UUs and NUs opposed to OUs

[9Kplus1]

Been a while huh? Well, during my time gone, I dropped every OU I had. Why? Because they're OU, OUs lack originality, I mean, come on, almost every OU will have 1 of 2 movesets, that's predicted way too easily, and let's not forget the n00bish combos of this gen, SkarmBliss and GyaraVire, ALL COUNTERED EASILY, UUs and NUs have movesets that surprise the common OU user I'm tired of seeing Weaviles and Blisseys roaming around competitive play, so, I ask you, which do you think are better, UUs/NUs or OUs, give a reason too in order back up what you've said.

 

[Sariku]

I totally agree. I think I got One or Two OU Pokemon, Lucario and Dusknoir. But otherwise I got Togekiss, Pichu, Scizzor, Cloyster, Crobat, Feraligatr, Aerodactyl, and a few others. I refuse to ever use a Blissey do to the fact EVERYONE uses them >.<

 

[IC3R]

Sweet! A thread in which I can express my sheer hatred for PokeStaples and not be critized for it!

(>.<)# <(5taplz r teh_stup1d!!!1!!1!)

Salamincemeat, Tyranitard, Garchump, Blisseypaininthebutttobeat, *gasp*, Gyargrossface, Dr. Robuttnik-vire, Skarwhory, Dusklawyer (cause no one likes lawyers), etc...

First of all, OU should be changed to OP...for overly-predictable...
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Yeah, I'm so sick of the overly-predictable movesets everyone's giving their Pokemon. They're so predictable, they call them "Standard" movesets...FTW?!

It would be much more difficult to create a <BL team because there are so much more of them, and there's so many options for every one of them.


It's almost like the SSBM Tier System:
Top, High, Middle, Low, Bottom
Uber, OU, BL, UU, NU


It is much for fun for me to watch a Kirby vs. Pichu match than a Shiek vs. Fox (I'm not the only one, I know), because it's so much harder to predict who's going to win in lower-tier fights...

Same goes for Pokemon: just tell someone what the Pokes on your OU team are and they'll have a pretty good idea of what the Pokes' movesets are and just how to counter them just because that's the simplicity the "metagame" ultimately boils down to...

That's why if I see any OUs, I applaud the Trainer if the Pokes have "non-Standard" movesets, because it shows a little creativity in the Pokemon.
Ex: My Electivire. Look on my RMT and you'll see what I mean...

So while OUs are "better" in terms of Stat counts, you can do so much more with UU and NU Pokes, and that makes the battle's results much more pleasing...



I hope I got my point across, because would just love to rant again...(^.^)

 

[shadydentist]

You have a point. Everyone is pretty familiar with the capabilities of OU pokemon, while a lot of BL and UU pokemon are much less known.

It still doesn't change the fact that OU pokemon are better in every objective way.

 

[outofdashdwz]

I totally agree. I think I got One or Two OU Pokemon, Lucario and Dusknoir. But otherwise I got Togekiss, Pichu, Scizzor, Cloyster, Crobat, Feraligatr, Aerodactyl, and a few others. I refuse to ever use a Blissey do to the fact EVERYONE uses them >.<

Actually, Togekiss and Aerodactyl are both OU and are relatively large threats as sweepers.

You have a point. Everyone is pretty familiar with the capabilities of OU pokemon, while a lot of BL and UU pokemon are much less known.

It still doesn't change the fact that OU pokemon are better in every objective way.

He's right =/ Some UU/NU Pokemon can be made to be very useful in certain very specific situations, but no matter how you look at it, they are UU/NU for a reason. Be it a crappy movepool, atrociously located base stat (or completely lack of base stats), a combination of both, or any other contributing factor, UU and NU pokemon simply cannot compete with the higher metagames. Yes, some Pokemon from lower tiers can be very successfully integrated into a higher tier metagame, but even so, they are often restricted by a very narrow context. For example, when ADV metagame just started, the Ninjask craze took over, and to counter that, I used to start with a Murkrow with Snatch/Whirlwind/HP [Flying]/Shadow Ball that worked extremely well should I meet a Ninjask, but against any other starter, it was a sitting duck. Literally. Another good example of this is the usage of Exeggutor and Quagsire in ADV ubers, who were used almost exclusively to counter the 2 weather giants.

 

[IC3R]

1. You have a point. Everyone is pretty familiar with the capabilities of OU pokemon, while a lot of BL and UU pokemon are much less known.

2. It still doesn't change the fact that OU pokemon are better in every objective way.

1.Pretty much.

2. That was like, the second-to-last sentence in my post...

3. Do I win the contest? I want my cookie, now !!!!

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

There's more of IC3R's happy-go-lucky personality...

Anyways, outofdashz pretty much took everything right out of my mouth.

Mii and Celebi had a discussion about this some time back... I'm glad to see he finally understands.

Don't worry, Celebi. You can still use Lopunny. She's only UU.

...Oh! I mean:

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[ss118]

NU is where it's all at fools!!!
My Belly-Drumming Charmeleon will **** you!!!
and so will my Choice Banded Delibird!!!

 

[9Kplus1]

Actually, Togekiss and Aerodactyl are both OU and are relatively large threats as sweepers.



He's right =/ Some UU/NU Pokemon can be made to be very useful in certain very specific situations, but no matter how you look at it, they are UU/NU for a reason. Be it a crappy movepool, atrociously located base stat (or completely lack of base stats), a combination of both, or any other contributing factor, UU and NU pokemon simply cannot compete with the higher metagames. Yes, some Pokemon from lower tiers can be very successfully integrated into a higher tier metagame, but even so, they are often restricted by a very narrow context. For example, when ADV metagame just started, the Ninjask craze took over, and to counter that, I used to start with a Murkrow with Snatch/Whirlwind/HP [Flying]/Shadow Ball that worked extremely well should I meet a Ninjask, but against any other starter, it was a sitting duck. Literally. Another good example of this is the usage of Exeggutor and Quagsire in ADV ubers, who were used almost exclusively to counter the 2 weather giants.

Well, THAT just ended this discussion.

 

[Nigachu]

At least half of my team is either BL or UU. Rampardos/Manectric/Absol/Swellow/Golduck/Blaziken.
The pokemon I generally try to use are my favorites no matter if they be uber or NU. I battle unconventional.

Wait a minute, I just realized something. Unconventional/Mold Breaker= Rampardos, my favorite pokemon. Weird and funny, either way I got my point across.

 

[mood4food77]

i actually been ***** by a absol....it was really pathetic

it just really like to CH all the time, i mean, it took out all my pokes but one

 

[IC3R]

At least half of my team is either BL or UU. Rampardos/Manectric/Absol/Swellow/Golduck/Blaziken.
The pokemon I generally try to use are my favorites no matter if they be uber or NU. I battle unconventional.

Wait a minute, I just realized something. Unconventional/Mold Breaker= Rampardos, my favorite pokemon. Weird and funny, either way I got my point across.

Pick your favorites, then pick your moves. That's the way to do it...

i actually been ***** by a absol....it was really pathetic

it just really like to CH all the time, i mean, it took out all my pokes but one

Was it my super special Absol? I called her LuckyThree...

 

[mood4food77]

no, it was on shoddy battle

it did what my togekiss usually did, CH everything and be a pain in the @$$, it just OHKO'd everything instead

 

[IC3R]

no, it was on shoddy battle

it did what my togekiss usually did, CH everything and be a pain in the @$$, it just OHKO'd everything instead

Aww, I love my LuckyThree...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm not exactly sure which of my pokes are OU. I know Salamence/Blissey/Gyara are...
WHat about Gallade/Houndoom/Pory-Z/Metagross/Roserade?

 

[mood4food77]

gallade and roserade are OU

houndoom is UU

 

[MysticKenji]

WHat about Gallade/Houndoom/Pory-Z/Metagross/Roserade?

I'm pretty sure all those guys are OU except for Houndoom

 

[outofdashdwz]

I'm not exactly sure which of my pokes are OU. I know Salamence/Blissey/Gyara are...
WHat about Gallade/Houndoom/Pory-Z/Metagross/Roserade?

Porygon-Z and Metagross are OU staples, while Gallade is debatable. Roserade and Houndoom are probably going to be BL but both definitely have potential to be OU.

 

[mood4food77]

houndoom has no OU potential, too many weaknesses and no stat is crazy high, he's UU at the moment for a reaosn

roserade and gallade are both very good BL pokes

the rest are OU

 

[Kaddy]

There's no feeling like the feeling you get when you sweep with a Ditto.

 

[outofdashdwz]

Houndoom does have OU potential. It was BL in ADV, and the advent of DP gave it plenty of things to work with. Nasty Plot and new Choice Items give Houndoom more versability, and the new physical Pursuit and its typing and Flash Fire make it immune to Azelf's main to attacks while letting Houndoom revenge kill it. Will 'o Wisp scares off anything that wants to exploit his crap defense, and Blissey? 2HKOed after a Nasty Plot. 59.29% - 69.74% from a Fire Blast (With Life Orb and Modest, 54.07% - 63.59% if Timid).

Being the best Azelf killer in the game already deserves mention, and being able to outspeed non+Spd base 100s and Garchomp with more than enough SpAtk to OHKO with HP [Ice] is good enough for OU. Houndoom can also WoW a lot more freely than Spiritomb or Dusknoir, since a Heracross can't afford to switch in on the wrong attack. This puppy is perfectly viable in OU. Don't even bother arguing ****ty typing dooms something to below UU. Heard of Celebi? Speaking of Celebi, none of its stats are "crazy high" either. Same goes with Jirachi, Mew and Manaphy, and yet 2 of them are banned from normal competitive play and the third overly abused. Yea, I realize none of them have 50 in defense, but I'm not saying they're worse than Houndoom. Just that you don't need an overly high stat to see use if other factors compensate for your stats.

 

[M.K]

OMG Celebi, whatever you do, PLEASE (like, the kind of please that if you don't I will kill myself) include a Pelipper named "Bingbong" in your team!

Also, some good UU's include Golem, Aggron, Persian, and Poliwrath. AND PELIPPER!

 

[Chill]

Alot of UU pokemon can be used quite well in OU play they are usually just limited to a certain role. In a battle I had with commonyoshi he used Jumpluff. Now Jumpluff could do one thing and one thing only, be annoying. It parlayzed, slept and was in all around pain in the neck. Not alot of people will use it though because despite being good at status it can't attack to save it's life. And like most UU pokemon it's not a matter of being bad it's a matter of being outclassed. Butterfee although UU herself is pretty much better than Jumpluff. Not only can she status but compound eyes makes her more effective and whirlwind means she can status multiple pokemon.

If you really are tired of OU pokes you still have good pokemon that are not OU but don't suck. Feralgater is one of those pokemon who isn't used not because they suck but there is a "better" option available. Now, this means you can use a pokemon like this with sucess but there's still the reasons that it's not often used in the first place that you'll need to account for.

Golem sucks by the way.

 

[H@wK]

Houndoom does have OU potential. It was BL in ADV, and the advent of DP gave it plenty of things to work with. Nasty Plot and new Choice Items give Houndoom more versability, and the new physical Pursuit and its typing and Flash Fire make it immune to Azelf's main to attacks while letting Houndoom revenge kill it. Will 'o Wisp scares off anything that wants to exploit his crap defense, and Blissey? 2HKOed after a Nasty Plot. 59.29% - 69.74% from a Fire Blast (With Life Orb and Modest, 54.07% - 63.59% if Timid).

Being the best Azelf killer in the game already deserves mention, and being able to outspeed non+Spd base 100s and Garchomp with more than enough SpAtk to OHKO with HP [Ice] is good enough for OU. Houndoom can also WoW a lot more freely than Spiritomb or Dusknoir, since a Heracross can't afford to switch in on the wrong attack. This puppy is perfectly viable in OU. Don't even bother arguing ****ty typing dooms something to below UU. Heard of Celebi? Speaking of Celebi, none of its stats are "crazy high" either. Same goes with Jirachi, Mew and Manaphy, and yet 2 of them are banned from normal competitive play and the third overly abused. Yea, I realize none of them have 50 in defense, but I'm not saying they're worse than Houndoom. Just that you don't need an overly high stat to see use if other factors compensate for your stats.

Houndoom RTP... anyone?

 

[Coen]

People use OUs because they want to win. I admit OU battles can be really boring but they're really OU for a reason. I use some UUs too, but it's too surprise people and throw them off. I have to admit the feeling of winning against a full-OU team with some UU Pokemon feels much better than winning with the same old ****.

 

[SenorPresidente]

half of my team is OU. but no matter where they fall i always use pokemons that i like not just cause they are good. Poliwrath is underrated

 

[IC3R]

half of my team is OU. but no matter where they fall i always use pokemons that i like not just cause they are good. Poliwrath is underrated

Mind Reader/Fissure/Whirlpool/Hypnosis!!!

WOOHOO!!!

 

[MysticKenji]

Mind Reader/Fissure/Whirlpool/Hypnosis!!!

WOOHOO!!!

OHKO clause.
OWNED!!!!!!!

 

[Shiri]

IC3R, I'm stealing that set and using it at the next tourney I go to.

 

[IC3R]

OHKO clause.
OWNED!!!!!!!

Only little p*****s use that clause. That's what the Sturdy ability's for...So --

The only unfortunate thing is that this set can only be obtained is GSC...

If I could get my Poliwrath from Silver to Ruby to Diamond, I'll be a OHKO-happy camper.

Can you use the Pokemon Box somehow?

 

[MysticKenji]

IC3R, I'm stealing that set and using it at the next tourney I go to.

Post the results here. I want to see how badly you own everyone.

Also, where are Typhlosion/Solrock/Machamp on the tier list?

 

[IC3R]

Post the results here. I want to see how badly you own everyone.

See previous post please...

Also, where are Typhlosion/Solrock/Machamp on the tier list?

I think they're UU, cause no one seems to use them much anymore...

Typhlosion loves Flame Wheel/ThunderPunch/Earthquake/Crunch.
Solrock loves Flamethrower/HP Grass/Calm Mind/Psychic.
Machamp w/No Guard loves DynamicPunch/Stone Edge/Ice Punch/Fire Punch and to be paired up w/Magnezone using Zap Cannon.

I have plans for UUs...

 

[MysticKenji]

The only unfortunate thing is that this set can only be obtained is GSC...

That's almost as bad as when Game Freak removed Fissure from Machamp's movepool.

Oh, and thanks.

 

[IC3R]

That's almost as bad as when Game Freak removed Fissure from Machamp's movepool.

Oh, and thanks.

Of course, there's always AR...

 

[mood4food77]

machamp i think is BL, not too sure though

 

[Shiri]

[COLOR="mediumturquoise"Machamp w/No Guard loves DynamicPunch/Stone Edge/Ice Punch/Fire Punch and to be paired up w/Magnezone using Zap Cannon.[/COLOR]

No Guard only affects attacks used on and by Machamp. Sorry.

 

[IC3R]

Check it again:

Straight from serebii.net

"No Guard - The accuracy of all known moves by all Pokemon on the field is raised to 100%."


Booya...

 

[outofdashdwz]

No, Serebii is wrong, Unless Magnezone Zaps Machamp, it will miss 50% of the time. Anyway, Typhlosion doesn't need physical. It keeps its old special sweeping set with Sunny Day and Substitute. Doing 80%+ to Blissey with a non-SE special attack is hot. Literally, lol. Sub til Petaya + Blaze while trying to get in Sunny Days, then sweep with a fire move not named Eruption or Overheat. Ember would more than OHKO max HP 136 SpDef Steelix in said conditions, lol.

 

[IC3R]

No, Serebii is wrong, Unless Magnezone Zaps Machamp, it will miss 50% of the time. Anyway, Typhlosion doesn't need physical. It keeps its old special sweeping set with Sunny Day and Substitute. Doing 80%+ to Blissey with a non-SE special attack is hot. Literally, lol. Sub til Petaya + Blaze while trying to get in Sunny Days, then sweep with a fire move not named Eruption or Overheat. Ember would more than OHKO max HP 136 SpDef Steelix in said conditions, lol.

Has anyone tried it? If so, that's what Lock-On's for, right?

And don't pick on Typhy, just trying something out of the ordinary: I call it BandPhlosion...But yay! Now I have a good Typhy for my Sunny Day team! Thanks...(^.<)

Do you have these calculations memorized or something? FTW?

 

[quam]

i try to stay away from OU's, but i just use them for backups. although, UU's can be backups also so i dont know why i'm using them. theres no originality. i've only got about 2 OU's in my party, so i might get rid of them just for the sake of it