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AOB

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MLC was hard =(

I tried to save my answers in the calculator, but it only kept 13 digits and rounded off the rest. Can't save it as one number! But those 13 all match the PAK, so I should be OK unless I totally messed up the second half.

I had to guess on a full 7 problems. That was discouraging.
 

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mmk nublies

meet at toms at 745. if you want I can pick you up brickman.. BUT I DONT WANT TO. MOVE YOUR BOOTY

also tom text me when you wanna play tonight. im thinkin like 9ish i roll over there. should we get pizza???

NEED INFO RAHHH

ps im studying right now.. godddd :(
 

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13/13 on the PAK sounds pretty good to me. I can't imagine the PAK getting too many problems wrong, maybe 1, or 2 if it was insanely hard, so it sounds like you did well enough. What's the pass mark usually, 17, 18? I think you're in the clear. If your 7 guesses were all on the same letter choice, you most likely got at least 1 of those. I like choosing Bs.

We'll be taking exam 4/C together in May, Andy. **** it. I have never passed an exam in the Fall. Nor have I ever passed on any sitting where I took only 1 exam at a time. **** actuarial science. Actually I might skip to 5 and 6 because they apply to actual work related concepts and I might want to get them out of the way before the 2011 exam structure change.

Screw you Matt. You're gonna be ahead of me now.
 

AOB

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At least you have a job!

Actually, I was planning to take MFE, but since I won't have a job or school it might be a good time to take C.

What structure change?
 

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Oh that's right I forgot it's a CAS only change. Half of Exams 5 and 6 are gonna be combined into a Basic Ratemaking & Reserving Exam. The other half of 5 will become an online learning module and the other half of 6 will becoming an Advanced Reserving exam.

Good thing about the new 4/C CBT tests though is it's being offered 3 times next year. April 29-May 5, mid-August, and sometime in November. I might shoot for 4/C on that August sitting and try and get 5 and 6 done in Spring and Fall.
 

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i would wait to get a job to take 4/C so they pay for it

then again youll need all the time in the world to study for it which will be hard if you are occupied
 

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Oh that's right you guys are paying the full price for these exams because you're no longer students, right? Man, that **** is expensive.

then again youll need all the time in the world to study for it which will be hard if you are occupied
So true .
 

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there is a sick N64 player at UIUC, just met him, he is too good timing is sick

also I will check the McKinley Church this upcoming weekend and the Wesley Church to see if they have rooms for use in the spring for SMYM ( I went to check before but the people that work there left early )

if it's a no go for both places, I might want to see if Brooken's Gymnasium is open for rent if you guys know where that is... but I would need a ride in order to find out since it is a little off campus

and I am open to other ideas
also I want to play sometime this weekend if I have time lol
 

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fun times at jab, guys. matt...wtf happened? i predicted a 3-0 against nes noob. i knew he was good, but g-daaaaaaammm. it's all good, you still got darkrain in yo' pocket. i wonder how thomas would have done against nes with falco ahaha
 

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matt how did the exam go for you? i heard it was pretty easy for people who were actually prepared. **** it.
 

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I studied enough to know exactly where everything was in my study manual or remember similar problems. I just couldn't remember how to actually do them. I'm pissed because it seemed like it would've been easy if I had done more but a couple days before the exam I just gave up. Just too much material for my typical study habits to work. I'm gonna start studying for 5 as soon as I can figure out what the best study manual is.

Those cocky *******s on Actuarial Outpost are starting to annoy me.
 

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I chose ASM, and on the boards that or The Infinite Actuary Online Seminar seems to be the 2 most popular routes to take, especially if you can get both. TIA though costs like 800 so it's not worth it unless you have someone else paying for it.

I thought ASM was very comprehensive but I did too much skimming and skipping around to learn it well. If you learn everything in there you should definitely be prepared. It's long though at about 1000 pages not even including practice exams. As with all ASM's manuals, there's always a bunch of errata that always annoys me. I'll read something that makes absolutely no sense to me and drives me crazy only to find out that he messed up and my initial thoughts were right. Definitely have the errata from his website printed out while you go through it, if this is what you go with. I read that ASM's practice exams are normally harder than real exams, and the few I looked over seemed to corroborate that.

Another popular choice I hear is Mahler's manuals, which a coworker of mine used to pass. Those are even longer though and contain several volumes, like 4400 total pages, and are probably more for those who like to be overprepared just to be safe.
 

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i still dont understand these exams
how could you have a 1000 page book on a single topic
the FE exam book was like 800 pages, covering multiple topics, plus the test was 8 hours long and yours are like 3?

i saw Andy the other day!
quit writing in the stalls in Everitt will ya?
 

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The actuarial exams are some of the most if not the most difficult credential exams out there. Maybe other professions' licensing exams out there might be harder than a single actuarial exam, especially one of the preliminaries, but as a series, actuarial exams are pretty much ridiculous. It really is difficult to get a feeling for how hard it is without having to experience it yourself (that's what she said). I'm talking about in terms of who passes and fails, not the scale of individual percentages. Even in my few years as an engineer I took an exam where the highest score was in the 40-50% range, but obviously that class was curved so at least 2/3 or something of the class passed. I forget the exact wording, but here's my paraphrasing of one of the best descriptions I've read of them:

Think of a graduate level math course.
There is no teacher.
There are several books from various authors. But you don't know which one is best.
You never have class.
The classmates you compete with are some of the top analytical minds in the world.
The only grade is the final exam.
At least half the problems on that exam are trying to trick you.
2/3 of the class is guaranteed to fail.
The class is only offered twice a year.
Repeat that same process 10 times.

After the first four passes:
Add high level financial topics, insurance laws and accounting regulations to all that math.
Reduce the frequency of exam offerings to once per year.

Oh, and for each exam, you're competing with the top 33% from the previous exam.
 

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GTFO ACTUARIAL SPEAK.

Andy, I can't wait to see you, it has been too long! Still, we must continue in our separation, I will be unable to play Thursday. *sigh*
 

AOB

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Saturday anytime or Friday/Sunday/Monday evening would work for me also.

I'd rather play when Eric can join so we can do teams and make my lack of skill less apparent.

Henrik, I remember seeing someone post that. And it's interesting how tough the exams are because the classes and (I'm guessing) the work are not as difficult mathematically as a lot of other areas. Like physics! *shudders*
 

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Yeah, I mean it's not like the math is more advanced than what I saw as an engineer, it's just that they really try their best to weed people out or something.

Matt I just watched your vids. You lost to a Falcon??!? I blame actuarial science. At least you got the money for your next test.
 

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yeah i hate those people who post online on AO

the ASM C manual is about the same length as the ASM MLC manual but it has more practice exams i think which made it seem larger

im going to start studying again for the next C next week...i dont know how else to occupy my time ahahah
 

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Yo. So I've been really busy with pledging my frat..so i haven't been able to smash..but I was just initiated so that means I have actual free time to smash.

Looking forward to smashing with y'all.
 

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looks like we playin this weekend. hows bout sat at like 1 or 2 everyone?

i can do literally any time.. i just got done with all my exams so im down tonight. tomorrow. sat. sun. mon lolololol IT GOES ON AND ONNNN
 

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Andy or Matt, have either of you applied for your VEE credits? I'm filling out the SOA applications now, and it asks for course number. Is that the CRN or just like Math 469 and the like?
 

AOB

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Henrik, no and I'm not sure but I'm thinking course number. I would think CRN would have its own field rather than being lumped with course name/description (I'm looking at the form), and CRN wouldn't be very straightforward because often several CRNs will correspond to the same class.

And why does applying for VEE credit cost $100? Those societies are making a killing off us!
 

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Yeah, I guess it'd probably be better for you two to wait til you're working so your companies can pay for it. All the UIUC courses that give VEE credits were renewed through 2011 so I think you're safe from any structure changes or whatever affecting them while you wait. You don't even need them til you're ready to be an associate anyway.
 
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