Utrick'd3 Mafia! Light at the end of the tunnel!

[Gova]

i know bardull said he had a theory about kevmo, i'd like to hear it

kevmo should go into more detail about me/rr

rr should go into more detail about me/kevmo

jdietz do you have other reasons to believe im scum other than marker paranoia

 

[Jdietz43]

NOPE THAT'S ABOUT IT. IF YOU RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT YOU COULD LYNCH AND WIN NOW AS A MARKER AND HAVEN'T DONE IT YET THEN THAT'S A GOOD ENOUGH "I'M NOT A MARKER" CLEAR FOR ME.

UNVOTE


BARDULL HAS HAD HIS ISSUES, BUT FOR THE MOST PART THEY'VE BEEN IN LINE WITH SIMPLE READ MISTAKES AND THINGS BARDULL MIGHT DO NORMALLY. I'M NOT SURE IF GLYPH WOULD GIVE SCUM A ROLECOP, IT'S POSSIBLE BUT I'D RATHER LOOK AT SWORDS BECAUSE:

IF GOVA ISN'T A MARKER HE'S THE ONE I'M MOST SUSPICIOUS OF AT THE MOMENT. HIS ROLE IS THE MOST BLAND, SIMPLY HAVING A NEIGHBORHOOD. IN A GAME FULL OF PR'S THIS SEEMS ODD. I DON'T REMEMBER HIS FLAVOR, BUT IT DIDN'T STAND OUT TO ME SINCE I DON'T BELIEVE I RECOGNIZED IT AS SOMETHING I KNEW. I'M STARTING TO THINK THAT EVEN WITH A YAKUZA POWER, IF THERE WERE TWO INDIES (ONE WITH MULTIPLE POWERS, AND ONE WITH POWERS UNKOWN) THEN MAYBE MAFIA WOULD NEED ANOTHER EDGE. IN THAT CASE A TRAITOR COULD BE IN ORDER, IT WOULD FALL INTO LINE WITH THE NO-KILLS WE'VE BEEN SEEING SO FAR. COMBINED WITH IN AND OUT PLAY IT MAKES AN INTERESTING ANGLE FOR KEVMO SCUM.


I'D KIND OF LIKE TO EXPEDITE THE DISCUSSION PROCESS BEFORE I FORGET TO CAPS DODGE ON MY RESTRICTION AGAIN AND KILL MYSELF. (OR GET ONE MAN ALPHA'D)

 

[Gova]

you cant die of modvotes im pretty sure, that would be really lame

 

[Jdietz43]

WELL THAT'S GOOD . BUT I'LL DO MY BEST NOT TO TEST IT.

I'M PRETTY SURE ANYONE ONE MAN LYNCHING ME WITHOUT DISCUSSING IT WOULD BE OBV-SCUM SO HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T MATTER I SCREWED UP MY RESTRICTION SOME.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh and I have to tell the "king"(queen), apparently the "king"(queen) is not declared.
Who knew :?

Gova, read this.

Also, your scum read makes absolutely no sense.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm wondering if it's an attempt to push back at a pro-town slot to come off as being more townie, or if I simply give Gova too much credit to begin with.

 

[BarDulL]

Paranoia seems awkward here. I'd have to be playing the game of my life right now to be scum, really.

Scum don't have a flavor cop, doesn't make sense for them to have one. Why would they? Why would I out my flavor cop role on D2 if I had a better use for it?

Guilty gambit on Swiss, pushing TLM after he was Yakk'd, I can't be mafia aligned. Indy is probable but really unlikely; what good does my flavor cop do as an Indy?

 

[Gova]

Gova, read this.

Also, your scum read makes absolutely no sense.

what about it? this doesnt go against anything i previously mentioned he still said in the previous post that he had to tell you how to execute someone. not to mention he had already mentioned that you were king. this isnt really that important though, i was more concerned about why you went along with it, especially considering you "figured as much" that it was fake, it was just suspicious to me.

 

[Gova]

Paranoia seems awkward here. I'd have to be playing the game of my life right now to be scum, really.

Scum don't have a flavor cop, doesn't make sense for them to have one. Why would they? Why would I out my flavor cop role on D2 if I had a better use for it?

Guilty gambit on Swiss, pushing TLM after he was Yakk'd, I can't be mafia aligned. Indy is probable but really unlikely; what good does my flavor cop do as an Indy?

i dont recall the guilty gambit on swiss resulting in anything, orbo bingo'ing him is what led to his death, TLM was luck he was an inactive and useless slot that needed to go, we got super lucky the he was the one that got brainwashed or whatever,

as per flavor cop usefullness i dont care to get into that as i dont see how its useful to town either since i dont think anyone has any reason to lie about their flavor

 

[BarDulL]

what about it? this doesnt go against anything i previously mentioned he still said in the previous post that he had to tell you how to execute someone. not to mention he had already mentioned that you were king. this isnt really that important though, i was more concerned about why you went along with it, especially considering you "figured as much" that it was fake, it was just suspicious to me.

Yes it does. Rake clearly states that he himself has to declare who he makes King or Queen, to which I assumed was the reason why I never received any notification from Glyph as to being made King/Queen (in case the claim was actually real.)

 

[Gova]

o i see what you mean now, i had hadn't considered that because as a mod i would make someone pm me that for 100% accuracy so they can't ***** about their execution choice if it ended being unfavorable like saying "i was just gambiting i didnt really mean it" etc.

ok well, i'd still like to hear your kevmo thing

 

[BarDulL]

So you legitimately think I gambited Swiss' slot as scum? With a flavor cop role? And risked him getting quick lynched?

You also think I bussed TLM? And all my reads have been fake up to this point?

"I don't care to get into that." LOL. GG, may as well just say that what you're spouting is a crapshoot.

 

[BarDulL]

Kevmo theory isn't conclusive by any means. I had this big idea, but it was shot down already.

 

[Gova]

So you legitimately think I gambited Swiss' slot as scum? With a flavor cop role? And risked him getting quick lynched?

You also think I bussed TLM? And all my reads have been fake up to this point?

"I don't care to get into that." LOL. GG, may as well just say that what you're spouting is a crapshoot.

you claimed being a real cop tho during the gambit, i thought?

if you're scummates with him its a real possibility, i think anyone would have done the same considering how useless he was

wrt flavor cop "dont care to get into that" might as well just consider me town then because my role makes no sense as mafia either

 

[Gova]

rr, can you explain to me why you wanted to get to lylo so badly? you said you wanted to make it there when you claimed iirc

 

[BarDulL]

I'm reading KevinM's role as something other than being masons from the start with the Zen/Rake slot. There was no mention of the masonry until D2 from Zen, I have to look that up again. Zen/Rake supposedly didn't use an ability N1, and I remember KevinM REALLY wanting me to flavor cop him without giving any good reasoning for it. It's a bit of a tangled web, so that's why I've been staying away from KevinM. I was thinking that he might be some kind of recruiter role when he's targeted.

J side of the hydra had a decent start going into D4 after being yakked, but I shut him down pretty quickly. Didn't have to do it, and I had no reason to kill off my "mates" so early into the game.

Your cookie shenanigans is much more likely to be bad news bears than my flavor cop IMHO.

 

[BarDulL]

Also, there's the fact that everyone who has "real life people" as their flavor turn out to be scum.

 

[BarDulL]

Except Anti-Ryker, kinda. Ryker is technically a real person, but so is DtJ Glyphmoney. Right?

Like I said, mostly unproven conjecture, so I'm sticking to game play.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh wait, you targeted KevinM not too long ago with cookie shizzle.

I really don't get why he wanted me to flavor cop him so much.

 

[KevinM]

Because I was highly suspicious of a possible gambit is all.. I hate people that out a PR so readily because SWF tends to just follow them blindly and lose games. I wanted you to cop me because I would know if you were lying or not since it would be a rather simple request.

Knowing I'm not scum means you would actually have to be telling the truth and not just having a scum mate without a lot of flak (read at that point Rake or any lurker) and just have them go.. yep that's what I am he's confirmed hurr durr and all of town would be like HOORAH LETS GET ON BARDULLS NUTS AND LOSE THE GAME BECAUSE SCUM HUNTING ISN'T AS IMPORTANT AS NIGHT ACTIONS EVER!!!

So yeah, knowing i'm town I wanted you to cop me so I could confirm for myself and have someone I knew I could trust later in the game. Then you went and gambitted to catch TLM and now I trust you and have someone I'm willing to take to LYLO/MYLO.

Gova and Ryu no

Also if it was my choice I would kill Ditz for being an idiot but I/Town can't afford to just throw away mislynches at this point.

Gova is clear choice for today if he's marker he literally wins game tonight by targetting Ruy.

Ruy goes tomorrow if Gova doesn't end game.

Simple as that.

Vote Gova

 

[KevinM]

Also I'm Donald Glover, aka Troy from community aka my Avatar and in my flavor which seems to be incredibly lazily made my flavor is literally

"Town Super-Guy"

and he proceeds to say I'm too cool to think of any powers for but at least I get to be in an ultra cool club with another member of Utrick'd

He then proceeds to say that I was in an unconfirmed MASONRY with Rake.

Rake's slot like I said began to become hinged on personal survival after TLM lynch and also slightly before it. And the fact that he had a night action while I didn't was also another indication that something about his role just didn't add up.

Maybe I should have thought about it earlier since everyone seemingly had a NA/PR and i didn't but the unconfirmed alignment and his admittance of having night actions should have tipped me off earlier that my power role was basically knowing Rake was not town.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Still working on reread, Gova I just trust myself in lylo in this game, that and at the time I thought mafia was the last group on our list of people to kill.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Checking something if it matches a disco room game.

Vote: Glyph

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Get that out of here RR, ain't no DR game

 

[BarDulL]

Gova can't be marker.

 

[KevinM]

Why is everyone so positive about the game setup except for myself lol

 

[BarDulL]

Gova could just hammer JD and end the game right now if he's marker.

 

[BarDulL]

@JD - Would you hate me forever if I hammered you right now?

@Gova - mfw you have a scum read on me. Assume I'm town. KTHX.

@Kev - Gova could end the game if he's marker at this point. Either way, you're basically trying to policy lynch Gova on a bad premise. "What if marker" is really silly, don't know why you and JD are biting into it.

@RR - How's your reread going?

 

[BarDulL]

@Request vote count

 

[BarDulL]

JD, I actually haven't seen a lot from you toDay outside of trying to lynch people outside of policy/other reasons other than "x person is scum because they are scummy for z reason."

What's stopping you from being a used up Strong Arm?

 

[BarDulL]

EBWOP: "I actually haven't seen a lot from you toDay aside from trying to lynch people for policy/other reasons. Where's your scum reads?"

Since it probably makes more sense written this way.

Also, meant to say "indy strongman."

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Vote Count​

Jdietz [2] - MOD, MOD
RR [0]
Swords_R [1] - Bardull
Bardull [0]
Gova [1] - Swords_R

Not voting: RR, Gova, Jdietz


With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch! Deadline for D6 is set at September 10th at 11:59 PM Eastern Time!​

 

[KevinM]

The problem isn't just the "Hurr he's a marker"

as much as it's "hurr he hasn't done anything positive for town in 6 days"

 

[Jdietz43]

@JD - Would you hate me forever if I hammered you right now?

PROBABLY LOL. NOT FOREVER, BUT I'D BE DISSAPOINTED YOU WASTED A DAY, SOME TIME, AND POSSIBLY A NEEDED TOWN FOR ENDGAME DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF SCUM IS LEFT. JUDGING BY THE NO KILLS IT WOULDN'T BE THE END OF THE WORLD THOUGH.

JD, I actually haven't seen a lot from you toDay outside of trying to lynch people outside of policy/other reasons other than "x person is scum because they are scummy for z reason."

What's stopping you from being a used up Strong Arm?

NOTHING REALLY BEYOND MY GOOD TRACK RECORD OF LYNCHING AND SHOOTING SCUM. JUST LIKE THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING YOU FROM BEING INDY FLAVORCOP OR RYU FROM BEING INDY COMMUTER IF YOU DIG. I SUPPOSE HAVING THE POWER TO FIND AND SHOOT AN INDY WOULD BE STRANGE FOR ANOTHER COMPETING INDY TO HAVE, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.

AND WHAT WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR EXACTLY? YOU JUST DESCRIBED HOW SCUM READS ARE FORMED AND EVALUATED IN MAFIA: "X IS SCUMMY BECAUSE Z: DISCUSS". THERE ISN'T REALLY A TON MORE TO SAY AT THIS POINT, I COVERED MY GOVA FEARS AND NOW IT'S MOSTLY OBVTOWN INFIGHTING BETWEEN YOU AND GOVA. I'D LIKE SWORDS NEXT WITH GOVA TAKEN CARE OF ATM AS I'LL DESCRIBE, BUT I LACK THE TIME AND WILLPOWER AT THE MOMENT BETWEEN WORK AND SCHOOL TO GO BACK AND DO AN RR-STYLE RE-READ SO I'M MOSTLY WORKING WITH WHAT I'VE GATHERED FROM THE LAST FEW DAYS.



VOTE: SWORDS

SINCE GOVA IS CLEAR OF MARKER SHENANIGAN SUSPICIONS KEVMO SHOULD GO. I FEEL HE'S SCUMMIEST OF THE REMAINING. I DON'T LIKE VERY MUCH THE FACT HIS ROLECLAIM IS "SUPER GUY" AFTER WE JUST CONFIRMED HE HAD A QT WITH AN INDEPENDENT "SUPER GIRL". BESIDES THE FACT HE DIDN'T TAKE THE EFFORT TO SEE WHY GOVA SHOULD NO LONGER BE CONSIDERED A POSSIBLE MARKER AND IS VOTING HIM, HE ALSO SEEMS SUDDENLY CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE NOT LOOK INTO ROLES AND NIGHT ACTIONS (IN A SCUMMY WAY).


HE FEELS LIKE THE OBVIOUS CHOICE TO ME, BUT LIKE SOUP I'M NOT SURE IF OTHER PEOPLE SEE IT THE WAY I DO, AND I DON'T HAVE A SHOT TO MAKE THE CASE-MAKING PROCESS EASY.



@KEVMO NINJA: PROBLEM IS I FEEL THE SAME EXACT WAY ABOUT YOU. YOU BARELY EVEN SHOWED UP THIS GAME AT ALL, JUST LIKE YOU DID IN CELEBRITY REHAB AS MY MAFIA OPPONENT. YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BEYOND SHOW UP ONE TIME AND YELL FOR AWHILE WHEN PEOPLE GREW CONCERNED YOU WEREN'T AROUND. REBUTTAL?

 

[KevinM]

The fact that I showed up on D2 and yelled to lynch a scum?

And then came into the thread on D3 and voted for Swiss and also was confirmed by Rake saying that I wanted to go for Swiss through QT.

I also could say the same to you being almost entirely non-existent, and could also point out that no one has lynched you when you're sitting on two mod votes and yet aren't dead and don't seem all that worried.

 

[Jdietz43]

I'M SOMEWHAT INCREDULOUS THAT YOU'RE USING THE FACT THE INDY YOU SHARE A NAME STYLE AND QT WITH , AND THEREFORE ARE CURRENTLY SUSPECTED TO BE INDY ALIGNED WITH, BACKED YOU UP ON PUSHING A MAFIA MEMBER AS THE CHIEF REASON WE SHOULDN'T BE CONCERNED WITH YOU.

THROWING OUT ME BEING NON-EXISTANT IS LAUGHABLE. YOU LITERALLY HAVE 26 TOTAL POSTS ON HYDRA. I BELIEVE EVEN GOVA HAS MORE AT THIS POINT. IN COMPARISON I'VE BEEN ON LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE SCUM LYNCH WITH NO EXAGGERATION, INCLUDING SINGLEHANDEDLY SHOOTING AN INDY OF MY OWN VOLITION.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT BEING LYNCHED BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE IF IT DOES HAPPEN. I'D ASSUME THE REMAINING SCUM WOULD BE THE ONE TO INITIATE IT, THEN THE GAME WOULD WRAP UP TOMORROW WITH THEIR LYNCH. THE FACT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AS A WEAK REASON TO PUSH ME IS SUSPICIOUS TO ME. I THINK YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T JUST ALPHA ME AND GET AWAY WITH IT, SO ARE INSTEAD TRYING TO PUSH FUD ABOUT IT IN CASE YOU CAN GET JUST ONE OTHER TOWN TO THROW OUT A VOTE WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT IT.


QUOTE THE D2 ACTION YOU REFER TO PLEASE.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Still working on reread prod dodge.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Consider this a mass prod

 

[Gova]

nooooooooooooooooooo

 

[BarDulL]

Who's up for just lynching Gova?