Vertical survivability and kill percent data

[TheGoat]

It took me a while, but I have had some time over the break to compile a bit of data I've recorded over time to see exactly how hard characters are to kill vertically. For each of these I used fox's upsmash from the ground, uncharged.

For the data "with DI", I simply held the victim's control stick horizontally to the direction fox was facing, so this should be "perfect DI".
Perfect DI seems at add about 7-10%. Keep in mind if you are close to the sides you will probably be killed earlier, off of the sides due to your horizontal trajectory. All the data I recorded is exactly when the target dies off the top.

All percents are BEFORE the attack. Keep in mind move staling will have an effect-usually 1-3 percent weaker at most, but it shouldn't be much of an issue for a character like fox who has a myriad of other moves to use.


Each time I got a kill from fox's upsmash, I lowered the percent by one until upsmash no longer killed. None of these were done in training mode to avoid accidental charging on the smash. I didn't include every character on every stage because I haven't had the time to do every single one, but all characters have been done on Final Destination, and if anyone wants to contribute data I welcome it. I will add data for horizontal kills later if I can.

Death by fox upsmash on yoshis island
Falcon-96%
DK-91%
Falco-88---with di 98
Bowser-86%---with di 96
Fox-82%
Shiek-76%
Marth-73%
pikachu-68%
Peach-66%
Jigg-51%---with DI 57

Death by fox upsmash on pokemon stadium (neutral)
Falcon-99%
Falco-91
bOWSER-90
fox-85
Shiek-79
marth-77
Peach-69%
jigg-53

death by fox upsmash on fd
falcon-102%---with die 113
Donkey Kong-97%
falco-93%
Bowser-92%---with di 102
Ganondorf-89%
Link-88%
fox-86%
Yoshi-86%
Roy-85%
sheik-81%
Mario-79%
dr mario-79%
marth-79%
Ness-78%
Samus-78%
Young Link-78%
Luigi-76%
Pikachu-73%
Ice Climbers-72%
peach-71%--with di 80%
Zelda-70%
Mewtwo-69%
Kirby-63%
Game and watch-60%
Pichu-60%
jigg 55%





Death by fox upsmash on Battlefield
Falcon-105%
Falco-95
Bowser-95%
fox-89
sheik-84
marth-82
pikachu-75%---with di 84%
Peach-74%---with di 82%
jigg-57


Death by fox upsmash on fountain of dreams
Falcon-106%
Falco-96%
Bowser-96%
Fox-90%
shiek-85%
Marth-82%
peach-75%
jigg-58%

Death by fox upsmash on dreamland64
Falcon-118%
Bowser-108%
falco-106%
fox-100%
sheik-95%
marth-93%
peach-85%
jiggs-66%

 

[rjgbadger]

if its fox specific why isnt it in his forum?

 

[hungrybox]

pretty sure m2k covered this in his Smash bible

 

[Ripple]

I will add data for horizontal kills later if I can.

why? this is entirely based off weight

 

[Strong Badam]

horizontal kills are also based on falling speed due to how gravity affects post-launch trajectory

 

[Ripple]

yeah, but honestly, how much of a difference does that make? like 1-3% max?

 

[iRobinhoood]

Could mean the difference between life and death.

 

[iffy525]

What about data for Marf usmash

 

[C.SDK]

pretty sure m2k covered this in his Smash bible

I have a copy of it. Who wants it??

 

[SpiderMad]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=30064

 

[stelzig]

yeah, but honestly, how much of a difference does that make? like 1-3% max?

Edit: Nevermind. Thought he said vertical kills.

 

[C.SDK]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=30064

My copy is conveniently stored in a nice .doc with neat graphics.

 

[Bones0]

Did you kill yourself before each usmash? If not, staling would have skewed a good number of your tests. This almost happened to me when I tested %s for shining people off the top as Falco. lol

 

[_wzrd]

@morino I want it!

this is pretty useful stuff though, i have a pretty good feel for when it kills, but in most cases it kills earlier so BAM

 

[fatman667]

Yoshi's Island? Don't you mean Yoshi's Story?

My copy is conveniently stored in a nice .doc with neat graphics.

GIMME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheGoat]

Did you kill yourself before each usmash? If not, staling would have skewed a good number of your tests. This almost happened to me when I tested %s for shining people off the top as Falco. lol

From what magus says http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9016367&postcount=6176

It doesnt help if you kill yourself. I used other moves (mostly laser) to rack up the damage so that staling shouldn't be an issue.

 

[iRobinhoood]

Edit: Nevermind. Thought he said vertical kills.

Hey look its that sunshine speed runner

 

[Bones0]

From what magus says http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9016367&postcount=6176

It doesnt help if you kill yourself. I used other moves (mostly laser) to rack up the damage so that staling shouldn't be an issue.

You should reread that post... lol

 

[angel_without_heart]

I feel sad for you ntsc falcon. Pretty sure pal falcon can survive at 140%on fd.

 

[TheGoat]

You should reread that post... lol

ooooh ****. Well I could have just done that instead, oh well