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Utrick'd3 Mafia! Light at the end of the tunnel!

#HBC | Kary

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You guys finally killed someone already

well played

It appears that we cleared up this game.

Hurrah


@Joey: was it you that got our message? Did it help at all?

@Rake: you were aligned with Kevmo, Y/N? Any suspicion he too was indy?

I may have only skimmed this game
 

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Nope i wasn't aligned with Kevmo lol.

All of my suspicion was how he acted D1, and how after calling me his biggest town read in our QT he proceeded to jump all over voting me when the time was just right.

Among other things including:

How he pushed the fact mafia was still around(i tried to do this)
How he took credit for the Vinyl lynch

There is no such thing as too indy.
Although i played this game a little too towny which i realized very late, even had i survived and gotten gova/rr/kevmo in lylo there's no way with how friendly JD and Bardull were that i was going to get one to mis-lynch the other :/
 

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Also yeah six scum but scum was effectively powerless outside of the NK for mafia. I'll delve more into that later though, for now I'm just gunna say good game to everyone who played, and hope you enjoyed it lol
 

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In hindsight, the 6 scum thing wasn't so bad, but gorfdamn 8 town vs 3 indys and 2 mafia, one of them being Yak...so evil. Yak is the lamest role ever, no offense Glyph, it's just so friggin' lame @_@ I feel like I'm walking right back into D1 when someone gets Yakked because I can't completely trust any of my town reads anymore.

Here are my thoughts on all the players, some long, some short and to the point.

[collapse=bardull]My earlier play was ****; my gambit on Swiss was amazing considering he was actually guilty but I ****ed it up when things were getting too out of control. I didn't want to risk the quick lynch with a potential TownSwiss. I had a feeling he was scum from skimming D1 posts, which is why I went through with the gambit and targeted him, but I didn't want to risk a QL off a fake guilty and wanted a more legitimate premise for lynching him (a guilty reaction).

My gambit on Soup was pretty bad too because his AtE is null almost always now. He turned out to be Indy despite his response, and his reading into my intentions was pretty interesting. I have to give him props for that because he had RR convinced at TownSoup.

I thought the rest of my play was fine; I got out reads and information and helped progress conversation. Left no stone unturned essentially. Successfully lynched every scum except for technically Vinyl because KevinM went for the hammer before I did. /salt.[/collapse]

[collapse=Soup]You got really unlucky with that shot from JD, sorry about my **** gambit lol. I don't actually hate you[/collapse]

[collapse=Rake]If Rake had won, I would have given him MVP. He played really well as indy scum and all of his reads were great, but he screwed everything up for himself when he over complicated things for himself and got caught in his own web, alongside the fact that he mixed up watcher and tracker roles. And the reclaim...what the shiz with the power to use Orbo's power? That was weird.[/collapse]

[collapse=Ryker/J]TLM was pretty inactive and ended up subsequently killing off Mafia's chance at winning. Ryker's response to the execute gambit also sealed his fate as the yak target, them dirty parlor tricks. He tried to catch his fumble towards the end but it was a little too late.[/collapse]

[collapse=Jdietz]99% of JD's play was fine. My biggest qualm was the opportunistic jump on Zen/Rake slot when the posting restriction was null, nothing else really stands out as bad. I'm not super sure why he shot Soup (I have to look back and read into that), but it obviously was a great shot. Had great reads and thought processes and kept himself above water.[/collapse]

[collapse=Kary/Joey]I didn't play at all D1 LOL so I don't remember Kary/Joey's play.[/collapse]

[collapse=mfw hydra]DH/Swiss slot apparently made some mistakes, specifically the distancing from TLM wasn't well executed for when the Yak went through. Rake caught onto this, but it wasn't the big reason why TLM got lynched, only a part of it. Reaction to my guilty was appropriate. Not sure what else to say in this regard.[/collapse]

[collapse= RR]RR played fine. Did his RR thing and RR'd his way to victory, I don't know how else to say it lol. Not negative by any means, he just fit his meta this game and played well for Town.[/collapse]

[collapse=KevinM/Iggy]HARDBODIED! You definitely felt too opportunistic in your lynch choices.[/collapse]

[collapse=Orbo]Orbo asked a lot of useless questions and was generally "useless" D1/D2, but his guilty on Swiss helped Town a lot. Orbo shouldn't have outed all the information regarding his role though, only a little so that scum may have targeted me instead. It didn't really matter though because we hit TLM after Swiss/DH died, so we pulled the bullet out as soon as it hit.[/collapse]

[collapse=Vinyl]Vinyl hard sheeped and wasn't being very genuine with his reads, which ultimately lead to his death. He has DEFINITELY improved a lot though so, @Vinyl, keep it up dude.[/collapse]

[collapse=gova]Gova pissed me off this game so much LOL I'm just glad he wasn't some kind of marker. I would have been extremely salty if he was marker because he would have literally won right under Town's nose and not doing very much to avoid us. I was always a little worried about Gova even when RR hammered, like there was an inkling of me thinking he was Town but oh my god I was ready for him to just be like "YO RR EAT THESE COOKIES GG TOWN LUL I'M INDY MARKER" and I would have legitimately broken my computer. Gova did well at the end though when I threw pressure on him. I don't necessarily agree with the way he handled it, i.e. trying to make me look stupid in order to give himself better positioning in our quarrel, but it gave RR the umph he needed to feel secure with GovaTown and to hammer Kevin, and it prevented a possible Gova mislynch (but I would have definitely stuck to Kevmo regardless and I doubt anyone else would have gone the Gova route), so hurting my credibility seemed unnecessary. W/E.[/collapse]

[collapse=MVP]I hardbodied all the right people, but JD/RR were really helpful in making me feel more comfortable with certain lynches (specifically Rake/TLM). JD shot Soup which was definitely really beneficial to Town. JD/RR also had very similar thought processes in comparison to my own, and outed them when I had yet to do so, which made their reads that much more legitimate. That being said, I'm pretty much ok with either of those players getting MVP (JD/RR) aside from myself. I would say Rake but Rake royally ****ed up and got hard bodied at the end LOL.[/collapse]
 

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Curse my complicated claim lol.

I basically claimed JOaT just to scare scum away from killing me(true story).

And to be honest i knew i didn't have a restriction the second zen sent me a second pm stating a restriction.
No mod in the history of ever would purposely dis-include or forget a restriction , luckily i managed to dumb-town tell outta that and make JD look evil.

I regret opening Bardull's eyes to town JD, should have let them at each others throats
 

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Also i'm counting this as my best game ever regardless of alignment

Shoutouts:

Bardull:

Thanks for playing along with the queenmaker, coming into this game and reading up I pretty much at no point felt you were scum, you just read that townie to me. Your reads were pretty spot on and of course you helped get all the scum with your powers. 100 points to Glyphendor :p.
I'm not even salty you hammered me, which is funny because
Deadpool Mafia



JD:

All of the scum ? All of the scum , great reads (even though your early scum dar on me wsa kinda grimey) but I always felt you were just being hard-headed, your play was pretty much as spotless as town can go IMO, plus you got to shoot someone (pretty legit IMO).


Vinyl:

Good scum play but the sheeping was what first alerted me, then add in the ">mfw is a wild-card" and one badish reads list and shabam, But good scum play overall due to the fact it matches closely to how you play as town, the guilty was scum's downfall this game. We need to scum team it once ,we'll be absolutely the scummiest people in the thread XD


RR:

Good town game over-all, my connections case on you was weak, adn basically after reading your post i kinda went : welp RR is town, hopefully not another Indy but meh. I'm just a little salty you tried to hammer me XD


>MFW:

Sucks you weren't able to stay active , basically by the time you got around we already had a guilty and I certainly wasn't going to let off you afte ryou + Vinyl's interactions. Would have liked to see the full power of scum Swiss / Dh so hopefully i get to sometime :)


Orbo:

Epic use of your ability + solid reads, but like Bardull said next time try not to make yourself such a big target. Nice to play another game with ya


Kevmo:

Nice job trying to get those ML's , I feel your ML pain . Solid scum play being the last indy standing , really good reads on scum too.


Joey:

Wasn't around for D1 much but reading you was interesting , I actually did have you as scum until I realized your interactions with Vinyl didn't make any sense as scum. Would have been nice to see you around late game.


TLM:

Again activity more-so than gameplay was your down fall as a yakk'd scum, which sucks because I know personally with both J and Ryker as scum and active it would have been much harder to pin you down. Also thanks for reacting exactly how I needed to put the nail in the coffin ;). Solid play when you were here but definitely inactivity was the biggest thing , nice seeing you in another game btw J ;)


Mad Scummy:

You had a good Swiss scum read, it's part of what drove me to look at vinyl / mfw, too bad you weren't around more , would have been cool to see you around late game :).
And you didn't even get a chance to call me scum XD



Gova:

Solid town game. Although i wasn't lying when i said i couldn't read you lol. It was definitely hard to wrap my head around you being town over indy, but of course it ended up that way :). Solid job by you/ryu/bardull tracing down my insanity and getting me with it :)
But you never gave me any cookies : (



Soup:

Now it's my turn to be surprised you flipped indy, solid early reads on your part and reading you I didn't get much of a scum vibe
Story of my games with you
. It's too bad JD shot you, would have been interesting to be in a position with 3 indies alive at once :)


Glyph:

Thanks for letting me replace into this game :), was mucho fun, flavour was epic and of course Most valuable Mod goes to you purely based off the fact you responded to my ridiculous requests
Still wish you had given me a gun though :salt:

 

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Who do I MVP.

MVP: Jdietz
I second this motion, but I am very very biased on the matter :p

I will say I'm absolutely ECSTATIC that I had a hand in every single scum death... and there were a ton of them. I've never felt like I've had a better performance as town.
 

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If ive learned anything this game its that all y'all a bunch of cookie haters

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Had good reads with a skim-read, started my re-read and then getting converted.

Ugh, why pick us Swiss? Mean person.

But yeah, really glad you guys lynched KevinM/Rake.
 

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For those of you disappointed with the yak, remember that this is not at all a conventional Yak. Mafia was forced to treat them like a scummate from D1, albeit a scummate who wasn't in on their plans at ALL.

Its less of a 2 man mafia picking up a 3rd member, and more of a 3 man mafia with a member who potentially could never even get converted (they could die beforehand)

Shoutouts getting typed up ahora
 

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Shoutouts yaaay


[collapse=Jdietz]99% of JD's play was fine. My biggest qualm was the opportunistic jump on Zen/Rake slot when the posting restriction was null, nothing else really stands out as bad. I'm not super sure why he shot Soup (I have to look back and read into that), but it obviously was a great shot. Had great reads and thought processes and kept himself above water.[/collapse]
Up top Bardull! We did really good this game, probably better than either of us has done for a long time. (and we didn't even die!). It got kind of slow there at the end, but we stuck through it with the right choice. I stand by that Zen thing being a tell though lol, even if it was a right tell for arbitrary reasons it eventually led in the right direction. I don't remember what exactly made me shoot Soup over anyone else, but I think it was the way he kept dismissing pressure D1 combined with the grimy interaction he had with Rake and then me. After he called me out directly it was pretty much "Well ok then."

JD:

All of the scum ? All of the scum , great reads (even though your early scum dar on me wsa kinda grimey) but I always felt you were just being hard-headed, your play was pretty much as spotless as town can go IMO, plus you got to shoot someone (pretty legit IMO).
The correct shot made my life lol. I must have come off super hardball this game, but I can't say it didn't pan out. You did really well yourself. You turned a scum "dead slot lol" read into something that verged on fantastic town for quite awhile. I would have sworn up and down replacing into Zen's slot was a death sentence but you almost made it all the way to end game and did a pretty good job covering the tracks. I know you kind of broke down at the very end, but in my eyes you held out way longer and way better than I'd have thought possible.

*wi-five


[COLLAPSE="Soup"]I knew replacing in that one of either you or Rake was eating a bullet that night. Something about your play just didn't ring town true. If only you had known the irony of saying "I wish I had a gun right now" when you decided it would be a good move to pick a fight with me at the end of the day after I was scrutinizing Rake. The fact that apparently you were also the scum I was supposed to be hunting all along for my flavor? Amazing.

I still really want to know what you were capable of as Anti-Ryker[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Ryker/J"]It probably would have been way more interesting if you guys had played more. Still... the fact that J was once again the opposite alignment of me is amazing (that's like at least 4 games now)



(hasn't been inaccurate yet, lol)[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Kary"]You died way to fast, you didn't even get to be alive when I was around. Bad luck I guess :([/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="DH/Swiss"]I wasn't sure about your slot for a while, you were being shady yet not obvious scum by any means. Then you suddenly stopped looking so good the night after we got Soup.

Legit tell me: was there any way the fact I was vig escaped you lol[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Red Ryu"]Just like MFW, I wasn't sure about you at first either. But pretty soon after fence sitting you started to exhibit some decent thought and town tells. The possibility of an Indy Commuter Survivor made me do a re-check, but your general position rang true. I just wish you'd have been just a little more decisive when it came down to getting your opinion out and scum picks chosen.[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="KevinM/Iggy"]Coming in D2 and yelling a bit does not great town play make lol. It helped keep you off the immediate lynch list that you were being somewhat vocal, but by the time endgame came around you were in no state to win. As soon as the dust settled a bit and the game slowed down (and Gova proved himself) you were a pretty easy pick. You just didn't have enough town cred to take to Lylo.[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Orbo"]When I came into the game and read up, I admit I didn't have high hopes of you being a townie who made an impact, you already seemed like you were in sheep Swiss mode and I just thought "uh oh, oh well". But pretty soon after the flips started coming in you started shining. For a day or two there you really had town focused and doing detective work. I know Bardull tried to sort of "take the heat" for you which didn't turn out after a day or two, but in the end you did some real good work from when you soft claimed to when you were finally put out of commission.[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Vinyl"]Like other people already said, there's visible improvement in your play. At the end of the day you got caught out without too much fuss, but there was hesitation there on the part of town. You left enough doubt in your play that it wasn't unanimous, instant, or not fought over. Good job.[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Gova"]You can feed me cookies anytime mang, I love cookies... just not impossible to read Indy Marker Wifom paranoia in a Utrick'd where anything is possible... and I fail at dodging caps on a regular basis XD

I'm really glad you pulled yourself out of the "not sure" hole and into a somewhat confident town read at the end there. Your early content was mostly null, it could have easily gotten messy if you hadn't stepped up to the plate.[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Joey"]I still can't spell masqurain without looking it up (which I didn't just now lol). You had the makings of town at first, then you gave a lot of us (including me) pause when you suddenly seemed not to care who died. Sad to say you died early, but at least we didn't end up causing a big to do in town about your slot. You did well beyond that before you left, though I would have liked to see you (like RR) a little more vocal about your reads, it was hard to tell where you were at.[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Zen and Xonar/S2"]Quitters don't get shoutouts, geez what are you looking in here for :p
[COLLAPSE="Ok fine"]Zen: That fake restriction bro... My gut told me it was bad news, and apparently it was. I've just got to know one thing: was scum advantage actually your intent when you did that, or were you just ****ing around (probably both)

Xonar/S2: I've gotta admit, when I came into the game I had our own slot as scummy. I have no idea what you guys did, I guess I just hate Hamtaro??? (it was probably the restriction.) Seriously though: this flavor... just: this flavor.[/COLLAPSE][/COLLAPSE]


[COLLAPSE="Glyph"]Best game eva' supa fun. I haven't laughed like I did at 101 Dalmatians in a mafia setting in a long while. This setup was filled with more twists than a bad M. Night Shyamalan movie. I honestly started to question just what the hell could possibly be going on when it became apparent there was a SIXTH scum, it was hernia inducing, just like a Utrick'd should be lol. I'm just so glad that through all the near miss "trick'd"s we all (town) came out on top.[/COLLAPSE]
 

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according to glyph you were scum from the beginning. You just didn't know

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Spoiler I stole this format from Rake. Each person's section has my shoutout to them, as well as any comments I had about the design of their role.

[COLLAPSE=Bardull]
Had some stuff early on I was shaky on, but you really turned on the juice when it came to making smart flavorcop picks and late game play. Just generally entertaining to watch lol.

Bardull's role is, of course, very weak on its own accord. But once you pair it with Orbo, you've got potential to do some VERY serious damage to scum. I'll discuss this a little further in Orbo's section, since his role is the meat of this combination.
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=Jdietz]
Another member of the Scum Bodying Crew. Whats there to say, just very solid play.

I do think its funny that the role this one was designed to catch wound up being the same role that they shot. It was a ballsy move that could have been devastating had soup been town, but he wasn't so :shades:
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=Vinyl]
Got caught up in the Orbo/Bardull hurricane, not much you could do at that point lol.

This was one of the roles I would have liked to see used at least once, as it would have sown a TON of confusion for town. Why wasn't there a NK? Why isn't there a flip? Whole thing would have screamed indy play, and potentially shifted the search away from mafia and towards the 3 indies.

Or it could have done none of that what am I psychic
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=RR]
Did a great job of just playing a solid town game while keeping your head down enough to not draw a NK. Makes me wish you had been scum this game, since your play is like ideal for that.

Commuter was effectively a soft doc, since there was only one other protective in the game and there was no guarantee that they'd even be protecting any given night. Only really came into play when Bardull tried to flavorcop him, but all was well in the end.
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=>mfw]
To be frank, this wasn't a very effective hydra. You both had good ideas and plans for the game, but they were just so at ends with each other that you wound up having to fight yourselves just as much as the other players.

This is the yak role we've been talking about. At the start of D1 they had to pick a player to be recruited when they died. Forcing the choice at the beginning of the game is (I believe) a huge balancing factor to the yak role. If they want to have a 3rd scum member, they have to make absolutely sure that their pick outlives them. Which means, for all purposes, they have to play as if they're already recruited to the mafia faction.

Factor in all the room for error and I think its the only way to handle a yak and not completely **** over town.
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=Orbo]
No doubt my favorite role in the game (possibly out of any of the games I've run), and you played it VERY well. Good work figuring out what the clues given to you (I tried not to make them TOO easy lol).

This role could have worked against town very easily too, especially when there were more roles alive that targeted. Orbo would have received a clue based on EVERY person who had visited the player killed. Not only that, but the night JD took his shot there was a 50/50 shot that he'd go to the other crime scene instead of the scum kill's. But random.com is a fickle beast and decided to help you guys catch >mfw instead of falsely painting JD in a bad light.
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=KevinM]
Really feel like Rake/Zen buried you more than you ever did yourself lol. The whole idea between your neighborhood was the assumption that one member of a neighborhood is town. I distinctly remember soup making a post along the lines 'I'll bet one of the neighborhood between Swords and Zen is town'.

This concept was one I was very excited about and just didn't play out as I expected due to the way the other half handled it. It was SUPPOSED to be a soft PR in that you'd be falsely cleared when the other player died, but hey thems the breaks.
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=Joey]
Never really felt like you were too excited to be in this game, but thanks for sticking it out anyway lol.

This role was neat and just never came into play. Say Orbo or Bardull had died before posting any of their results. When they died, they would have been able to leave a short message for Joey passing those on to him.
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=TLM]
Life just kind of got in the way, no hard feelings though lol.

This role was super high risk, super high reward. Once they picked up 3 hammers, they would become permanently immune to NKs. Probably the strongest (solo) anti-mafia role in the game, so its ironic that they were the one recruited.
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=Mad Scummy]
Another really fun role that died before its time... You guys had a great run while alive, but getting killed N1 just happens somtimes.

The premise of this role was pretty straightforward, Kary could offer his services as a soldier to any other player in the game. Then THAT player would decide if they wanted Kary to roleblock OR protect a player in the game. Only thing is, they weren't told Kary would be informed of their instructions (though hopefully they'd know he would be). Would have been fun to watch play out but YOU GOT KILLED :(
[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE=Gova]
Another player I felt was more upset about the Dalmatians thing, and it kind your desire to play this game. I don't really fault you for it though, just how it is haha.

Gova's role was another one of those silly roles to keep things from getting TOO serious, and also be another targeting role to mess with Orbo's results.
[/COLLAPSE]

Soup:
[COLLAPSE=Soup]
And then there was Soup, the ACTUAL marker lol. Would have been fun to see how you played through the game, but JD made a really good shot on you and cut your run short sadly.
[/COLLAPSE]

Wow that took a while
 

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according to glyph you were scum from the beginning. You just didn't know

:phone:
No, they were 100% town as long as >mfw was alive. They just had to be treated like they were a scummate by >mfw to keep them alive.
 

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also bardull you were right my push on you was to make myself look more townie high risk high reward though if it meant lynching kevmo
Made me see you more as town.

So GJ on that.

Oddly enough Glyph, OS has been insisting I keep this style for mafia, it ensures I make it to lylo but was ****ty with my PR, no one wanted to kill me. :<
 

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Now that I would think about it, it IS pretty interesting to not see a flip by the end of the day. :p

And thanks for the shoutouts, y'all. :3
 

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[COLLAPSE=Jdietz]
Another member of the Scum Bodying Crew. Whats there to say, just very solid play.

I do think its funny that the role this one was designed to catch wound up being the same role that they shot. It was a ballsy move that could have been devastating had soup been town, but he wasn't so :shades:
[/COLLAPSE]
But was it MVP worthy solid play? :3
 

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that's not important, you should be asking yourself if it was cookie worthy play.

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Don't beg for MvPs. =P

Imo, No MvP because no member really was the BEST but imo Bardull played the best this game.
 

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Yeah certainly no MVP. There were multiple people who had a great game, but on one person who really stood out at 'most valuable'
 

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Don't beg for MvPs. =P

Imo, No MvP because no member really was the BEST but imo Bardull played the best this game.
Asking is hardly begging. I'm honestly curious. (because I suspect I may never do this well again lol, I want to know where the bar is)

I gave you the last one, literally. :(

:phone:
Dang :<


@Ninja: Kk. High fives all around town.

Do you think we can see the roles eventually too?
 

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that moment when glyph doesnt' comment on your play

Obviously my play was an enormous wild-card even to the mod. :obv:

at least i'll always have the pm he sent me <3
 

DtJ Glyphmoney

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Rake that took forever to write and I just started getting to the big points lol

:phone:
 

Shun Goku Satsu Rake

Oriwa Rake. Kaizo ko ni oriwa naru
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Yes.
Somehow we would have.

We could have been King Rake.

Glyph as long as you keep being Glyph i am cool with no shout out :)
 
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