[Updated 06/09/16] 19XXTE 0.11, ROM Hack (Working on Console!)

[Deleted member]

ayyyy gurl. Whats poppin' sweet cheeks?

lol *blushes*

 

[Cyjorg]

Would you be able to add a way for Metal Mario to be playable like you did the Polygons? Like, press C-Down on Mario and you get Metal Mario.

Not until I can give a visual cue for it

 

[Puppyfaic]

Not until I can give a visual cue for it

Well, I hope it's something you can make happen, because it's easily my most-wanted feature.

 

[Treedot]

Not until I can give a visual cue for it

It would be kinda fun. Considering there are gameshark codes to play as Metal Mario it shouldn't be too hard. You're doing good work here, guy.

 

[Respect38]

I think that the How to Play stage would be valuable for stage diversity for the fact that it has a significantly low ceiling. It's kind of a sister stage to Yoshi's Island in how it has a blast zone on the other extreme compared to FD, BF, and MC.

Balance out the side blast zones by making the right blast zone the same distance from the origin as the left blast zone and then we have 5 stages that are neutral enough to be starters, if a tournament wanted to do stage striking. [or reduce it to 3 stages if it would make for a healthier metagame]

Also, so-called "Kirby Beta 2" could be improved by giving the platform on the top a texture so that it's obvious that it's there. I support it being in the pack eventually, should something happen to make it possible.

Also, it would be interesting if the polygon characters could be quickly examined to see if they have any values changed on their moves--since it's already obvious that there are some minor details of the characters changed. [Link's Polygon version having a higher jump and double jump, Pikachu's Polygon version having slower air speed... perhaps there are more changes with things that are harder to immediately tell the difference with]

 

[Shears]

All the extra stages are really good and are tournament viable but probably won't be tournament legal because not everyone can use 19xxte and because of that it limits a lot of people.

People need to understand the difference between "glitch" and "it doesn't do exactly what I want it to do the way I want it to do it because I'm a spoiled little brat". BF ledges are fine. There is no glitch. Saying its glitched is like saying peachs castle is glitched because ledge DI doesn't work the same way it does on dreamland (it doesn't work at all). The stages are perfectly fine and completely viable, they won't be tournament legal though regardless of blast zone or ledge changes. Any reactions to the ledge are clearly from people not doing enough testing and just reacting to a rumor or video they saw or the one time they tried it out.

 

[Morin0]

I might be recalling wrong, but wasn't that the argument used against tournaments using Ever Drives? (e.g., enforcing 8 min timers with 19XX) 'cause not all setups will have one? But people were like, "lol no. People should get an Ever Drive."

 

[Uair]

I might be recalling wrong, but wasn't that the argument used against tournaments using Ever Drives? (e.g., enforcing 8 min timers with 19XX) 'cause not all setups will have one? But people were like, "lol no. People should get an Ever Drive."

What's wrong with using a Wii? Isn't smash on VC? It shouldn't have any emulation related issues that would effect the game. It's a lot cheaper to buy a Wii and SD card or whatever. EverDrivers cost like 300 dollars.

 

[Cyjorg]

What's wrong with using a Wii? Isn't smash on VC? It shouldn't have any emulation related issues that would effect the game. It's a lot cheaper to buy a Wii and SD card or whatever. EverDrivers cost like 300 dollars.

Smash on VC has frame skips. However injecting the rom into sin and punishment is fine

 

[cvskid]

What's wrong with using a Wii? Isn't smash on VC? It shouldn't have any emulation related issues that would effect the game. It's a lot cheaper to buy a Wii and SD card or whatever. EverDrivers cost like 300 dollars.

About $190 plus shipping actually not $300 and frame skip issues due to it being emulation and not actual real hardware. Plus if you wanted you could use the everdrive for more then just super smash bros.

 

[Shears]

I might be recalling wrong, but wasn't that the argument used against tournaments using Ever Drives? (e.g., enforcing 8 min timers with 19XX) 'cause not all setups will have one? But people were like, "lol no. People should get an Ever Drive."

No you totally misunderstood that discussion. Everdrives in tournament are fine as long as the ruleset doesn't include stages people don't have access too. Everyone has access to an 8 minute timer whether or not they have an everdrive (phone, stop watch, microwave) so everdrives used for timer purposes are totally fine. Thats like saying "everdrives should be illegal because not everyone has access to pink yoshi".

 

[Indefa]

About $190 plus shipping actually not $300 and frame skip issues due to it being emulation and not actual real hardware. Plus if you wanted you could use the everdrive for more then just super smash bros.

Where are you getting $190 from?
http://shop.krikzz.com/EverDrive-64-v25-ED64V25.htm

Maybe you are thinking of the 64Drive?

 

[G-Rabbit]

Cyjorg If you keep the rest of the main menu inaccessible past the versus mode menu (I personally like that for this mod), can you add Stereo/Mono to the debug menu in the future?

 

[caneut]

Sick dude! Glad you open minded and enjoying the mod!

Seriously the mod is not for everyone. But bringing negativity and false facts to my thread (something you've done in the past) is not necessary. Please refrain from doing so and troll somewhere else.

Treedot an email list is not something I'm personally capable of. I may set up a Twitter or something along those lines to announce new updates.

Are you kidding?

What false facts am I bringing to this thread, and how am I trolling? I stated that I think the other stages that aren't Dreamland suck. That's an opinion, and for competitive play it's pretty much fact worthy, hell even Shears thinks so.

I understand the want for those modded stages because they are some of the most neutral stages the game has besides Dreamland, and they aren't easily available for people besides this mod. But the fact is they still aren't very competitive and I do not find them fun, that doesn't mean I'm insulting the work you've done on this mod and the community...

I just had the idea to randomize the music because despite the mod allowing people to play stages other than Dreamland, some people still just want to play dreamland, and a little variety in music would be nice...

 

[Puppyfaic]

they are some of the most neutral stages ... they still aren't very competitive

... what?

 

[caneut]

... what?

battlefield, final destination, yoshi without clouds, are not competitive. not very fun in my eyes. just meme stages

 

[Respect38]

If you want to talk about this ****, caneut, then please start a new thread, buddy. Or bump an old one about FD or something with your opinion. This is not the place for it.

[...would it be possible to get a moderator in here that's willing to clean this thread up?]

 

[Deleted member]

If you want to talk about this ****, caneut, then please start a new thread, buddy. Or bump an old one about FD or something with your opinion. This is not the place for it.

[...would it be possible to get a moderator in here that's willing to clean this thread up?]

I agree. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

 

[Cyjorg]

What false facts am I bringing to this thread

what happens if you remove the things that make dreamland lag during teams from 19xx????? sprites is what fire said made dl lag so can we remove those to not require OC console?

No evidence behind this whatsoever.

I stated that I think the other stages that aren't Dreamland suck.

Unnecessarily negative and brings nothing to the thread. Unless you have a specific complaint (ie blastzones are too big) keep your opinion to yourself.

That's an opinion, and for competitive play it's pretty much fact worthy, hell even Shears thinks so.

All the extra stages are really good and are tournament viable but probably won't be tournament legal because not everyone can use 19xxte and because of that it limits a lot of people.

What was that about Shears opinion?

because they are some of the most neutral stages the game has

they still aren't very competitive

This is just funny.

Random stage toggle is a good idea. I'll put it in. Stay out of my thread.

Cyjorg If you keep the rest of the main menu inaccessible past the versus mode menu (I personally like that for this mod), can you add Stereo/Mono to the debug menu in the future?

Looking to redo the code for the debug menu and have the stage select option could become the stereo toggle.

 

[GFD]

Are the single-player modes the only ones causing trouble? If so, would it be possible to move the debug menu there? Maybe you could even texture-hack "1P MODE" to say "19XXTE".

 

[Morin0]

I agree. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

lol

No you totally misunderstood that discussion. Everdrives in tournament are fine as long as the ruleset doesn't include stages people don't have access too. Everyone has access to an 8 minute timer whether or not they have an everdrive (phone, stop watch, microwave) so everdrives used for timer purposes are totally fine. Thats like saying "everdrives should be illegal because not everyone has access to pink yoshi".

Yeah, that's what it was.

 

[Indefa]

I have to say I quite like C caneut 's idea of an option for music changing on DL. Having BF/Metal Mario music on DL would be pretty cool.

 

[The American Patriot]

Taking this to a weekly tournament I go to. Hopefully I can revive smash 64 there by showing them this amazing hack!

 

[caneut]

No evidence behind this whatsoever.



Unnecessarily negative and brings nothing to the thread. Unless you have a specific complaint (ie blastzones are too big) keep your opinion to yourself.





What was that about Shears opinion?





This is just funny.

Random stage toggle is a good idea. I'll put it in. Stay out of my thread.



Looking to redo the code for the debug menu and have the stage select option could become the stereo toggle.

1. That was an idea, did I not make myself clear? I'm not saying I know anything about 64 code/emulation or whatever. I don't know what makes teams with TA lag on dreamland for console. Fire told me that all the sprites on dreamland makes console lag with teams, not saying that's true, that's just what I've heard. If that is the case, there should be a way to remove those sprites and still play the game, right? Just an idea.

2. Stages that aren't dreamland (Battlefield, FD) do suck for a multitude of reasons. I'm not giving examples to why they suck, they have been told before.

3. I actually misread Shears, but a bunch of people who are better at running tournaments, and at playing smash think so.

4. Supports high tiers and hurts low tiers.

Still, this all started with just wanting random music for stages. Just because you disagree with people wanting to play Dreamland only doesn't mean you should just outcast those who want random music for when they do play Dreamland only, you're just being silly.

 

[Shears]

3. I actually misread Shears, but a bunch of people who are better at running tournaments, and at playing smash think so.

LOL, who else even runs tournaments and/or does a better job?

 

[caneut]

LOL, who else even runs tournaments and/or does a better job?

Japan

 

[Respect38]

Caneut, you've already been asked to make a new thread if you want to discuss this. Is that impossible for you to do?

Are there... any mods at all that are willing to infract or delete posts? If not, we might as well go ahead and make this thread a discussion for the stages because it's already been spammed to hell with nonsense anyway.

 

[Madao]

1. That was an idea, did I not make myself clear? I'm not saying I know anything about 64 code/emulation or whatever. I don't know what makes teams with TA lag on dreamland for console. Fire told me that all the sprites on dreamland makes console lag with teams, not saying that's true, that's just what I've heard. If that is the case, there should be a way to remove those sprites and still play the game, right? Just an idea.

I like this idea and it should be looked into. If nobody cares about backgrounds, they can be removed for a potential performance gain. Considering it makes a noticeable difference on emulators (meaning toasters have less lag), I imagine the same result would happen for console.

2. Stages that aren't dreamland (Battlefield, FD) do suck for a multitude of reasons. I'm not giving examples to why they suck, they have been told before.

3. I actually misread Shears, but a bunch of people who are better at running tournaments, and at playing smash think so.

4. Supports high tiers and hurts low tiers.

Still, this all started with just wanting random music for stages. Just because you disagree with people wanting to play Dreamland only doesn't mean you should just outcast those who want random music for when they do play Dreamland only, you're just being silly.

I also think your idea about random music is good. It might not be easy to implement, but I can see why some people would be interested. However, I do not want to see this stage argument escalate. Some people like Dream Land only, while other people like other stages. Nobody's mind is going to suddenly change because of an argument.

I'd like this thread to stay on topic.

 

[caneut]

Caneut, you've already been asked to make a new thread if you want to discuss this. Is that impossible for you to do?

Are there... any mods at all that are willing to infract or delete posts? If not, we might as well go ahead and make this thread a discussion for the stages because it's already been spammed to hell with nonsense anyway.

Still, this all started with just wanting random music for stages. Just because you disagree with people wanting to play Dreamland only doesn't mean you should just outcast those who want random music for when they do play Dreamland only, you're just being silly.

Should I ask for 19xx to have random music on all stages in a different thread?

 

[caneut]

I like this idea and it should be looked into. If nobody cares about backgrounds, they can be removed for a potential performance gain. Considering it makes a noticeable difference on emulators (meaning toasters have less lag), I imagine the same result would happen for console.

If it meant that ANY console could run teams without lag, and we didn't have to overclock it would change EVERYTHING. Saying as only a select few of consoles are even able to be overclocked, and even in the rare case you have one, overclocking is hard to do and can even brick the console permanently.

 

[Respect38]

Should I ask for 19xx to have random music on all stages in a different thread?

No, but if you want to argue about whether the stages should be tournament legal, then do it in another thread.

Stuff about actual development of the mod is open game, but stuff about developing tournaments that happen to use the mod is not.

 

[caneut]

possible to make the music play a random stages song every time? no more dreamland 24/7?

I'm fairly certain the purpose of this in the first place is so we no longer have to only play on Dreamland.

but the other 19xx stages suck ****. dreamland is the only good stage

Wasn't trying to promote an argument, would have ended right there if not for

Sick dude! Glad you open minded and enjoying the mod!

Seriously the mod is not for everyone. But bringing negativity and false facts to my thread (something you've done in the past) is not necessary. Please refrain from doing so and troll somewhere else.

Again, what false 'fact' did I spout from saying that the non-dl stages, 'suck ****.'

 

[Madao]

I will clean up the thread once this gets sorted out. From now on, try to stay on topic.

If it meant that ANY console could run teams without lag, and we didn't have to overclock it would change EVERYTHING. Saying as only a select few of consoles are even able to be overclocked, and even in the rare case you have one, overclocking is hard to do and can even brick the console permanently.

I do not know if it will be enough, but I'll see about making a patch. Even hitbox mode might make it less laggy, but idk if you guys would want to do that. So far, we have gameshark codes for training mode. Now that compression isn't a big deal, I should be able to edit the stages and remove some stuff.

 

[caneut]

I do not know if it will be enough, but I'll see about making a patch. Even hitbox mode might make it less laggy, but idk if you guys would want to do that. So far, we have gameshark codes for training mode. Now that compression isn't a big deal, I should be able to edit the stages and remove some stuff.

Things like hitbox mode would be nice, if only it were an option that could be easily turned off and on. Maybe you could remove the function of the Handicap modifier, so OFF doesn't change anything, AUTO turned off backgrounds for less lag, then OFF turned on hitbox mode. Or if the Damage % function turned off to be default no-matter the number in the options, and each number was a different gameshark mode.

 

[Shears]

Things like hitbox mode would be nice, if only it were an option that could be easily turned off and on. Maybe you could remove the function of the Handicap modifier, so OFF doesn't change anything, AUTO turned off backgrounds for less lag, then OFF turned on hitbox mode. Or if the Damage % function turned off to be default no-matter the number in the options, and each number was a different gameshark mode.

Hitbox can be toggled with 19xx. It's super easy.

btw, Japan is single elim, bo1, not for money, and they don't stream. How do they do a better job again? Oh because they have better players since player skill directly correlates to tournament efficiency.

 

[GamingMaster]

this guys funny. the way u speak sounds like u never played 19xxte cuz u say stuf like "hitbox mode ftw" lol

Things like hitbox mode would be nice, if only it were an option that could be easily turned off and on. Maybe you could remove the function of the Handicap modifier, so OFF doesn't change anything, AUTO turned off backgrounds for less lag, then OFF turned on hitbox mode. Or if the Damage % function turned off to be default no-matter the number in the options, and each number was a different gameshark mode.

wut r u tryin to say???!!!

just remembered i remember playing 19xx on vc and when ur offscreen the bubble has a black square around it

 

[GFD]

That wouldn't be a problem with 19XXTE. Assuming you injected it into the Sin & Punishment emulator, that's just an artifact of how that emulator functions. This wouldn't be the case if 19XXTE was injected into the Super Smash Bros. emulator, but I've never found a way to do this.

 

[Cyjorg]

1. That was an idea, did I not make myself clear? I'm not saying I know anything about 64 code/emulation or whatever. I don't know what makes teams with TA lag on dreamland for console. Fire told me that all the sprites on dreamland makes console lag with teams, not saying that's true, that's just what I've heard. If that is the case, there should be a way to remove those sprites and still play the game, right? Just an idea.

2. Stages that aren't dreamland (Battlefield, FD) do suck for a multitude of reasons. I'm not giving examples to why they suck, they have been told before.

3. I actually misread Shears, but a bunch of people who are better at running tournaments, and at playing smash think so.

4. Supports high tiers and hurts low tiers.

Still, this all started with just wanting random music for stages. Just because you disagree with people wanting to play Dreamland only doesn't mean you should just outcast those who want random music for when they do play Dreamland only, you're just being silly.

The random music toggle is coming. The rest of your opinions are irrelevant to me. Go discuss legality elsewhere.

 

[GamingMaster]

r u gonna make a seperate rom for boot to css or something cuz the game could boot to css and at will hold start while the game is booting to boot to debug. btw is infinite camera possible like 360 zoom out and change target to other player?

 

[Cyjorg]

r u gonna make a seperate rom for boot to css or something cuz the game could boot to css and at will hold start while the game is booting to boot to debug. btw is infinite camera possible like 360 zoom out and change target to other player?

No. In order to add code to the game, I branch into the freespace in the ROM which holds my custom code. Unfortunately, the code is not loaded into RAM immediately so branching there causes a game crash. The debug menu, however, has free space for me to write the necessary functions (namely music toggles) and then copy them into the free space.