Vids of MK Vs Snake/Marth .. Advice?

[KingAce]

Ok well these are some videos of me vs Ally (the best snake online) in a recent tournament in person. This is the winners finals of that tournament, I know that im dsmashing the shield a lot and getting punished for it but other then that any advice on what I can do to approach snake without getting hit by a nade or ftilt? running up and shielding doesnt always work against a good snake since they will usually either grab you or do the jab->ftilt combo which either pokes your shield/breaks it or just destroys your shield and pushes you far enough so that you cant even punish his ftilt.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZw7BViTqUY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90FvB5FH6NE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4s_X_aY_aM&feature=related

These are some videos of me vs NEO in losers finals at a tournament in buffalo. I am kinda confused as to what I should be doing to adjust in this matchup so any tips would be good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqaL4ivcgqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIB5Iu8GnCM

 

[grandmaster192]

Great games against NEO.

Against a Marth, your goal is to trap Marth. That's why your dtilt and grabs are important in that match up. You wanna keep Marth at a distance where you're in control, because he's gonna try and keep the positioning nuetral. Thhat way he can punish you accordingly with spaced pokes and the dancing blade.

What you want to do is get inside of him, which isn't all that hard. Grabs are really good for this. Once you're inside of him, the ONLY thing Marth can do is try and reset his spacing.

 

[Affinity]

Glad to see you're not spamming Shuttle Loop like crazy anymore

 

[Plairnkk]

You really gotta stop with the tornadoes, tornado is really really situational and punishable by a good player. The snake was alright, but you're going to get pummelled down here by MD/VA snakes if you can't beat this guy. You need to grab a snake A LOT if they like their grenades. Also when edgeguarding snake he should rarely ever get back to the level, once he's off it should be a done deal with up+bs, nairs and dairs. Also you need to f-tilt more, such a broken move

 

[Plairnkk]

I watched a bit more, you looked like you knew the concept of the edgeguarding just need to practice it a bit more, so good job with that.

Ummm also a little bit of advice when you grab snakes up+b on the edge like you did it's better to keep jabbing them as fast as u can so 1.) u get more damage in and 2.) it drops him lower and makes it much harder for him to c4 himself

 

[Anth0ny]

For the Marth matchup:

-Remember that MK's dtilt and the last strike of his ftilt outrange everything Marth has. Keep that in mind on the ground.

-Tornados, like Plank said, are situational against Marth. Marth has a couple of invincibility frames at the beginning of his upb, so as you saw, NEO was able to counter them with the upb out of sheild when you tried to approach on ground with tornado. Tornado is still tornado, it's still amazing, but against a Marth on the ground it may not be the best choice.

- Grabbing. I noticed a lot of times you had the opportunity to grab NEO, but stayed in sheild. I'm guessing you were waiting for the upb out of sheild, but there was still a lack of grabbing in your matches. Not a big deal, but there were definitely some opportunities where you could have punished with a nice down throw.

Ace, you got Marth's game down well. I'd say just watch how you use the tornadoes most of all. We should have a couple of matches are Rae's

As for Snake, I think Plank nailed it. Grab if he likes to nade spam and when that ****er is off the stage, keep him off the stage. We all know that MK's upb hits the cypher, allowing an easy recovery for MK.

 

[Clouderz]

get owned by ally more kthx, anywhoo, lemme watch some of the vids and see what coems to mind


the Luigi mansion match was pathetic to watch because all you did was tornado. Ok

Jungle japes match wasnt fun to watch either because all you did was camp



stop dsmashing snake

 

[KingAce]

lol clouderz gtfo, im not stupid i already put in the op that i know not to dsmash snake... and if your not a ***** then come to ch4 ill $100 mm you....

also yea plank im gonna start grab attacking snake at the edge instead since it puts him below , and then just dair him after hes off?

anthony ill have to play you a lot, gotta know this marth matchup a bit better .. although one question when marth is doing his dancing blade is it possible to just shield grab it in between or no?

 

[MDK00]

durin the first hit no
durin the 2nd, its possible (varies on the timing of how fast they do it)
durin the 3rd hit depends on distance
durin the 4th hit...
if he does the multi stab u can dash in grab (you have to be sharp w/ this)
if he does the fwd hit, u can punish with f-tilts or d-smash
if he does up hit, u can dash grab (i think?) or otherwise same as fwd hit

lol ace at some point ur goin to be stealin my style i can already see ur on that road...
but obviously u'll do it better then me

dont worry i'll crush u soon...

edit: u lost cuz u had no MDK support. thats wut u b!tches get for goin to a tourny and not invitin me

 

[Crizthakidd]

the last vid vs ally was good. hes a really fun snake to watch.

as for tips u need to grab a lot more and react faster. i know getting ***** by nades is hard to avoid but u cant just downsmash when thers one right obviously there

 

[Plairnkk]

i meant when u grab him out of his up+b so he can't up+b again just do ur attack as fast as possible... when he drops he still can't up+b but he also has a lot of trouble with c4ing, whereas if they just fly out of ur hand if u dont grabtap them its much easier to c4, more time and a better angle

 

[KingAce]

yea im gonna start grabbin snake a lot when he likes using his nades and i meant is it possible to shield grab marths dancing blade at any part of the attack or should i just up b out of shield since it has invincibility frames?