAM VICTORY!

[praline]

Well **** you all I wanted the full victory for my final game. Good thing town is losing probably

 

[vaanrose]

why? vaanrose asked me to burn polly, i just went through with him :V

I didn't tho.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

No more Stains in this game :V

 

[redfeatherraven]

Well **** you all I wanted the full victory for my final game. Good thing town is losing probably

Now now.

Come on back to the party.

 

[Natz~]

I didn't tho.

ya said burning polly was a good idea :V

and that ya might have me burn yellow or ram as well

and i said i'll burn whoever ya gave me as a final target, if none i'll just follow through with burning polly

 

[Coricus]

Bad news: We STILL haven't killed a hero.

Good news: Oh hey, redirecting one roleblocker onto the other and letting Praline sit there cooking with the spot worked. Also OH HEY UNIVERSAL THREAT IS DEAD.

Making me nervous news:

uhhhhhhhhh

 

[vaanrose]

ya said burning polly was a good idea :V

and that ya might have me burn yellow or ram as well

and i said i'll burn whoever ya gave me as a final target, if none i'll just follow through with burning polly

I said I was gonna repossess from Apollo. This ain't a good look, Katt.

 

[vaanrose]

We do what Opossum would have wanted. Tie the three lynchproofs again, with one more person for a 4 way tie. One of those lynchproofs is likely a one-shot.

 

[A Distant Demon]

. . .so did we ever have a town vig or was I probably wrong about Apollo, or do we just not have a town vig?

Because honestly im going to be a little mad if Apollo is town and of 2 things I was sure of I was wrong about one. . .


i could very well be forgetting a role since so many have died already

 

[A Distant Demon]

well i'll start. Let's make this look like a weapon triangle shall we?

Im sure at least one of them isnt town. Probably both
Vote: ramone

 

[Coricus]

We do what Opossum would have wanted. Tie the three lynchproofs again, with one more person for a 4 way tie. One of those lynchproofs is likely a one-shot.

All Opo wanted was for us to narrow down who is and isn't a threat.

Lynchproof really doesn't sound like a Mafia ability to me even as a one-shot, but I'll OK it on one condition: You have to be the fourth player.

Thirsting for as much death as possible on day start without caring who? Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Natz~]

sigh whatever

Vote:zeb

 

[A Distant Demon]

Oh hey, redirecting one roleblocker onto the other

Also as one of the ex-communicated players. . .

Does this mean that the person last nigth I talked into roleblocking praline didnt have a choice in the end

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, things we can tell from this:
-KoP might be a mafia roleblocker and it's possible there's no Town version
-Apollo is likely legit
-WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY LYNCHPROOFS GODDAMNIT JUST KILL THEM ALL

 

[Coricus]

Actually

@RamOne Yellowlord

You guys up for this for another go, or you wanna chat about it?

 

[vaanrose]

All Opo wanted was for us to narrow down who is and isn't a threat.

Lynchproof really doesn't sound like a Mafia ability to me even as a one-shot, but I'll OK it on one condition: You have to be the fourth player.

Thirsting for as much death as possible on day start without caring who? Put your money where your mouth is.

It's hardly possible they're all one-shot lynchproof so most of them would survive, and it was Opossum's idea in the first place.

You wanna kill the role cop, that's your prerogative. You gave my role away to Shish on night one even though I defended you, and then you worked with him to neuter my ability. And tonight I was prevented from fulfilling my role by the one person I told my target to.

 

[Yellowlord]

Actually

@RamOne Yellowlord

You guys up for this for another go, or you wanna chat about it?

In what sense? :o

 

[Natz~]

It's hardly possible they're all one-shot lynchproof so most of them would survive, and it was Opossum's idea in the first place.

You wanna kill the role cop, that's your prerogative. You gave my role away to Shish on night one even though I defended you, and then you worked with him to neuter my ability. And tonight I was prevented from fulfilling my role by the one person I told my target to.

you said it was a good idea! i have the pm!

-reads through it-
.........................okay never mind all ya said was that he was defintlly suspicous and nothing else....katts an idiot, i still asked ya for a final target and got nothing

also what ya mean by prevented? all i did was role block and jail polly, ya still should of gone through

 

[Natz~]

In what sense? :o

try lynch between ya ram and zeb

 

[Deleted member]

Swamp Sensei
If you want respect, I can give a lot to you.
Here is my respect!

What in Hannah Barbara's lacy undergarments is THAT supposed to mean?!?
​

I.... uh...... have several questions about this statement.​

 

[vaanrose]

you said it was a good idea! i have the pm!

-reads through it-
.........................okay never mind all ya said was that he was defintlly suspicous and nothing else....katts an idiot, i still asked ya for a final target and got nothing

also what ya mean by prevented? all i did was role block and jail polly, ya still should of gone through

By jailing him it prevents any other skills from affecting him, mine included.

 

[Natz~]

By jailing him it prevents any other skills from affecting him, mine included.

....what?

 

[vaanrose]

....what?

You skill blocks all actions attempted by and on someone.

 

[Coricus]

What sucks is that despite me being confirmed town, NO ONE CONTACTED ME LAST PHASE UNTIL OPO DID AT THE LAST MINUTE.

AND HE LITERALLY JUST DROPPED RED'S CLEARED/SUSPECT LIST THAT WAS A DAY OUT OF DATE AND LEFT.

How am I supposed to do an educated anything like this??

 

[Natz~]

You skill blocks all actions attempted by and on someone.

...i do?
-checks- HOLY **** I DO I'M A SUPER JAIL

.....whelp i just unintentionally ruined everything, mother ******

 

[Yellowlord]

try lynch between ya ram and zeb

Oh, well... I suppose we could try that?

 

[Z25]

The thread title is amazing!

Thanks Oxy Clean!

 

[vaanrose]

...i do?
-checks- HOLY **** I DO I'M A SUPER JAIL

.....whelp i just unintentionally ruined everything, mother ******

Oh, Katt. I remember your role better than you do. It'd be endearing if it weren't so exasperating.

 

[Deleted member]

I thought it said "Stalin Remover" for a quick second.

Swamp Sensei 's ancestor killed Stalin confirmed?

 

[vaanrose]

Oh, well... I suppose we could try that?

Yellow, have you tried to use your other ability yet?

 

[Natz~]

Oh, Katt. I remember your role better than you do. It'd be endearing if it weren't so exasperating.

sory....

 

[Yellowlord]

Yellow, have you tried to use your other ability yet?

At this point, no: not yet.

 

[Deleted member]

Now now.

Come on back to the party.

I am back, so hopefully you are happy as well.

 

[vaanrose]

At this point, no: not yet.

Why not? We're on day four.

 

[Yellowlord]

Why not? We're on day four.

I've been mixed between being busy and stressed out outside of the boards this past week. I'm doing better now at the end of the week here, but that's why I haven't used it yet.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

"Sigh"

I really can't do much else to prove my role and alignment. You'll just have to take my word for it, I guess.

I find it very hard to believe that we have any lynchproofs on the mafia, along with two other lynchproofs in the game, making for three total, which in itself barely makes any sense.

Is there any chance the tie involving a lynchproof causes that player to share that power with the other chosen victims, causing everyone in the tie to become lynchproof? (Probably not, but that's seriously the only other option I can think of, here).

 

[A Distant Demon]

Just as a minor factoid i forgot until KoP just posted

i made a promise and im keeping it. Im going to go ahead and support the claim that KoP is innocent, now that praline has flipped non-town.

I asked KoP to roleblock praline and allegedly (according to KoP at least) opo also thought they were a good target.

Unfortunately it seems KoP didnt have a choice but they did say they would roleblock praline before the phase endee and praline is dead so. . .

Promise: kept

 

[vaanrose]

Alright, I know we can logic our way through this. We just need to follow the paper trail.

Let's side aside Holder and Cori, they're basically confirmed town through Red's riddle. GRC has his role revealed as town, so I'll set him aside, too. And presuming Ura is the same as he was when he died, we'll set him aside, too.

That leaves ten of us, myself included. Three of which are lynchproof. I still think it's worth testing if one of them is a one-shot lynchproof, but if you guys don't want to test that, then that leaves the seven of us.

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I'll start with myself. I have only one ability, and that's the ability to take someone else's second ability for a night. This is justified by my character, Mr. Potter, a banker, repossessing the ability. I think the specific wording here is important because it lends credence to my character claim being legitimate. The person's role isn't stolen. It isn't borrowed or disabled. It's repossessed.

And if you look back in the thread, you'll see Shish and Praline use this exact wording, before I'd ever publicly stated I could take someone's ability.

I can confirm this actually, since me and praline were linked, my second ability got repossessed and it says I won't be able to use it next Night.

Do you know who has the repossess ability?

I used this ability to prove that @Shishœ was indeed the linker, but the fact that both of them knew the proper term anyway should also help prove his roleclaim. I also can verify that Shish's first ability is the hider ability, because of the fact that he hid behind Golden on night 1, and I received Golden's ability when redirected to Shish by Cori. Unfortunately given that Golden's ability was immediately made known to the group by his death, this is the claim you'll simply have to trust my word on, but Cori was in on this plan, so she can somewhat verify it.

It's because of this that Shish is the only unconfirmed townie I'll vouch for completely.

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So we'll move on next to Natz~ . She's now proven her ability is jailing, and not just a form of rolestopping. On night 1, Shiny was unable to send anyone his "Waah" card, which on its own doesn't prove the jailing claim, but last night I was unable to repossess Apollo's role. This establishes her skill as not roleblocking or rolestopping, but specifically stopping all actions committed by and to the player. The only thing we haven't proven is her ability to save someone from death from jailing, an action which is inherently risky to test given the claimed 50/50 nature of her ability.

From here things get fuzzier for me, as I haven't directly interacted very much with any of the remaining four players. But we're down to the minimum number for a mafia. This is also why I believe one of the lynchproof to be mafia, as I don't believe the remaining four all are. Or at least, that they all started as mafia.

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I believe KingofPhantoms has proven he can roleblock, at the very least, given the nature of Praline's death. Crusher's role flavor says he'd commit suicide if he couldn't pass on the spot, and it appears from praline's death flavor that he committed suicide. However, I'd argue, causing praline's death is still in the mafia's best interest. He claims he prevented Apollo from acting on night 2, but he did block Praline again on Night 1. Mafia roleblockers aren't unheard of, and considering Natz is the super jailer, I can see it.

@Kirby Dragons has stayed out of the game basically completely, only using his announcer ability to character claim; something, I might add, he waited to do until well after everyone else had character claimed.

@Apollo Justice was prevented from acting last night. He says he made no action on night 2, rather conveniently on the same night KingofPhantoms says he would have killed himself if he acted. This despite Shish attempting to get him to kill Zeb. And of course, on night one he killed Ura, who wasn't completely town, but also wasn't mafia.

Lastly we'll talk about @AEMehr. He's claimed that he needed to choose a senpai before night 1, and that his win condition is the same as his senpai's. Neither he nor his senpai have spoken up about WHO that is. He could have picked a mafia player. But I also have a feeling, based on the foreboding message in Swamp's post, that he may have picked Praline, and that's he's been set off by his death. Either way, he hasn't done anything productive or helpful for the town. But I also do not believe that even if he's mafia now, that he started out that way, meaning one of those lynchproof kiddos is back on my list.

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So, let's discuss them now.

@RamOne has claimed the windmill from Don Quixote. That's a bold fakeclaim to make, that's for certain, but that enough isn't reason to clear him. But what is is we've seen his first skill in action. He sent White a Nightmare, and White confirmed it in the main thread. So both his abilities are proven and I'm willing to tentatively declare him town.

Yellowlord has been quite inactive and has not proven what his second ability is. That's really all I can say regarding him.

And lastly we've got A Distant Demon , who not only claims lynchproof, but bulletproof as well. When Shish attempted to test his claim using Apollo, Apollo opted not to act, leaving us without definitive proof of his second ability. I do, however, find it a bit peculiar that Apollo opted not to shoot Zeb on the same night King claims he would have shot himself, and now Zeb is stepping forward to defend King's roleblock target as always being Praline, after Cori has claimed she redirected him that way.

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Since I'm making this long post anyway, I might as well offer my theory regarding the resurrection of @Ura, too. I think Red did it. His role flavor says he'd be awarded a new ability related to the solved riddle. And the only riddle he was able to solve in time was the one about doubles. Ura is now back playing his own double.

And discussing balance and how many of the remaining players could be mafia, I believe it may very well be just three or four. That might seem small for a game of this size, but the game also includes two doubled up roles clearly meant to function as red herrings, third parties in Waluigi and Stain, a random goon with no win condition until he finds his boss, and two roles in Mystique and Yandere-Chan that can potentially flop in either direction based on who they connected with.

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And that's that. The fact that I'm the role cop is out in the open, and I'm likely the next target for the mafia, so with this post I can say I'm content with my part in the game. I'll refrain from voting until the rest of you can join in and shed some further light to the events of the last few days.

 

[Natz~]

thats a good description of basically everything thats gone down...

so the list of suspects of the unconfrmed are king, kirby, apollo, aem, ram, yellow, and zeb.... and with all the red herrings and third parrties in this game it makes sense for there not to be much mafia... though in this high place game there has to be at least 4, there has to be more than standard with 8 additional players, so that means of the 7 there 4 of them are heros...

kirby while inactive and suspicious did use that annoucement, sure its....like....completly nothing, but it is a proven role and annoucer isn't typically a mafia ability, typically, their silence could be very well indication of who they are...defintally on the fence

aem is a third party, sure can flip flop but we don't even know how their ability even works, i think were good to go off getting them to speak on what their ability says and does

king...is teh only roleblocker left right? and praline wasn't part of town, that gives king a lotta leway in my eyes...plus if i'm following things right (which considering how well i have so far probably ****ing not) they caused pralines death...the chance of them being a hero mafia is low because of that...but ya not impossible...

polly....ya **** him, i don't see him town, hes sketchy and quiet, vig claim and all that crap yet refuses to shoot...

and then the tri lynchproofs...i don't know what to make heads of tails of it...

thats about what i got

 

[vaanrose]

king...is teh only roleblocker left right? and praline wasn't part of town, that gives king a lotta leway in my eyes...plus if i'm following things right (which considering how well i have so far probably ****ing not) they caused pralines death...the chance of them being a hero mafia is low because of that...but ya not impossible...

He's claiming praline's death. Or more specifically, Zeb is claiming praline's death on his behalf.

Except Cori redirected King to praline. In the end there's no way to prove he did it of his own volition as well.