Before I respond, I want to apologize for snapping at you Horse.
I'm kind of flustered because these past couple of days, I had to type out an essay and study for finals which are this week for the next three days, so I'm on here and doing that simultaneously, and somehow, during all this time, I've had to deal with:
a) a long debate on Waluigi (thankfully, it wasn't heated)
b) Noah/SilverSaturn's low mental capacity on the Roster Discussion thread
c) being dragged into an argument with a Krystal fanboy over a post I made SIX MONTHS AGO in her thread
d) being ridiculed for defending that the
possibility of Goku being in Smash even exists
e) Diddy being his usual stoner self
f) something a little more personal with the Project Crusade forum
and I
really did not need being accused of being too literal and incapable of thinking of consistency on top of it.
So while my lashing out at you is unacceptable (and I apologize), you need to understand my situation.
Well I guess we just don't mesh together well in arguing. All I just said was that Yuri isn't really a threat, but he isn't really that eligible either (as much as you can find it childishly put).
I don't know though, I bet even if I did take few words back, you wouldn't really have made much change of a tone (saying I'm belittling Yuri childishly.)
I'm stating that consistency is still there. Even the Tales Of-directors
are going more with "hidden meanings" than being literal like you.
(Otherwise, why didn't they mention Yuri then over mentioning characters like Lloyd and Luke, or heck, along with 'em? I guess it means he wasn't really in front of their minds when thinking which Tales Of-characters can be eligible to Smash.)
They didn't mention any characters directly whatsoever.
Now, I may just be being "too literal" again, but this is what they said:
"But we need to keep in mind that a character can only appear in a Smash Bros game if he already appeared on a Nintendo console. This is one of the conditions, and many Tales characters do not fulfill it. Of course, some do, like characters from Tales of Symphonia or Tales of the Abyss."
They are listing "characters from Tales of Symphonia or Tales of the Abyss" as examples of characters that fulfill the condition that a character can only appear in a Smash Bros. game if he already appeared on a Nintendo console.
They didn't mention Phantasia, so that must mean they don't think highly of Cless by your logic.
And when Hearts was brought up as another potential option by the interviewer (who apparently loves the game), they just go off about how the game was a big deal for Hideo Baba rather than mention a character such as Shing being a possibility. Guess that means only Lloyd and Luke have any sort of chance.
Some have been, like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro and so on. (Though now it depends which Sony-characters we're talking about.)
But hey, even if they aren't likely, it could affect the way eligibility will be laid out on people's minds and demands for characters we agree aren't really belonging to the Nintendo-fest that is Smash Bros.
I don't think Sakurai wants that to happen regarding character requests. (Even if choosing the characters mostly himself)
For clarification, someone like Kratos from God of War is a Sony character, as he is actually owned by them and legally cannot appear on a non-Sony console.
Crash and Spyro are not Sony characters. Sony does not own them nor have they ever owned them.
They may have had exclusive publishing rights to the franchises initially, but since 2000, these rights have been lost, allowing the two franchises to go multi-platform.
Though if the issue is that they are seen as Sony All-Stars for their history, then we already know that doesn't mean much, since it didn't stop Snake, who is seen as one of Playstation's biggest stars. If Sakurai really cared about status as an All-Star from a Nintendo rival, neither Snake nor Sonic (Sega used to be Nintendo's biggest enemy, after all) would have been in Brawl.
So I shouldn't ever exaggarate things, because it makes me literal and thus, childishly overreacting. I guess I see a big difference between you and other speculators when it comes to reception about how I state my views and opinions. (And boy, do they have all these statements which don't necessarily mean they'll happen.)
You shouldn't exaggerate things because it doesn't help your case.
No seriously, think of this scenario:
A: "Yuri Lowell could possibly be a threat to Lloyd due to his overall popularity. With his appearance in Project X Zone, he follows Sakurai's rule that guests must appear on a Nintendo system."
B: "But Project X Zone is just a crossover, it shouldn't count."
A: "An appearance on a Nintendo system is still an appearance, regardless of whether or not it's that character's specific game. By Sakurai's requirement, he is eligible."
B: "If he gets in, then we should just add a bunch of characters that will just send people to other consoles!!!"
So yes, not only does the exaggeration not really provide a good argumentation, it is, as you say, childishly overreacting.
Are you referring to Tales Of-fanbase in this regard? That wasn't really the audience that I was referring to, I was referring to the general fanbase. I guess Yuri would please a lot japanese fans (and to a lesser extent XBOX360 audience,) but outside of Japan I don't think he'd be well-known enough to bring in lots of audience for Nintendo-consoles (unless it just means Wii Us being bought solely for SSB by Tales Of-fans.)
"General fanbase" then would mean no Tales character at all would be a good pick, given how niche it is outside Japan.
That being said, if it weren't for Namco working on Smash 4, there wouldn't even be a sliver of hope for any character. However, they are. And the Tales director is (supposedly) a main developer alongside Sakurai. AND, he would love to see a character in the game.
With Yuri, the voted fan-favorite of the series, having Nintendo appearances (albeit limited one through a guest appearance in Project X Zone and as a summonable character in Tales of Hearts), it stands to reason that he's the best option.
Though the only way he's getting in (or any Tales character for that matter) is if Yoshi-to actually talks to Sakurai about it. This is because no Tales character has reasonable support, even after Yoshizumi's comment.
The only Namco character that would get in due to support would be Pac-Man at this point in time, and even then, his support pales in comparison to Capcom's Mega Man.
Fair point there, but for it being a remastered game, not a remake, it wouldn't be completely that bad.
The difference really is that Vesperia, never being released on a Nintendo-system, has to be represented in some way or another, and that means showing content about game that never was released on a Nintendo-console (Compare Snake for example who had a game like MGS: Twin Snakes on both Gamecube and PS2, pretty much like Lloyd was.)
Correction: Twin Snakes was never on PS2. Twin Snakes is a remastering of the original Metal Gear Solid that was on PS2. Much like this remaster of both Symphonia games for PS3.
Aside from that, both Metal Gear gave reference to games in the series that did not appear on a Nintendo system in Brawl's time.
It had the Gekkos from MGS4, Naked Snake's appearance being tied to Solid Snake (Big Boss did not appear on a Nintendo system in his younger years until the remake of MGS3 for 3DS), the butterfly-shaped C3's from MGS3, the Cypher from MGS2, Metal Gear RAY from MGS2, trophies of some of the forementioned as well as of Iroquois Pliskin and the Shagohod, and music from Metal Gear 2, MGS2, MGS3, Portable Ops, and even a Brawl version of the upcoming MGS4's Love Theme.
At least Symphonia was still on a Nintendo-console which people got to play about the most (worldwide), so it'd appeal to the fans who played that game on GCN, and also those who get to experience it on the PS3 since they're playing the same game from the Nintendo-consoles as well. Due this, Lloyd is lesser of the two evils.
Implying there was an "evil" to begin with.
You also seem to be jumping from previously talking about the "general fanbase" of Smash to "fans of Symphonia" for this particular point. I thought you were all about consistency?
But anyways, pretty sure the overall fan-favorite of the series would have a bigger impact.
As you wish. Just saying though that we aren't "delusional" either for having mostly same collected view on what Sakurai meant overall with some of his more clear than vague statements.
What is delusion is making up extra meanings out of thin air.
