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Work In Progress Video Arkive & Critique Thread ~Updating in progress 45 chars done~

Sabaca

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Mix up your jab followups , you only used jab into grab. You didn't get punished for it this game but it does the least %. Simply completing the jab combo does already 0.5% more and can lead into (mostly weaker) followups aswell.
Mix up your recovery. You always pulled a bomb , fell below ledge and upb'd. You even got spiked twice for it.
The most obvious mixups are tether and recovering high.
 
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ZSaberLink

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Also, can i have some critique for the video that i post ? Would be cool :) .
Sure I can give what I know. What Sabaca has said are probably the main points though.

Still rewatching...

@0:07 - Normally, the combo is UTilt, UTilt, & USmash. You did 3 UTilts, which is fine, but you could've gotten a little extra dmg off a USmash at the end.

You were generally a bit too grab happy. Your opponent could have punished you really hard on those (as opposed to just grabbing you back).
 
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Storm Erion

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Hey guys, mostly been a lurker but I had a question to ask about posting a video here.

I don't have any kind of capture card, so at best I'd be able to upload some Smashladder matches via recording with my phone. Is that sort of thing frowned upon here? I don't want to be "that guy" that doesn't know what he's doing in regards to posting here.

I ask because I really want some advice from fellow Link mains because I'm really dying to improve and i'm passionate about playing Link.
 

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Hey guys, mostly been a lurker but I had a question to ask about posting a video here.

I don't have any kind of capture card, so at best I'd be able to upload some Smashladder matches via recording with my phone. Is that sort of thing frowned upon here? I don't want to be "that guy" that doesn't know what he's doing in regards to posting here.

I ask because I really want some advice from fellow Link mains because I'm really dying to improve and i'm passionate about playing Link.
It's fine for critique, we understand not everyone has access to a capture card. It just won't be added to the archive.
 

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I'll add a doubles segment soon when we have some more, I'll see about uploading mine too. The Cacogen match was very nice, he plays a solid Link. Will add!
 

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Oh, and also, PLEASE WATCH THIS!!!!!!! Match starts at 13:56, it's the second game of the set. He switched to Link because his Sheik lost.
http://www.twitch.tv/62bitgaming/b/649361211
Damn straight.

EDIT: Edit so I don't double post.

Some friendlies over wifi with Cacogen (perfect connection, felt like offline, he lives half an hour away from me)

http://www.twitch.tv/cacogen88/b/647835683?t=14m56s

Trying to analyze it and see what bad habits I need to break or other options I can take instead of my usual stuff.
I think I have problems with being predictable.
 
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The video link's are working for you guys right? There's some idiot on the DK boards claiming that they're not working. I think he's trolling.
 

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Guess I'll post this here. Posted this in another thread, then I remembered this was the proper place.
http://www.twitch.tv/smashbroslegacytv/b/650517553
PLU Smash 4 Singles Tourney 04/15/15
1:13:39 Kidlink77 (Link) Vs. Chambo (Lucario)
2:17:45 Kidlink77 (Link) Vs. SCATman (Megaman)
2:39:33 Kidlink77 (Link) Vs. Jewlz (Ganon) Finals
3:14:15 Kidlink77 (Link) Vs. Jewlz (Ness, DK) Grand Finals
Enjoy I guess.
 
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I see some of our forum regulars have already found it, but here's a decent set made great by the commentators:
Sine Language:4link: vs Aposl:4charizard:/:4myfriends:
31 March 2015 Xanadu Smash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lRjPpQEV3o

I'll now be getting another PC to get through the Twitch match backlog.

In the mean time, here's a nice video by quake helpful in the Sheik MU:
How to beat Sheik's Ledge Snap
by quake
 
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I have yet to see my own videos posted from around my scene. I wasn't in this local monthly since I was attending to some college matters sadly :(

Anyways here's a pretty new Link in my local scene here, mrBolice.
 

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That's because I won't find them unless Link is listed somewhere in the description / title / tags. I won't find stream videos either obviously, so we're missing quite a lot.
Oh, sorry I didn't mean for you guys to find my videos. I meant the local TOs here don't really upload a lot.
 

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I have yet to see my own videos posted from around my scene. I wasn't in this local monthly since I was attending to some college matters sadly :(

Anyways here's a pretty new Link in my local scene here, mrBolice.
Just noticed this now. Forgot to follow the post format indicated on the first page btw. My mistake.

This guy actually used to post in the Link boards before the AiB move.

Here are some of the specifics for the previously posted video.
mrBolice :4link: vs Guppy :4peach: April 11 - Offline Tournament

Here's another one from the same guy.
mrBolice :4link: vs Shampoomaster :4diddy: April 11 - Offline Tournament
 

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So, I experienced my first local tournament on Saturday. I managed to get into the top 8, so I'm happy about that I guess, especially since Sm4sh was my first SBB game I've owned.

I only managed to get one set in on the streaming station:

DJTHED (Rip Jab 1) :4link: vs 9Tales :rosalina: April 18th, 2015 - (Customs ON)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PursicPlW6A

The tag I used speaks for itself...


Anyway, I really struggled on how to approach this Rosalina, especially with her insane custom neutral B (and side B to an extent), so I got bit sloppy with my game as a result. Any tips would be appreciated.
 
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Another neat online set from Staticmanny: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmRNZ0yHvP0
I love how confident and patient his is as always -- he gives no ****. It seems he has to get used to the Jab nerf too, lol.

Anyway, I really struggled on how to approach this Rosalina, especially with her insane custom neutral B (and side B to an extent), so I got bit sloppy with my game as a result. Any tips would be appreciated.
The Rosa MU is godawful, I lose to them all the time even when I beat their other characters. (Those 2-1 sets :sadeyes:) The only truly dangerous thing you did a few times was rolling into Rosalina, which does not work at all. There's a Luma in front of her and all her attacks have giantic hitboxes, there's no way you'll ever get anything out of rolling towards her. Also, watch out above Rosa. Pulling bombs can get you an Uair ('cause it has that big a range). Our Dair hitbox and priority have changed, so we can actually beat Uair now if we see it coming out -- that is, if she doesn't hit with the full hitbox. Test it out, it gives us an edge. Then pray to the gods you don't meet a Rosa.

Hi every one, how is it going?

I would like to post 2 vídeos, we had a tournament yesterday here in Cali, Colombia. I would like to get feedback about fox, because it's a hard match up for me. Hope you guys like the videos, and criticize them. Thanks for your time.

:4link: Chuck vs :4fox: Adram

[Winner Finals] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VveYxFxnwsk
[Grand Finals] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqhbgsOvx2U
Well the Fox MU is ridiculous too -- Scizor's set against DEHF will testify, and those two play often. What has obvious, and what gave him an edge later, is that he started reading your habits -- your rolls especially. Watch out with your Fsmashes as well: they saved your life often but they also got you many times. Also, you still ledgehop Fair a lot: he kept punishing you for it towards the end. The only other advice is that, when Fox is recovering low, don't just wait for him. You usually can't gimp him immediately, but wait for the ledgesnap and then ledge trump him. In fact, Fox's Up B gives us the perfect opportunity for Zair trumping, which gives you a guaranteed Dair. All else, you did better than I could -- congrats on getting second!

More footage: Mitsu vs Suarez's Yoshi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpeXynJxKmg
 
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Well the Fox MU is ridiculous too -- Scizor's set against DEHF will testify, and those two play often. What has obvious, and what gave him an edge later, is that he started reading your habits -- your rolls especially. Watch out with your Fsmashes as well: they saved your life often but they also got you many times. Also, you still ledgehop Fair a lot: he kept punishing you for it towards the end. The only other advice is that, when Fox is recovering low, don't just wait for him. You usually can't gimp him immediately, but wait for the ledgesnap and then ledge trump him. In fact, Fox's Up B gives us the perfect opportunity for Zair trumping, which gives you a guaranteed Dair. All else, you did better than I could -- congrats on getting second!

More footage: Mitsu vs Suarez's Yoshi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpeXynJxKmg
I'll keep those things in mind next time, and I'll make sure for the next tournament I wont roll innecessary. Thanks for the tips and for your time.
 

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Alright, lot's of new footage once again.

There's Shakyy beating up another Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seRu-__gNzM
A very nervous Link losing the awufl Greninja match-up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4AlXanamg
Link vs Dark Pit, another tourney game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P2rQFf4gRc
Couple of decent friendlies between a Link and Lucina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZcR-87GgY
A nice Japanese Link versus a Fox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUlc4cbIaE

Additionally, some new on KirinBlaze: "I've been really busy with work lately and haven't had time for Smash until recently" (that explains the absence). Here are two For Glory games he uploaded yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MW-aCHWvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzrSGSfPoO0

I won't add any of them but we take what we can get.
 
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That's because I won't find them unless Link is listed somewhere in the description / title / tags. I won't find stream videos either obviously, so we're missing quite a lot.

Also I hate the CF match-up, so I feel for Knife:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRqeiPXHUN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbxiLRnEWMA
I did so well against the first one, but the second one was tough. You can see examples of me trying to jab cancel and failing, costing me the second game (also I went too aggro when I had a stock lead). That was literally the day after the patch.
 

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Elessar :4link: vs dbk! :4mario:
22 April 2015 Friendlies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K1QZGPmk94

Here's a match I uploaded for Ele. It's got some really good examples on how good pivot Ftilts can be. Also that spin attack kill at the end is super sexy.
It was offline friendlies. He'll be my partner for doubles in the tourney and we were practicing.

Anyways, I've found quite some success playing like that. I really think that pivots are essential now. Pivots and superb spacing.
 

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I'd appreciate it if you could upload a few replays for me.
One FG match with some flash, and some (wifi w/ good connection) tourney replays.
Sure thing. Shoot me a friend request and I'll record them when I have some free time.
 

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"That gale boomerang, is that a custom?"
My spleen hurts now...whonthe he'll are these people? How can they expect to be taken seriously when they so eloquently show that they know squat about the game. Like if you're a commentator, would part of your job he be actually informed?
 

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Uploaded some matches for @ Zerker Zerker . Some of this info might not be 100% accurate. If its not then he can correct me when he gets here.

Zerker :4link: vs Febro :4shulk:1
24 April 2015 Online Friendlies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rClwZJLRrvU

Zerker :4link: vs Febro :4shulk:2
24 April 2015 Online Friendlies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP0m7I6DmuQ

Zerker :4link: vs Febro :4shulk:3
24 April 2015 Online Friendlies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMxcqpEtaT0

Zerker :4link: vs taco :4falcon:
24 April 2015 For Glory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7rpRD-DliQ
 
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I have two games myself where I found out I was struggling. can anyone help?

[Salty Showdown #31] IrisZ (Link) VS Riotlettuce (DK) Game 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_0N03UVagM
Normally I would only give general tips, but since your greatest fault is sometimes making questionable decisions I have just commented on all remarkable things I found:

0:12 Bomb to Fsmash will rarely connect. You saw the first hit didn't, why go into the second one? You're asking to get punished. Bomb to Fair or Zair is safe.
0:15 Why roll behind the DK? This is an incredibly dangerous habit that returns often. As you could see, it did nothing to help (quite to the contrary), as DK's utilt has a hitbox behind him like ours. Besides, with his Dsmash and Down B he is excellent at punishing rolls in his direct vicinity.
0:16 Why did you full hop bomb pull? The bomb pull animation is slow, you should never do it that close, especially when you're actively trying to get out of being juggled
0:18 If the DK had full hopped Uair, he would have traded hits with your Dair, which would still leave you in an uncomfortable position. Better look for safety instead.
0:20 That grab would have never gotten him. PUnishg DK's up B, any version, is possible only after you've shielded all the hits. Link must wait out most multi-hit moves because his grab is slow. That grab would never have landed anyway -- throwing out grabs must be *really* rare.
0:25 Again the grab reflex -- not for Link.
0:30 You pull out a bomb in a situation where the DK could continue to juggle you -- look out with that.
0:41 Usmash is slow, be weary of trying to punish with it. A missed grab like that could just as well be answered by a quick jab combo.
0:42 Notice how he's starting to read your rolls.
0:56 Why did you roll away after a hit? Well, because it is a habit of course -- a bad one.
1:10 Why are you jumping into DK when you're above him? Let yourself have your space to reset to neutral.
1:50 He keeps double jumping over you baiting you to grab or smash so he can land safely. It's working.
2:03 Just look closey and ask yourself, why am I rolling here?
2:54 same ^
2:57 same ^
3:02 Don't trust Dairs priority. If in doubt, don't make the gamble. Especially not against that ridicilous custom DK up b.

You lost because you were too easy to juggle. Bomb pulls are laggy, DK's Uair is great; you need to be more patient. Don't jump into the opponent when they hve the advantage of bieng below you. Just retreat. Zair too is great against DK.
 

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I have two vids to have critiqued (courtesy of @ Zelkam Zelkam on the upload).

The first is my fight against a falcon I met on FG shortly after the patch. I had a few other replays of my matches with her, but I did so terribly that they were hardly worth showing. I've adjusted my play style since this match to attempt to cover more speedy characters.
https://youtu.be/mjcd0dyGhV8

The second is against a Shiek I met on Anther's Ladder (endless friendlies). Neither of us had previous experience with the MU prior to our games. This one was towards the end of our playtime, and was probably our most hype match. I need lots of help with this MU. Shiek's the first character I've actually felt completely overwhelmed fighting against.
https://youtu.be/oDEC0Va7DT8

Bonus - @ link7 link7 edeguarding like a boss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0jlon-ojGI
 
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