Up B canceling on the ledge to a walljump dair spike

[DelxDoom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0tuY7QgdJk&fmt=18

at 0:28, n00b does an up b cancel into a walljump up b.

the first time I saw this I didn't put too much thought into it, but it could probably be worth a stock when edgeguarding people with limited recoveries or MK/etc who chase offstage.

It seems to be mostly possible on FD due to the lip being accessible.

It's a situational trick but it's WORTH A STOCK so it's something to work on.

most people won't think to airdodge the dair or might not be able to on their first time vs it.



so yeah.

 

[n00b]

I haven't been able to up b cancel -> walljump -> anything consistently yet

its hard. really hard.

 

[DelxDoom]

alright. back to trying to edgeguard with nair

 

[n00b]

Yo at close range, i run off and uair, it sends them at weird angles.. if i'm holding on to the edge i drop from ledge and nair, hoping it will stage spike. dair is too slow. I like to play fast. haha.

If they're medium-far I like zair -> di towards them -> nair -> dj zair its really sexy.. :]

 

[DelxDoom]

I find uair offstage to hit them up too much. They usually won't sdi out of offstage uair lol
it does give possibilities to lead into fair, and the last hit of fair when edgeguarding is cool.

I think edgeguarding with up b would be completely random and therefore workable vs characters that have vertical recoveries (Marth/Mario type stuff) even without the canceling into dair.
Then again, it's best to predict when they use up b and just trade with dair wherever they end up.
I find bombs too slow.
I find full charge shot stagespikes not to work because charge shot moves too fast and dissipates against the stage too fast..

We need to figure out a semicharge shot -> dair spike edgeguard.

 

[xoxokev]

di towards them

...ur misusing the term DI

 

[DelxDoom]

there's seriously no alternative term but I feel like I have to avoid using "DI" for simply... aerial movement control or whatever

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

You could always use the word "Move". It still exists... This would be pretty awesome to pull off, but it can't be very practical.

 

[Hive]

wait are we talking about edgeguarding people while you're on the ledge and they are off the stage? @.@ <- confused

 

[Commander_Beef]

It's not guarenteed that all the frames of the upB of both will hit, so it only ends up to be 12 damage. . . -_-. Good defense against Meta Knight only though.

 

[n00b]

i think you misunderstand my mission as a samus main is to be supremely flashy all of the time and only marginally victorious some of the time.

 

[DelxDoom]

we are talking about metaknights who will chase you offstage so you up b them and cancel the up b and jump into the wall -> wall jump (because canceling your up b recovers your second jump, always) and dair.

n00b knows where it's at.