Video sub-forum and Smash64 Backroom Poll

[DMoogle]

- Backroom (viewable by the public but they cannot post)
- Video forum (forum because if we get our own category in the main page it's no longer a "sub-forum")
- Our own category on the smashboards homepage
- A new mod to mod the new changes

I'm not against any of this, and I'm especially for having our own category on the main forum page.

While you're proposing changes, you should try to get them to change all Backrooms to "Backroom (viewable by the public but they cannot post)".

 

[asianaussie]

Character specific with new posts. Tournament without new posts. Heh.

Anyway, as long as the character specific forum isn't further divided (and just stands as is), it seems pretty good. You could probably submit this sort of idea without it being rejected out of hand.

 

[Skrlx]

Character specific with new posts. Tournament without new posts. Heh.

Anyway, as long as the character specific forum isn't further divided (and just stands as is), it seems pretty good. You could probably submit this sort of idea without it being rejected out of hand.

Yes my idea for the Character Specific is that we have a sub-forum made on the backroom and instead of OTHER sub-forums for all the other characters it's basically a sub-forum with all the names of the characters as stickied threads and backroom members can discuss. (all characters are on one page)

I guess something else could replace "Character Specific" on the main page because "Character Specific" is a sub-forum in the backroom

 

[MattNF]

character specific would be dumb

 

[firo]

I think deciding who will be allowed to post in the backroom may cause some issues. How are the posters chosen for the other BRooms?

 

[Xivii]

I think deciding who will be allowed to post in the backroom may cause some issues. How are the posters chosen for the other BRooms?

The mods of the BRoom decide whether or not an individual is BRoom material after the individual sends a request. They base it on quality and contribution to the boards. If you are an over all high quality poster and actively contribute it's made fairly obvious. The mods of the BRooms are usually aware of the people they accept before hand.

 

[killa k]

indivadual

individual*

Sorry, typos really bother me. On another note, I'm not too sure about a backroom because even though what infinite dreams said is right, there will always be those people that complain, saying that they think they deserve to be in the BRoom when they get denied. I'm all up for a video forum though .

 

[NixxxoN]

-Our own category in SWF index -- HELL YES... this has been demanded since long long ago

 

[Zantetsu]

-Our own category in SWF index -- HELL YES... this has been demanded since long long ago

Agreed, it's very pathetic that things such as "Arts and Entertainment" have their own category, but the original, very first smash game doesn't. I'll agree Smash64 is the most dead out of the 3 smash games, but it's still part of the 3 and it deserves as much credit as every other game.

 

[Darth Rancorous]

i like this.
i agree with having a character specific section even if im the one that has to manage the samus section but seriously, it would be helpful for new players.
i dont agree with having a backroom tho because, imo, people would be admitted based on other people vouching for them. for example, we all know isai is good, so he would be in, but for someone like me, who doesnt play online, how can anyone tell if im as good as i say i am?
and as far as a video section goes, this could be good. we can have character specific videos in the character specific section and then all other videos in the video section.
having the tournament section is pretty obvious.
and the ssb64 discussion section can be for anything that doesnt fit into the other categories

 

[MattNF]

Character specific forums would barely get any posts and would just wind up wasting space.

A better idea is a "character forum" with 12 threads, one for each character. or maybe 16 for giant dk, metal mario, master hand, and polygon characters

 

[DMoogle]

but for someone like me, who doesnt play online, how can anyone tell if im as good as i say i am?

By contributing to the other forums. If you make GOOD character guides and substantially contribute to discussion, then you'll probably get admitted.

 

[asianaussie]

How is a good character guide separated from a bad one?

I mean, there's the bad (eg. ones that give matchups and only using B moves as guidelines), then there's the 'for scrubs' (the majority). High level players don't need guides.

 

[DMoogle]

How is a good character guide separated from a bad one?

Good guides give good advice, bad guides give bad advice?

High level players don't need guides.

Not really a "guide" per se, but sometimes there are nuggets of information/strategy about a character that you never thought about before.

For example, I was looking at a Link guide a few months ago and learned that his d-tilt has great range and is useful to get your opponent back in the air after hitting him with u-tilt. A good guide will have useful pieces of information like this (where even a very good smasher might learn something new), a bad guide might advise bad (i.e. easily exploitable) strategy.

And mid-high level players who are looking to learn more characters might find them more useful as a "guide" too. Not everyone is a high level player or a scrub.

 

[Skrlx]

Character specific forums would barely get any posts and would just wind up wasting space.

A better idea is a "character forum" with 12 threads, one for each character. or maybe 16 for giant dk, metal mario, master hand, and polygon characters

MattNF, I already stated that in the backroom there would be a subforum called "Character Specific". In this subforum there would be 12 stickied threads dedicated to the characters.

 

[Deleted member]

whats the point of a backroom if the general noob population can see it

 

[DMoogle]

whats the point of a backroom if the general noob population can see it

For filtered discussion. Only very knowledgeable people can contribute to discussions.

What's the point of them NOT being able to see it?

 

[Deleted member]

noobs might get the wrong idea

and/or

they just make a noob thread in 64 general section discussing what we are talking about which kills the idea of the backroom

there's no point anyways then if its viewable since most of the "good" smashers actually are dumb about the game and will trick noobs like P D

 

[DMoogle]

noobs might get the wrong idea

What do you mean, and how will they NOT be getting the wrong idea if all that discussion is in the general Smash discussion forum?

and/or

they just make a noob thread in 64 general section discussing what we are talking about which kills the idea of the backroom

And they'll be doing that anyway. What's the difference? With a backroom, newbs (i.e. those who want to learn) will know that they should listen to a certain set of people over another set. That is, those who have established themselves as good players in this community.

there's no point anyways then if its viewable since most of the "good" smashers actually are dumb about the game and will trick noobs like P D

What?

Like I said before, I don't really care if there is a backroom or not, but I don't see the point in not letting it be viewable to the public.

 

[SilentSlayers]

Backroom sounds cool. Character specific seems like a bad idea now, but maybe once there, it'll be used more, in the sense of discussion and Q & A. *shrug*

How good do you have to be to get into the backroom anyway? I can't really distuinguish how good I am. Yeah, it should be viewable to the public. Think about it, how does it hurt you simply because they can see it? All the posts will (hopefully) be insightful, and forged from (a lot of) experience, not assumptions and people who don't know what they're talking about. Another thing to keep in mind is that even though a player may not be good, he still may know the game inside out. For example, a TASer would know a crap load about the game, while not even being a great player. Where is the line drawn? Or is this simply about contribution to the site... I understand the game very well, though I know many of you are better than me, mostly just the regular posters.

 

[MattNF]

MattNF, I already stated that in the backroom there would be a subforum called "Character Specific". In this subforum there would be 12 stickied threads dedicated to the characters.

That's even dumber, since EVEN LESS people would post in it since only BRoomers would be allowed to

 

[Deleted member]

it's a good idea once smash 64 gets released on VC and more interest goes back to 64

 

[asianaussie]

Oh joy, influx of Brawl players who don't know what a Z-cancel is.

This brings me to my point: UPDATE THE AT LISTS.

 

[Nybb]

+1 for 64 getting its own section and not just being shoved down beside the kids with the pokeys and the mons. A character subforum would be good, i.e. what near was saying (with 12 threads, not 12 subforums).

Video thread is meh, I don't think it would be neccessary if the character subforum gets created. I think the characters section would take enough clutter out of 64 general discussion that a video thread would be easy to maintain there.

-1 for the backroom. The scene is not big enough yet to need one. One might be cool in the future, if virtual console or anything else grows the user base a bit, but for now, no.

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It also doesn't help that the best players' posts (not naming any names) consist almost entirely of spam and trolling, or if they are serious, they are one line long at best.

 

[Surri-Sama]

LOL @ nears pic

the competitive events sub was to much for you guys to check out by it self...let alone that many!!

video' sub thread i am not really sure about to be honest...would it be viewed regularly, or would it be a free mod spot possibility?

BR i think would work mostly because of this "desire to change" attitude towards most of smash64's already constructed material. And as we all know Pps proved to most of us that if you build it they will come...90% of people would want in to see whats going on and to contribute, and in my opinion could attract other people from melee and/or Brawl too try and see what we are all about :O

IMHO what smash64 needs right now more then anything, is publicity! people need to know smash64 is still around, still playable and a dam good fighter! I personally would like to see some thing like a message on SWF that shows up on threads (which SWF can obviously support) linking people to our section ^_^

THAT being said the idea of us getting our own section could go perfectly with that idea! "check out SWF new smash64 section, with a newly created backroom!" (yes that sounds corny but I am not good at making commercial messages xD)

Thoughts?

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I like the video thread idea. When new people want to watch advanced videos for ideas and ways to improve, having a forum dedicated to videos would make it much easier for them. Having a single thread would be kind-of pointless... as a combo video will get lost quickly under all the posts... and the thread itself might disappear deep into the smash 64 forums. Plus, having 3 video threads in the general discussion just causes more of a mess.

Backroom I still think we should have, for the reasons already stated. If we do get our own section, more people will start posting here... probably to discuss the game that they used to play and used to own all their friends at. Having a backroom will allow the 'right' people to post... without outside distractions.

As for the character discussion... well... I disagree with the 'only 12 threads in a generic character forum' idea since it will simply be twelve 'ask a question, get an answer' threads. I can see the problem with the individual forums for each character, but I think (if possible) we should try out a forum for each character. When people start to post in a forum, others start to join... and eventually the forum gets active. I think that can happen for the character forums as well. And if a character forum dies or gets one post every five days... well... look at the low and bottom tier of melee...

If we're going to have our own section, we need to have sub-forums to go with it. Having just a single sub-forum in a 64 section seems kind-of pointless... and the more sections we have, the more people that will join.

 

[Skrlx]

I like the video thread idea. When new people want to watch advanced videos for ideas and ways to improve, having a forum dedicated to videos would make it much easier for them. Having a single thread would be kind-of pointless... as a combo video will get lost quickly under all the posts... and the thread itself might disappear deep into the smash 64 forums. Plus, having 3 video threads in the general discussion just causes more of a mess.

Backroom I still think we should have, for the reasons already stated. If we do get our own section, more people will start posting here... probably to discuss the game that they used to play and used to own all their friends at. Having a backroom will allow the 'right' people to post... without outside distractions.

As for the character discussion... well... I disagree with the 'only 12 threads in a generic character forum' idea since it will simply be twelve 'ask a question, get an answer' threads. I can see the problem with the individual forums for each character, but I think (if possible) we should try out a forum for each character. When people start to post in a forum, others start to join... and eventually the forum gets active. I think that can happen for the character forums as well. And if a character forum dies or gets one post every five days... well... look at the low and bottom tier of melee...

If we're going to have our own section, we need to have sub-forums to go with it. Having just a single sub-forum in a 64 section seems kind-of pointless... and the more sections we have, the more people that will join.

I couldn't agree more. I was only proposing the 12 thread idea because 12 sub-forums would look bad (aesthetically speaking) but if it works, i'd go for functionality rather than aesthetics

 

[Xivii]

LOL @ nears pic

the competitive events sub was to much for you guys to check out by it self...let alone that many!!

video' sub thread i am not really sure about to be honest...would it be viewed regularly, or would it be a free mod spot possibility?

BR i think would work mostly because of this "desire to change" attitude towards most of smash64's already constructed material. And as we all know Pps proved to most of us that if you build it they will come...90% of people would want in to see whats going on and to contribute, and in my opinion could attract other people from melee and/or Brawl too try and see what we are all about :O

IMHO what smash64 needs right now more then anything, is publicity! people need to know smash64 is still around, still playable and a dam good fighter! I personally would like to see some thing like a message on SWF that shows up on threads (which SWF can obviously support) linking people to our section ^_^

THAT being said the idea of us getting our own section could go perfectly with that idea! "check out SWF new smash64 section, with a newly created backroom!" (yes that sounds corny but I am not good at making commercial messages xD)

Thoughts?

From the view of the 64 discussion remaining as it is under gaming.

-If there was to be a video sub-forum I think it should replace the Competitive Events section rather than making an entire new sub-form. As far as I can tell that would only divide things up even further. A new mod position probably wouldn't be required for this if it were to just replace the competitive events section or even if a whole new sub-forum was made. I expect it would not be all that active, but still far more active than the competitive events section. The only way to truly tell how active it would be is for it to actually be made.

-To me at this point the positives that have been made in support of a BRoom seem to out weigh the negatives. If it is to be made it should definitely, without a doubt, be completely private. People who aren’t BRoom qualify able,

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such as myself,

can view and discuss completed BRoom discussions outside of the BRoom once they are reposted. Those who want to be able to view all of the BRoom material then make yourself BRoom qualify able and get in there. If you can't do that then give a little more effort. If you still can't, then tough luck, you still have the regular forums to post in.

-Character Specific is not necessary at all. The idea of a sticky linking to each guide is good enough for the section as it is now. Updating the Smash Index with the links could work as well.



From the view of SSB64 getting its own section.

-If SBB64 were to have its own section it would definitely bring new members to the section thus the need for individual forums would increase. Obviously the need for a video section and a BRoom is magnified even more in this situation. Still the BRoom should remain completely private. The organization of the BRoom should be decided by those running it.

-In the beginning, the Competitive Events section would probably remain just about as active as it is now. I could see that changing though.

-Character Specific still seems like it would be wasted but I think it would be worth giving a try. I don’t really like the idea of twelve stickied threads for each character though. Like Yoshtoast said, they would just end up becoming twelve seperate Q&A threads.

 

[t3h Icy]

The main reason why Smash 64 is it's own little forum instead of a entire sections like Melee and Brawl is as a few people said is due to low publicity. Most of the players aren't aware that Smash 64 is alive and well, mainly because you don't have people traveling to different cities, let alone the country and oceans and Smash 64 doesn't have any tournaments, or at the very most, side-events at Melee/Brawl ones. Online draws a lot of players, but internet is much different than in person, both with whom you're playing with and also the game itself (lag, controls, etc).

I'd like to see a Video Sub-Forum so more players can get different perspectives on how people play, rather than how Isai plays, especially different styles. It would probably influence a lot of people to post up some of their old recorded games.

Smash Backroom, hmm, maybe. The way it is now, most of the players here would end up in there, so that would only cut off from the new players. Perhaps if you take the amount of random players from GodWeapon and bring them here, then maybe a Backroom would be more useful. Even though it's an improvement, the chart and tier list I made still need some work and a more professional opinion. I tried to lead it, but there were many mixed opinions to say the least. I'm pretty content with Falcon's Match-Ups though, but there were still many disputes.

Character-Specific section? Again like the Smash Backroom, it would make more sense if there were more players. The number of Samus players and the number of great Samus players at the moment are about the same, so if there were one, nobody would really ask unless one of the frequent users decided to start using Samus and looked for tips. But if we had a large amount of new players show up, then there would be more people to contribute and to help, thus making it more active. Also, if a Character-Specific Section does get created, then maybe each board can have Match-up Threads like those in the Brawl section.

A better placement? Definitely. You have general Smash News at the top, a whole section for Brawl, a whole section for Melee, a whole section for tournament related discussion, and Smash 64 ends up with a single Forum, underneath general gaming and above Pokemon discussion, while the entire section is under general chatter. Whether or not any of the above gets implemented, I strongly think that Smash 64 needs to be moved up. It really looks pathetic where it is right now.

 

[Wenbobular]

Oh joy, influx of Brawl players who don't know what a Z-cancel is.

This brings me to my point: UPDATE THE AT LISTS.

Zzz. Maybe someone should start a thread about updates to the AT list, because the current thread is a million pages long and it'd be a pain to read through it all

I'm also kinda busy with exams at the moment

 

[Kefit]

I'm fairly surprised to see so much support for a backroom. I suppose it could be worth a try if this many people are interested. Even if it does die after a couple of weeks, what harm is going to have been done?

However, I don't think a back room is going to be valuable if, as I predicted earlier, 90% of our current active posters have access to it. I think that a lot of our posters aren't nearly as good at this game as they think they are (5C lololololaolyolylyl) judging from post content and whatever limited videos are available. A backroom would be most likely to produce meaningful consensus if it's limited to people who are, you know, actually good at this game.

Then again, that raises the question of what basis we'd use to select players for the backroom. Or more realistically, to whom we would leave the duty to make said selections. And whatever happens we are bound to have whining from those who didn't make the cut.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Well... here's how I think we should determine who gets to be in the backroom... assuming we get a backroom.

First question is how many people should we have in the backroom? I'm just suggesting this as an approximation. Do we let 10 people? 20 people? 20% of the 64 community?

Second question (once the above question is answered)... do we want a structured backroom? Or do we just want the best and that's it?

-e.g. president, 2 vice presidents, writer, rep from each 12 character, and top... say... 5 or so people? Each spot (from pres to top people) voted in by the 64 community?



I think answering that will help us to determine who gets in.





Edit:

I think either way, the members should be voted in by the general 64 community. If someone is really good at smash, but doesn't post ever on smashboards (or posts useless stuff), then their spot should instead go to someone who is not as good but posts intelligently and contributes to the boards. I think the 64 community in general knows who contributes, who doesn't, and who trolls (for want of a better word).

Also, if the backroom is voted in by the community itself, then no one can complain if they are not in the backroom, since the process was done fairly.

I am in full support of a backroom whether I make the cut or not... since I think we're in need of one.

 

[MattNF]

I still don't understand the use of a backroom.

What exactly are we going to discuss in there? The matchup chart and tier list is pretty much universally agreed upon and the SSB64 ruleset works good as well. Any further revisions to those could quickly be changed in the normal SSB64 forum.

I have a feeling that the backroom, if created, would die within a week or two and rarely be posted in and would wind up being a huge waste of time.

 

[Lovage]

the ruleset still needs to be discussed.
so that our imaginary tournaments can be run with consistent rules

 

[smashmachine]

Second question (once the above question is answered)... do we want a structured backroom? Or do we just want the best and that's it?

-e.g. president, 2 vice presidents, writer, rep from each 12 character, and top... say... 5 or so people? Each spot (from pres to top people) voted in by the 64 community?

lol
isai gets 13 spots

 

[MattNF]

the ruleset still needs to be discussed.
so that our imaginary tournaments can be run with consistent rules

Does that really warrant an entire new board?

I don't see anything wrong with the current rules, anyway.

 

[Lovage]

no i'm not saying we need a new board

i'm saying we still need to discuss ssthe stage and stage selection rules because we pretty much just snatched them from melee
but it isn't that important because this game doesn't have big big tournaments

 

[Skrlx]

If I remember correctly you have said that if a backroom was made that you would actually make serious posts and not those images and 4 word replies.

Don't know if that helps or not but YOU said it

 

[MattNF]

If I remember correctly you have said that if a backroom was made that you would actually make serious posts and not those images and 4 word replies.

Don't know if that helps or not but YOU said it

yeah I said that

still doesnt mean there would be anything to actually talk about in the backroom

 

[t3h Icy]

For picking stages, stage-striking could be used, since there is an odd number of "legal" stages, (except in Ness' case). But I think some discussion about it would be interesting, as was stated above, Smash 64 essentially just took it from Melee style. But really, rarely are there ever large Smash 64 tournaments, and they're almost always online, with the exception of sub-events at other tournaments so it doesn't really matter all that much.