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Vids of me, please take a look

j00t

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Well, here's some vids of me. I think I finally got tired of losing to my friends. I want to atleast have good, close matches with them, but I just get fed up sometimes and lose my game. I'll just post one of me winning and one of me getting my butt absolutely kicked.

VS. Marth:

JWT (Fox) vs. Moogle (Marth) <-- Win.
JWT (Fox) vs. Moogle (Marth) <-- Lose

VS. Ganon:

JWT (Fox) vs. Sensai (Ganon) <-- Lose (The ending was somewhat funny, though disappointing)
JWT (Fox) vs. Sensai (Ganon) <-- Lose

VS. Peach:

JWT (Fox) vs. Moogle (Peach) <-- Lose

Ok, so I said I would post one of me winning and one of me losing. Too bad I only won 1 out of 39 matches! :<

Sorry if my tech skill wasn't on par with normal Fox players, I usually do a lot better in that department, but that was just one of my off nights.

Also, I know that my recovery game in general was GARBAGE. It usually is better, but eh, I just can't explain it.

Please give me advice on improving my game. Thanks.
 

slim87

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This pertains to the two ganon videos. I don't have much advice for you but it seemed to me that most times you went for the waveshine to u-throw>u-air he escaped. I saw you did a few waveshine up smashes and that seemed to work well. The only other thing I saw was that at the end of the 2nd video, you were getting block grabbed alot maybe try throwing in a shine after the shffl. Sorry that I'm not much help.
 

j00t

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Yeah, I don't know if i'm just slow in my transitions from up-throw to up-air, because it always seems that they escape and I don't know why they do escape.

I always try to shine after my shffls against Ganon, i'll watch the video again so I can see what you're talking about. Maybe I just flubbed the l-cancel or something. Like I said, I played a crappy technical game that night.

Thanks for the advice. :D
 

Shai Hulud

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I watched them all and you've improved since I saw you at that biweekly. I'd offer some advice but your Fox is still probably better than mine in all respects except maybe technical play. Moogle and Sensai are too good.
 

j00t

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Heh, next time I see you Shai, we should have a tech skill contest. I'd so win ;).... maybe. And then Silent Wolf comes in and destroys us both.
 

Shai Hulud

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Heh, next time I see you Shai, we should have a tech skill contest. I'd so win ;).... maybe. And then Silent Wolf comes in and destroys us both.
I can pretty much multishine 6 - 10 times on command and do everything with SHDL perfectly so I'd win on useless tech skill. :laugh:

But I SD > 1 time per match so...yeah. I try to do too much stupid **** in-game. My Fox is slowly getting smarter though...
 

j00t

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Eh, I haven't tried to practice multishining yet. It just doesn't look cool to me. So yeah, you'd win there. But do reverse waveshines -> shine shffl'd uairs.... now that's gravy train. :p

Anywho, if we're gonna continue this discussion, let's take it to PM or go to the other thread.... I still need advice here and I don't want it to look like we're spamming this thread.
 

Smilez

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The thing thats stuck out to me in the first Marth match was that your weren't sweet spotting the edge w/ the fire fox or forward "B" For me its a lot safer to do so. You were fire foxing above the stage and you were vulnerable(not too long b/c fox is a fast faller). The Marth didn't punish you for it but i think sweet spotting is the way to go.(Unless your trying to mix it up of course never be predictable.) I like to start the fire fox above the edge and then aim down towards the edge. If you do it right you should grab the edge and get your invincibility frames where you can now attack from the edge. If someone believes there is a flaw in this logic please correct me I'm not pretending to know everything but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this.
 

j00t

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You're right, but I already said in my first post that I knew my recovery was way too predictable and it just sucked all-around. Thanks for the advice, i'll be sure to pay attention to it next time I play.

Where's Scotu and Hylian and Shiz when you want them. *hums patiently*
 

SCOTU

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when i get home, dude, i can't critique vids while at work.
 

Rx-

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On the Marth ones, your recoveries were very predicable and repetitive (which is hard to avoid, especially in Fox vs Marth battles), and you and the Marth both had times where they would just sit around. Try to keep moving, even when your opponent has just fallen past the point of no return.
 

j00t

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Yeah, I already know my recovery stunk in the matches. I'll try to mix it up more.

Also, I realized that my general DI on the day of those matches was AWFUL. I'd appreciate suggestions on how to improve my DI.
 

SCOTU

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Alright, i'll give it a shot:
Against Marth: You need more grabs. uthrow>uair = win. If they DI it, a nair/ bair is better at low %s.
If the usmash isn't going to kill him waveshine into a grab>uthrow>uair instead. Does more damage, and has a better chance of killing (due to it's higher starting point). If a usmash would kill him, do that.
I have the same huge problem you do against marth. Spot dodging at tipper range. It never works. You either have to be really close (and hope they don't pivot grab you), or be really far away (in which case, there's no reason to dodge). And if you find yourself doing it anyway, follow with something that has more range than the shine, like a ftilt.
Waveshine>nair>more nairs/ usmash = win. use it more. I know you can.

Against Ganon: Uair juggle, Nair Juggle, Bair Juggle. Pretend he's an easier to combo marth, and you're good.
You basically want to hit him with a nair. Nairs combo into everything you'd ever want to combo into. Shines, Nairs, Usmashes, grabs, uairs, bairs all combo from nairs. If you land a shine, unless in position to infinite waveshine, you'll want to waveshine>nair.
I like to drillshine infinite ganon, but that's just because i spam the hell outta that infinite on lots and lots of characters.

Against Peach: Tough stage. Lasering is hard there. On other stages, SHL a ton more. I say SHL, cause you can run away better with it. Peach combos like ganon, except for less damage ranges. If a peach is on a platform above you, 90% of the time, they're going to dsmash if you jump. Either fake them out with a quick empty shffl, or if you feel it's right to jump with full guns a blazing, make sure you uair early (on the way up, so the 2nd hit is coming out as you're reaching her), and you aim for the center of her, with only your toes going through he platform. Full Hopped nairs beat float approaches, Bair is the only aerial that beats the dash attack.


General: You need a wider variety of movement. Try mixing shl/ shdl with Dash Dances pulsewalks, and circle jumps when at a medium range.
If you cross-up a shffl shine, i like to waveshine>dash dance grab, or pivot grab. Thats one of the best "mindgames" i have (so far).
If you uthrow someone towards a platform you know you can't uair them before they hit, try wavelanding on the platform (often provoking a getup attack if they missed a tech), drop through toward the center of the stage (so you're under the edge of the platform). If they tech/ roll toward you, uair. If they tech/ roll away, in place, or getup attack, bair them off the stage. (just thought of that now, dunno how well this actually works).
Your combos just need a better sense of direction. Make sure you know all the things that can follow up an attack. Pick your goal of the combo first (i.e. Usmash). and you've hit with a jab. you know, from seeing how they react to jabs, that they always spot dodge afterwards to avoid the jab. Dash dance away, drillshine after she dodges, say you land behind her. At this point, you had the direction of your combo down, you know a usmash will work here, so go ahead and use it. You also know, say, at this %, a usmash won't kill her, and that a nair combos into a usmash. Then waveshine into a nair>usmash.
Basically, you've got to think where you want to go with your combo (usmash KO), what directly combos into it (nair), and what steps you need to take to hit with that nair, and add enough damage along the way.
I've recently started using this mindset for comboing, and haven't perfected it yet, but it's improved my combo game a ton, i hope it'll help yours, and anyone else who reads this.

On DI: if you haven't already, read (fully) Doraki's guide on it. (I recently posted a link to it in Fox Q&A). But basically, just hold Up-Towards for any powerful horizontal move, and Horizontal and a little down on vertical sending moves. (this whole statement is generalized).

on my work schedule: it's every time during the week one would want to play smash (except weekends, mostly).

Good luck.

(please critique my fox if you have the time, thanks - see sig)
 

j00t

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Now this is the kind of advice i'm talkin about!

Thanks for that, scotu. I think I SHDL more on slower characters like Ganon because he's just too dang slow. If it's against an opponent like Marth or Peach, I wait until they're quite a good ways away before I start SHDL, then I switch to SHL when they get closer. If they're in attack range I usually do some dash dancing into an attack.

Personally I think i'm too aggressive. When I go in to attack, I freaking attack. I don't do empty shffl's and stuff, and that's a big problem that I have. *sighs* I'm an untamed kitty cat ready to grow into a lion. RARARWARWWRARWR. :3

Once again, thanks for the advice. I'll try to give you advice too. :D
 
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