Tournament Language

[AvaricePanda]

But those are both different environments. MLG is much more professional, so there's obviously not going to be cursing in the commentary. RoM was an informal, social, yet still very hyped tournament, and 96% of the people there were at least 16, so of course there's going to be cursing in the commentary.

Every Smash tournament is not the same. Some are more professional, some are more loose and social, some are more "HYPE SON MATCHES OF THE CENTURY". The environment in each is going to be different, so expecting the same type of language in each is pretty...yeah. There's going to be more cursing when there's older people and more hype (which do you think would have more OH MY @$@$ GODs, Shiz vs. M2K or Cactuar vs. random unknown?), there's going to be less cursing when there are younger people, less hype, or there's a more professional air like MLG.

I still don't see where the big problem is. I'd be fine with what you're saying if like every single tournament had someone saying the f-bomb every sentence, everyone cursing and shouting, etc., but they don't. Hardly any tournaments are like that. And generally, the people watching the commentary at the more hyped tournaments are older anyway.

 

[.Marik]

You can't stop people from swearing. They are allowed to swear, technically. It's not breaking any constitutional rights. Commentators rarely swear anyways. There's no need to. Unless it's complete hype, or some crazy **** just occured. Remember, they are experiencing hype and getting caught up in all the action too.

Either you just accept it, or get all butthurt over something you can't control, and encourage people to swear even more in order to get a rise out of you.

This is a game. It's competitve. Most Smashers are either older teenagers or young adults. When people are having fun and hanging out with people their own age, they are going to swear. Get caught up in the moment.

Whether you like it or not. I mean, it's a lot better than someone punching you in the face because you taunted with Sonic after a gay KO.

 

[Rain(ame)]

O.o I'm still wondering why people are giving like...seriously unrealistic paraboles. The day I actually see someone hit another person because they coultn't swear...or start using racial slurs because they couldn't swear is beyond me.

I'm not even disagreeing with the fact that yes, you can say what you want in public...at your own risk. Let's be real though...a fight because someone can't use major profanity?

Even when I'm at my most upset I don't curse...nor do I hit people. At the same time, I get my point across, and most people back down. (usually because a rather large black man yelling in your face isn't something you want to continue to anger) The ones that don't...well..the either get saved by someone else, or find out the hard way that I don't have to hit you to beat you. (Sleeper holds, full nelsons...or just being flipped onto a table. I never make the first move...which makes them feel even dumber.) Funny how people are more afraid of the guy who doesn't curse, doesn't start fights, and doesn't hit people; as opposed to the guy that curses, starts fights, uses racial or just insulting slurs, and can't control themselves. Trust me...you can get your point across without it.

At any rate....as far as the atmosphere....players, spectators...agree to disagree for the most part. I think I've given enough real life, happens on regular occasion situations. The commentary, however...it seems like most people seem to agree. I mean, we can still discuss, regardless. It is a situation that seems to be raising a lot of eyebrows.

 

[Skrah]

It was never said that we would MAKE them not say any bad words, but that we should lessen it up in the commentary at least. If a commentator is gonna get hyped and all that, then get another commentator. I mean, whats the point of having a commentary if the commentator won't say anything but bad words. I'd rather turn off the sound than listen to a commentator say **** and other profanities every 2 seconds.

 

[Strong Badam]

LOL "bad words"
cry more. don't whine about English.

also ****.

 

[Skrah]

LOL "bad words"
cry more. don't whine about English.

also ****.

Okay?

That post made no sense at all.

 

[Strong Badam]

this entire topic is whining about words that are a part of the English language, and separating them from others is just ignorant. "****" does no one harm, just like "the" doesn't.

 

[Inui]

Rain(ame), you live in my state and I haven't seen you at a tournament for two years now and you're making big posts about stuff that happens at tournaments.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Rain(ame), you live in my state and I haven't seen you at a tournament for two years now and you're making big posts about stuff that happens at tournaments.

That would probably because you choose to not attend the fun tournaments

 

[Inui]

That would probably because you choose to not attend the fun tournaments

I've seen almost all of the active Melee players within just the last month. >_>;

Well, I'm going to be adding Melee to all of my events now starting with APEX.

 

[Rain(ame)]

Rain(ame), you live in my state and I haven't seen you at a tournament for two years now and you're making big posts about stuff that happens at tournaments.

The last tournament I was at was the last SPOC. Well the last Melee tournament, anyway. I'll be (trying to be) making it out to Apex, and trying to hit up more, in general. My current situation is abysmal at best. (A lot of nonsense going on) Just because I haven't made it to some of the tournaments you've been at, doesn't mean I haven't been to any. Also...I haven't actually been playing for a full 2 years yet. The last time I saw YOU at a Melee tournament was SPOC 4. I know you've been to them since, though, xD. (Btw...SPOC 4 was Feb. '08...we played friendlies...so it hasn't been 2 years.) ^_^

 

[deepseadiva]

Let me present you with two quotes. One by the moderator Frames, and one by Amazing Ampharos.

get raaaaped and stop being gay mutha****a lmao there i addressed all your concerns in one statement

The generic swear words that don't actually mean anything are nowhere near as bad as the rampant homophobia in the community. I don't think I've gone 15 minutes among smashers without hearing the word "gay" used in a negative way; it's pretty extreme, what I'd expect out of a certain n-word I'm sure smashboards censors wouldn't approve of in the South circa 1820. Of course, there's really nothing ethical you can do about free speech, no matter how dumb or needlessly offensive it is...

In general, I always try to refrain from using words that would offend the sweetest, most innocent grandmother out there, but some people can't live without profanity. It's definitely good advice to not use it, but it would be even worse to try to force censorship so if people aren't willing to grow up, there's not much to be done.

SWF is lulzy ain't it?

I agree 100% with the non-community leader/figurehead.

 

[.Marik]

Words.

You're not understanding.

People don't normally swear for the sake of it. Especially commentators. They tend to forget, with all the excitement and hype that usually occurs.

I never said people would hit you because they couldn't swear. That will never happen. People will always curse when they feel like it. Welcome to the 21st century.

No. What I meant was if you can't handle the occassional curse word, then go home or just ignore it.

And if someone is getting frustrated at a Tournament and swears, don't be a pest and get into their faces. That way they won't punch you in the face because you taunted with Sonic after a lame KO.

I don't know about your area, but people hardly swear in the first place. When there is no need, people don't swear. Usually.

Of course, people will sometimes swear. HYPE. EXCITEMENT. FUN. THEY TEND TO FORGET.

There's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Ballistics]

Rainame grow up and stop worrying about youtube commentaries and people offending kids and their old grandmothers. Just worry about your self. You can't change human nature. If you don't like foul language then don't use it. Don't try to tell others what to do.

 

[Inui]

The last tournament I was at was the last SPOC. Well the last Melee tournament, anyway. I'll be (trying to be) making it out to Apex, and trying to hit up more, in general. My current situation is abysmal at best. (A lot of nonsense going on) Just because I haven't made it to some of the tournaments you've been at, doesn't mean I haven't been to any. Also...I haven't actually been playing for a full 2 years yet. The last time I saw YOU at a Melee tournament was SPOC 4. I know you've been to them since, though, xD. (Btw...SPOC 4 was Feb. '08...we played friendlies...so it hasn't been 2 years.) ^_^

Oh for some reason I though it was longer than that. My bad.

 

[Rain(ame)]

Inui- It's cool, xD.

Rainame grow up and stop worrying about youtube commentaries and people offending kids and their old grandmothers. Just worry about your self. You can't change human nature. If you don't like foul language then don't use it. Don't try to tell others what to do.

Okay....this is what I'm talking about...with people trying to make this out of more than what it is. Nobody isa saying "Don't curse". Also...the person that needs to grow up, are the people that don't care about offending other people. That shows a LACK of maturity. Also, profanity isn't a part of Human nature. So again, an ivalid argument.

I'm being really patient at this moment...because there are people who are willing to discuss...whereas there are people looking to just end it with childishness. Let me say something to those people:

The ones that need to grow up is you, because you come in here, and instead of trying to be reasonable, you get offended. Nobody once said, "This is a declaration of war, stop all cursing immediately." I said there's no need for excessive cursing. I said I realize I can't make people stop. Only an idiot and someone who is truly stupid would insist on it when there's no chance to reason with people who get all..in some other people's terms "butt-hurt" if someone asks them to tone language down. It takes maturity to realize that certain things aren't really needed. People who understand the fact that yes, commentary should be cleaner, and you can't change, but only ask...apparently have that maturity. The ones who are just telling me to "grow up" don't. Having a concern for others is the highest sense of maturity there is. The "me first" attitude is a true sense of immaturity.

Marik- It may not be a problem in your area, but it is in a number of other areas. Also...people usually do curse for just the sake of it. Perhaps in the area you're in...no. However, I know of plenty of areas, not even just in NJ/PA/NY, that people truly do curse for no reason. Nobody said I get in a person's face when they swear...I've never once done that to a person. It really isn't nice to assume that. Perhaps a few years back...maybe about 10...people didn't curse unless there was a "reason". Nowadays is totally different. People just curse because they can. It's more seen now than it was before. It's not everywhere, but it sure is spreading for no reason. The area I lived in was pretty tame when it came to that. Then as the years went by, more and more people just started becoming profanity freaks. Suddenly my area starting sounding like Newark, Rahway, and Camden. It's a rising situation, but again...people keep saying I'm trying to shut it down, I'm not.

For the umpteenth time...This is not to tell people to stop cursing. I'm not trying to make anybody do anything. I swear get off my back about that, or at least bring some valid arguments to the table. (As a few have) If not...you'd be further proving my point, in essence. If people didn't get offended so quickly, they'd have read that I'm not condemning someone for getting upset or excited and letting one or two slip. I'm mostly ASKING (key word there, children) if commentary can be clean. I also ASKED (key word again, kids) if people could avoid using the most offensive words to an excessive degree. Asking someone to keep it PG or PG-13(Oh my god...that's REALLY not that hard. keeping it to one F-bomb) is something a lot of people do. The key word again, is ASK. I might even say another key word is SUGGEST. If I knew for an instant I could FORCE someone to do something, I probably still wouldn't. It's not in my nature. I do this little thing called COMPROMISE. It's a wee bit of give and take. Let me tell you something...you won't make it far in life without compromise. You won't make it far in marriage without it either, just throwing that out there.

So...who needs to grow up?

 

[.Marik]

Also, profanity is a part of Human nature. So again, an ivalid argument.

I guess I could say the exact same thing to you.

Marik- It may not be a problem in your area, but it is in a number of other areas. Also...people usually do curse for just the sake of it. Perhaps in the area you're in...no. However, I know of plenty of areas, not even just in NJ/PA/NY, that people truly do curse for no reason. Nobody said I get in a person's face when they swear...I've never once done that to a person. It really isn't nice to assume that. Perhaps a few years back...maybe about 10...people didn't curse unless there was a "reason". Nowadays is totally different. People just curse because they can.

I'm not saying people don't swear. I'm from the worst part of my city. (Or was) People won't stop swearing, making your thread invalid. I mean, you even said it yourself. Also, way to stereotype entire communities.

For the umpteenth time...This is not to tell people to stop cursing. I'm not trying to make anybody do anything.

Then explain what the point of this thread was. I mean, you're acknowledging that you can't change anything, yet you seem to persist in the matter.

I'm mostly ASKING (key word there, children) if commentary can be clean. I also ASKED (key word again, kids)

But you can only ask. Doesn't mean you'll change anything. Doesn't mean people have to consider your option or if it's even correct. Commentary is clean, aside from a few curse words you shouldn't even pay attention to.

I'm not going to repeat myself, but this thread is going nowhere.

So...who needs to grow up?

From the looks of it, you don't have a firm grasp of urban reality.

 

[AvaricePanda]

Seriously.

Commentary usually doesn't curse until something insane just happened. You don't hear commentators dropping curses every 3 seconds unless there is a ton of hype.

IN GENERAL, commentary is clean. But like Marik said, people tend to forget about what they say because they're in the hype and fun.

But besides that, cursing is a part of language. I personally don't understand why there's so much "GASP!!!" when someone says a curse word compared to when someone offends people...it should be the other way around, really. But who cares if someone says a curse for no reason. Other people say, "Dang," and "Man..." for no reason (you could omit them from your speech and still convey a message), and it's the same thing with cursing.

I realize you're trying to ask for the commentary to be clean, but really, it mostly is. There isn't a problem. And the cursing on the commentary, or any cursing in general, doesn't steer kids away from going to a tournament. Transportation johns, along with the fact that parents are worried about their kids being far away with older people they don't know, along with other related reasons, are why kids usually can't go to tournaments. And I would know; I'm 13 and have the exact same problem.

My parents could care less about cursing, as long as no one's dropping the f-bomb every 5 seconds (which they don't). My older brother, the one most linient on giving me a ride anywhere, curses himself, and my sister has the same mentality as my parents; my sister and parents only say no because they don't feel like driving 2 hours and they don't feel like letting me hang out with older teenagers/adults/people I don't know.

But even if someone's parents were uptight about cursing, what's the commentary going to do? Any kid wanting to go to a tournament isn't going to pull up the Shiz vs. M2K match to their parents and say, "Look, I want to go to a place like this!" If they do, it's their own fault for not being allowed.

 

[Rain(ame)]

First off...my keyboard sucks. That should have read "Profanity ISN'T a part of human nature" I know that for a fact.

Secondly- how in the world is it the fault of a person they can't go because their parents don't like profanity? If it's out of their own control it's not their fault. Wow...that was just outrageous.

Thirdly- Asking and brining points to the table is what I'm doing. Denying and bringing mostly invalid points to the table is what a lot of people are doing. If a person can't come up with a reason to argue what I'm saying it's one thing. However, to just call me or my idea stupid and say no...well that in itself is childish

Fourthly- If the majority of the community is like that...it's not stereotyping. I don't just run off at the mouth for no reason. I know not EVERYONE is like that. If an area has a Majority of black people that act stupid and they have a bad impression of the people in THAT area...it's true. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but the Majority DO act stupid. (In my area that's REALLY prevalent, and I don't take offense because I see it.)

Finally- I DO grasp Urban reality, because that's where I was BORN. It's what my brothers are used to, and what my family in general is used to. So for you to ASSUME that I don't know Urban reality is very wrong. My older brother is the only one that fell into that trap. And guess what? He paid for it and realized that there was NO NEED to act stupid or use profanity. Heck...even when he was acting stupid, he hardly ever used it. He also tells people to watch their mouths when they start flying off the handle with language. Unlike me...I'm just silent for the most part. Now...tell me why someone who fell into the trap is more prone to shut people up than me? I'm best friends with a guy that's done more than most people have EVER seen and will probably see in their life time. HE doesn't use profanity because he realized how pointless it is. At the same time...he doesn't FORCE people, either. He asks...if they don't, it's cool. (And trust me...he knows very well how to MAKE people.) I'm asking, and expecting...well MATURE answers. I, in essence tried to avoid using myself as an example, but since people want to use isolated events, I just wanted to show them a series of isolated events that far outweigh their single ones. I can go on with a list of it, too.

Don't think I'm sheltered because I'm far from it. I've seen both sides of the field. I COULD curse a person out along with a viable verbal beat down that'd make grown men cry. So let me tell you, the "cop out" responses don't do much for me. I don't think in a one dimensional situation, so that's what aggrivates me when people don't. Things aren't black and white, there are gray areas. Asking someone to ease up on TWO out of the many other profane words out there is being unreasonable, how?

 

[.Marik]

Never mind post.

 

[Rain(ame)]

I do understand...what frustrates me is how people are so unwilling to see things from the OTHER side.

It's a freedom of speech. People can curse if they want to. Grow up, people are going to curse. It's not in my community. You can't make people stop. Why are you trying to make people stop? God, grow up. People don't curse for no reason. It's not really an issue. Parents don't give a crap about what their kids do. It's worse on XBox Live. Kids are going to do it anyway. Of course people are going to let up if they see a kid around. Oh it's not that bad. Learn to take accept a curse word or get out. Grow up, people curse, it's human nature. Why are you trying to censor people? Asking people to lighten up is the same as asking them to stop all together. Would you rather hear (insert curse word here) or some racial comment. Woudl you rather hear (insert curse word here) or someone punching someone? People curse when they get hyped or upset. Why fight human nature? Someone needs to grow up. I think people are smart enough to not curse when certain people are around. Not everyone curses. Tournaments are usually tame. I don't hear much profanity at a tournament. The commentary only has a few curse words in it.

The valid points in that pile of responses are mostly one sided. I have heard ALL of them before. I've even used a few of them to defend something I like. "This song only has a few curse words in it..." I get it...but the point people don't get is that I've also been on the other side of the fence defending something I enjoy when people were telling me it was "Too...vulgar...too much language I don't approve of, etc." I was once told I comic I did had too much unapproved language when the comic was clean as a whistle, there were NO profanities, and because she didn't understand something, it wasn't good. All in all, I had to change my comic. Those that saw it before hand were a bit upset at the changes made, but still enjoyed it. The ones that didn't see it still enjoyed it thoroughly. I had to...say it with me...COMPROMISE. Do not assume I don't get it, I do. I've been down the road. I also have seen the responses given a million times over, and have used some of them in the past.

 

[.Marik]

Ah. I saw your PM. Very well.

You understand that you can't stop people from swearing.

But you exactly ranting/ debating about people cursing isn't helping, either.

This thread is going nowhere. Nothing is getting accomplished, except for the increase in our post count.

 

[Rain(ame)]

Well, I was honestly thinking the same thing a few pages back. I guess I was kind of hoping that someone that someone would have brought something interesting and new to the table. *shrugs* I, in general am done. I think I've exhausted repeating myself. I'll leave to the hounds, I guess, xD. Nice sig, btw, Marik.

 

[.Marik]

Thanks. I said the same thing about yours not too long ago, remember? ;]

V is simply amazing.

 

[Strong Badam]

Thirdly- Asking and brining points to the table is what I'm doing. Denying and bringing mostly invalid points to the table is what a lot of people are doing. If a person can't come up with a reason to argue what I'm saying it's one thing. However, to just call me or my idea stupid and say no...well that in itself is childish

You are just constantly deeming everyone's points invalid, instead of actually addressing them.

 

[Rain(ame)]

You are just constantly deeming everyone's points invalid, instead of actually addressing them.

Mainnly because it hasn't been any different from when I ORIGINALLY addressed. A few points, but in essence nothing had really changed. If you read my last post you'd see what the conclusion was. I was repeating myself for many pages. *shrugs* Say what you want, but when I hear something new I'll address it. As of now, the discussion is going nowhere. I think it's pretty much agreed.

Edit: Marik, I remember, ^^.