Tranquility - Game Over

[~ Gheb ~]

I generally liked our QT interactions. We did a lot of planning and talking things and it totally worked in our favor.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Uhhh, no.

Like I am not putting the game solely that you rammed it into the ground, I ****ed up to and your list also holds weight.

But you did sort of play a part in losing this off poor play. I don't know what happened here with you. Luigi's you played a lot better overall but here, I have no clue why you reacted bad to pressure threw out bad ideas like No lynching yesterday and making a terrible jumpy accusations.

I know what I did wrong here and it will be something I'm gonna really work on fixing but here, you need to rethink this game instead of playing the HBC scapegoat.

I'm not having this argument with you, I'm aware the mistakes I made but as far as doing what I needed to do, I felt I did was fine. My problem was my reads were getting ****ed up in the process and I just couldn't get anyone to work with me.

I'm so tired of this poor play bull****. Everyone has some sort of stupid standard of what they expect out of something and if they just so happen to not follow their guidebook of What A Townie Should Do they're instantly scum for it. Don't even get me started.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

should've stuck to my scumreads
ohwell

well done kary

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

New Rule: Unless explained, Bad Play doesn't instantly equal Scum. There's too many ****ing assumptions being made without a concrete argument.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's someone playing scummy or stupid that gets them lynched, not "bad" play.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm not having this argument with you, I'm aware the mistakes I made but as far as doing what I needed to do, I felt I did was fine. My problem was my reads were getting ****ed up in the process and I just couldn't get anyone to work with me.

I'm so tired of this poor play bull****. Everyone has some sort of stupid standard of what they expect out of something and if they just so happen to not follow their guidebook of What A Townie Should Do they're instantly scum for it. Don't even get me started.

That perfectly describes why you scumread me in the first place though. It's a double standard to use this as how you form your reads but ***** about it in post-game when it works against you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That perfectly describes why you scumread me in the first place though. It's a double standard to use this as how you form your reads but ***** about it in post-game when it works against you.

In the first place. I had a substantial argument that delved into more than 'he was playing like ****' and you know I did too. I'm saying justifying a full lynch because of it is wrong. There's a mentality that we should lynch people who are bad or perhaps a determent. I hear it thrown around all the goddamn time.

That isn't to say it's excusable though. There has be somewhat of a serious effort. I'm probably just preaching on my soapbox but god forbid I want to see better and not have games keep ending up like this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

To be honest, I don't know why town keeps losing. I'm trying to figure that out and I can't win games alone, this is supposed to be a team effort. I feel like townies aren't even playing on a team anymore and it's just a bunch of separate people mad at each other if they happen to disagree. That's how I feel mostly.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Bad play isn't scummy. Bad play isn't scummy. SCUMMY play is scummy, but please don't play badly.

Shen, you're lucky.

Gheb, you're good.

Kantrip, you're aight.

YOLO I actually thought you were playing me by the time the JTB lynch went through. Why'd you call him scummy man, you were THE voice behind a player that, although needed to be dealt with, didn't need to be lynched. Shen did, and I'm disappointed nobody here let my legacy live by lynching Shen.

Btw who the **** in their right mind CAN ASK THE MOD FOR CONFIRMATION OF THEIR COP SANITY I don't even man.

Some salt. But mostly ggs. Town played really bad.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's someone playing scummy or stupid that gets them lynched, not "bad" play.

Yeah? Are you certain? In what way does stupidity equate to scumminess? I'm curious why you still believe this is an okay mindset. Rake got no chance in Luigi's because everyone dogpiled on him.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

YOLO played a good game here.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Oh and inactives made this hell. I mean at least care enough to catch up and respond at one point in the day. Like taking a crap! Circus posts maybe at one sitting a day, and his content flow is nowhere near inactive.

Oh an at the same time learn to not hound the thread and ACTING HAIR-ON-YOUR-CHEST CONFIDENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME IS NOT GOOD PLAY LIKE I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE DOES THIS.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gorf you can ask mods if you sanity is confirmed.

Idk why you think that is odd.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

YOLO played a good game here.

His play was solid but it's hard to get **** done when the most cooperative player is a scumbag speaking in poems ;P

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

in all fairness to him i did warn on that

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

me and dietz qt if people care: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/U4qLi7pvLyK

 

[YOLOSWAG]

yeah i couldnt wrangle a townread outta nabe there. i thot ruy/soup were town but kept goin back and forth on who the last townie was

town lost due to ****ty play inactivity and the modkill. the other reasons being stated are wrong

glad this is over. def one of the least enjoyable games ive had to endure

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ryu: Yep im pure evil, understanding works both ways on people.

 

[Kantrip]

Damn our community is negative.

When's the last game where town legitimately agreed they played their best but lost to being outplayed by scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If i wasn't having people **** talk about me all game only for it to blow up in my face I'd be less negative, though I have remained positive overall I'm just not happy about the things that really bogged this game down.

Still It's just a game, I'll say GG in the end.

Reading back, I wonder why I didn't town read Yolo, I keep getting caught up in the anti town aspects but, his intent was clear.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Good mods won't confirm sanity if it's not already stated in their Role PM

 

[Kantrip]

inactive slots are scum: wow they just lurked while town destroyed itself ****ing bad game
inactive slots are town: wow we wasted all our lynches on lurking town ***holes ****ing bad game

 

[YOLOSWAG]

Damn our community is negative.

When's the last game where town legitimately agreed they played their best but lost to being outplayed by scum?

what does it matter? town almost always has stragglers. even in the games they win. mafia is in most cases literally designed to partially accommodate some of the populace playing like dumbasses hence mislynches existing

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Maying that scum outplayed town is weird, don't cha think? I mean, towns job is A LOT harder than scums, I think everyone can attest to that. That's why we have numbers like 10 v 3. But really all scum has to do is hide whichever way they please. Town is the one that does the hard ****. Granted I have more fun playing as scum, but it doesn't mean it's not easier. The point of offing legit stragglers is cuz their play becomes unreadable and you can't have that question mark lingering over your head late game. Mislynches are a gift to town, they give us room to be wrong now and to investigate on that lapse later.

 

[KevinM]

Damn our community is negative.

When's the last game where town legitimately agreed they played their best but lost to being outplayed by scum?

I'm not sure since I haven't played in a while but when you have someone modkill themself on D1 without giving a whole lot of information and then two players dying while one of them literally trolls the game and the other one made <40 posts

No I'm not going to say

TOWN HAD A REALLY GOOD GAME

lol

this game sucked not your fault Kary I'm sorry people ruined the experience I thought me and Marshy could try and bring it back for the boys back home but Apex weekend happened and ehh idk sour taste in my mouth after this game.

Least I learned some stuff

(never join a game with Vinyl or Bsp namely)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I mean, towns job is A LOT harder than scums, I think everyone can attest to that.

Nope.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm not sure since I haven't played in a while but when you have someone modkill themself on D1 without giving a whole lot of information and then two players dying while one of them literally trolls the game and the other one made <40 posts

No I'm not going to say

TOWN HAD A REALLY GOOD GAME

lol

this game sucked not your fault Kary I'm sorry people ruined the experience I thought me and Marshy could try and bring it back for the boys back home but Apex weekend happened and ehh idk sour taste in my mouth after this game.

Least I learned some stuff

(never join a game with Vinyl or Bsp namely)

Oh no yeah this game isn't one of those examples primarily due to a D1 modkill and Vinyl being in the game.

But I mean in general as a more broad question. I can't think of a game where town lost and they actually thought scum played well enough to deserve the win.

 

[Kantrip]

Nope.

I actually agree with Gheb

 

[Jdietz43]

me and dietz thought of it together basically. i was more for claiming the town version of our actual role which i wont reveal because thats kary's right, but he told me we should go balls deep and i agreed in the end

More like Gheb told us not to and I had to agree after he said so lol




GG, I told Rake before we even made the hydra that I'd get him a scum win to his name, and lo and behold it has come true :D


To be fair I honestly don't think town even had a chance this game they played so bad.

 

[Jdietz43]

I generally liked our QT interactions. We did a lot of planning and talking things and it totally worked in our favor.

Yeah, I'd take a scumteam that's willing to talk to each other over a bunch of solid solo players who don't every time.

 

[Jdietz43]

YOLO played a good game here.

Honestly if your name wasn't Circus or WashedLaundry: you don't get to say "good", only "not as bad as a modkilled slot and a slot who actively resisted playing" from my point of view. Yolo gave us more to work with alive then dead, and that's not a good thing. They certainly tried harder than many of the slots present here though and that is commendable, including yours Nabe. I kept expecting you to come in with some reads and turn things around for town but you just let yourself be a null-scum slot instead.

(I don't want to be the kind of person who puts people down, but this showing was not good, arguably even from our side of things, but the amount of lacking in town's ranks this game made it easy to be as anti-town as possible and get away with it.)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ah yes, I will remember this EXACT endgame discussion when town loses yet another game in the same orderly fashion

 

[Dooms]

Oh no yeah this game isn't one of those examples primarily due to a D1 modkill and Vinyl being in the game.

But I mean in general as a more broad question. I can't think of a game where town lost and they actually thought scum played well enough to deserve the win.

Luigi's Mansion comes to my head instantly.

Like, anyone that says that scum didn't play amazingly in that game is a moron. Scum played super well.

Good job, scum! Sorry I had to replace out guys. Glad I did though. My inactivity would have been hellish if I didn't. My plan for the game was to post small things that would keep me engaged in the reading, come back to them and expand when I had time to make a semi-big post, and respond to anything afterwards. However, we know how that worked lol. See you guys in a game in April! Hopefully with less modkills and less people not replacing out when they need to. :|

 

[Dooms]

Scum played well in this game, too, btw. Seriously, good job, guys! Even if town didn't do their best (sorry), you still played well regardless.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh no yeah this game isn't one of those examples primarily due to a D1 modkill and Vinyl being in the game.

But I mean in general as a more broad question. I can't think of a game where town lost and they actually thought scum played well enough to deserve the win.

It's just disappointing. There's more pressure on townies to be right and win for their faction while scum has to muck around and spread misinformation or push mislynches. Everyone expects for their fellow townies to make the right pushes and do the right thing, even if that's holding to a ridiculous standard

Seriously, I think another problem is that everyone is too hard on people when they're wrong, game related or not. Nobody is perfect, and I hate it when the word 'bad play' is thrown around and it makes me sick to my stomach. Can we stop this crap? Please? Why are we treating each other like this? It seriously does not make this game fun. You can't believe how many times I was discouraged to post in this thread knowing I was going to get a bunch of **** or have people getting on my case about my bad play or whatever the ****. It's not fun, it's seriously not.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Peace and love man peace and love put down the pitchfork and pass the blunt man

yeah

 

[Kantrip]

It's just disappointing. There's more pressure on townies to be right and win for their faction while scum has to muck around and spread misinformation or push mislynches. Everyone expects for their fellow townies to make the right pushes and do the right thing, even if that's holding to a ridiculous standard

Seriously, I think another problem is that everyone is too hard on people when they're wrong, game related or not. Nobody is perfect, and I hate it when the word 'bad play' is thrown around and it makes me sick to my stomach. Can we stop this crap? Please? Why are we treating each other like this? It seriously does not make this game fun. You can't believe how many times I was discouraged to post in this thread knowing I was going to get a bunch of **** or have people getting on my case about my bad play or whatever the ****. It's not fun, it's seriously not.

I don't know if you read through the scum QT but I want to transfer an apology I said in there to out here.

I got pretty in your face this game at one point, talking you down, swearing, calling you bad, etc. I just want you to know I had to resort to that because I felt really endangered and I feel bad for playing that way. It was faked, I wasn't mad, and your play wasn't bad. In my opinion you were one of the top 3 townies in this game and I agree with what you said here. I hate the meta we have at smashboards of talking people down so much to prove our point or blow off arguments.

 

[Jdietz43]

Yeah like I don't want to come down on anyone here because that's not what I'm about, I just had to say there were no all-star plays to accolade to be real for a moment.

I'm really glad everyone stuck in there for town and saw the game through even though the situation was pretty dire and put the effort in even if it was frustrating (and it was our job to make it as frustrating as possible). Next time hopefully there will be less dead weight so that the small mistakes stay small mistakes and aren't turned into game crippling ones. There were some good calls in the mix in town, they just got drowned out too easily.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Honestly if your name wasn't Circus or WashedLaundry: you don't get to say "good", only "not as bad as a modkilled slot and a slot who actively resisted playing" from my point of view. Yolo gave us more to work with alive then dead, and that's not a good thing. They certainly tried harder than many of the slots present here though and that is commendable, including yours Nabe. I kept expecting you to come in with some reads and turn things around for town but you just let yourself be a null-scum slot instead.

(I don't want to be the kind of person who puts people down, but this showing was not good, arguably even from our side of things, but the amount of lacking in town's ranks this game made it easy to be as anti-town as possible and get away with it.)

better not mention that I would slot circus / laundry in as not very good this game

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

It's just disappointing. There's more pressure on townies to be right and win for their faction while scum has to muck around and spread misinformation or push mislynches. Everyone expects for their fellow townies to make the right pushes and do the right thing, even if that's holding to a ridiculous standard

Seriously, I think another problem is that everyone is too hard on people when they're wrong, game related or not. Nobody is perfect, and I hate it when the word 'bad play' is thrown around and it makes me sick to my stomach. Can we stop this crap? Please? Why are we treating each other like this? It seriously does not make this game fun. You can't believe how many times I was discouraged to post in this thread knowing I was going to get a bunch of **** or have people getting on my case about my bad play or whatever the ****. It's not fun, it's seriously not.

For the record, your town play is fine, bordering on p. good, but sometimes as both factions you start getting really anxious and antisocial and occasionally angry, and it tears down any positive reads people have on your slot.

You should hydra with Gorf.