Since he proceeds to explain every facette of how or why I am wrong or how he considers it important/justified to comment on pre-game banter then he only confirms my point – he explains everything but himself .
I still don't know why he commented on post X and what he hoped to gain from it other than to look pro-town without doing anything pro-town. So after all his explanations his motives and the purpose of his posts are still completely unclear, meaning he *does* have some explaining to do.
So you did see that I explained myself, but I didn’t explain myself? I’m scum whether I explain or not?
I told you exactly why I commented on each of the things I did; if you find it insufficient, bring up which ones and I will respond. I doubt you’re going to believe me though.
I want to know why you not understanding what I’m doing = scum.
My issue with BSP remains the same - and him saying "who are you to say what's useful and what not" doesn't change this fact at all. Unless you wanna tell me that you think stuff like commenting on pre-game banter would have become useful you'd have no reason to disagree with me here.
As I said to Politoed, Role PMs were out. I wanted to know exactly why RF changed his mind on Killstic to see if it was different from why he gave WATT a dumb town read read over anything else. It sounds far-fetched, I know, but I stand by the fact that role PMs were out and I can take said action as legitimate.
And even if you don't agree with me you should at least see where I'm coming from and realize my vote on BSP is 100% serious, that I'm not BSing around and that right now, I think he should be toDay's play.
Later, you’re going to ignore my questions on other suspicious players. Are you sure you’re not just tunneling on me for some reason?
BSP, why did you ignore me when I called you out in #176? I would still like an answer about this.
I did answer. If you don’t like my explanations, pull up and what you don’t like, and I will clarify. It was my #179.
I agree with this however, I don't get why you were certain on it and why you called me town if you felt RF was confident. Was the basis behind that read? I've skimmed some of your walls so spare the details and get to the point.
I’d appreciate it if you all would stop putting words in my mouth. As I’ve already asked: quote for me where I called you town. Where is it?
There’s no basis for a read that was never made.
Wow wtf @"high and mighty"-callout. Are you earnestly telling me you had expected to gain useful results out of commenting stuff like pro-town banter? Like, do you actually want me to dig your post out and break it apart one by one to show you how it's entirely worthless? Saying "I do my stuff and you're arrogant if you think it's scummy" is not an adequate justification.
Yes, because RF’s slot is still RF’s slot, pre-game or not. If he would’ve given me odd reasoning as to why he didn’t like Killstic, I would’ve kept pursuing it. Actually, I wanted to and did. He just stopped answering.
Let me reiterate the fact that you not agreeing with my methods =/= scum
Which is why you commented on everything except said push?
What?
BSP #144 said:
RadFic, I understand your confidence in this Soup read. Would you be willing to lynch him right now?
Why do you think I asked him if he was ready to go with a Soup lynch right then? I was trying to look into the push and figure out his intentions.
You only said you like RadFic more than soup without any explanation , without offering any ways to make that comment part of a discussion. Instead you thought it'd be more useful to comment on pre-game banter and advising soup how to treat inactives.
There are 2 things wrong with this.
Quote for me where I state “I like RadFic more than Soup”. The exact words.
Stop attacking me with false information.
There’s only one thing you can possibly stretch to this, my #174, and even then , I give you reasoning.
Clearly, you don’t understand that I was looking into RadFic’s Soup push when I asked him about whether he was ready for the lynch or not; equating what you don’t understand to scum.
You’re calling my post useless because you don’t understand what I was doing. You’re selectively looking at the things you can call scummy while ignoring the part of my post that could be interpreted as doing something more productive.
As far as I know, your basis on me being scum is that the whole post was useless. Why don’t you stop ignoring the part that can’t be interpreted in that way?
..But what about my arguments? You make me doubt myself with posts like these, as they come off as either extremely lazy or forced. It's kind of the same issue I have with Badwolf, only that I expect more. I'm giving you benefit of the doubt here, but you need to explain why you thought I was town then and why you felt RF is confident. It doesn't make sense because either you didn't agree with my logic (but you think I'm town because of it?) or you simply didn't take the time to think this through.
And once again, this town read coming out of thin air.
Stop attacking me with false information.
I already explained why I thought RF was confident. I believe it was RF’s #128. You don’t say something like that if you aren’t confident in your read.
OK, here's the post that started it all [#144]
What was the point of this?
I told to not come to the conclusion that inactivity = scum. The point? It’s a bad assumption and mindset to have.
Did you actually try to tell soup to not lynch off Jeoy because of inactivity before looking at everybody?
I didn’t try, I did.
Don't tell me you actually thought he wanted him lynched at that point already?
I did not. The point I was trying to get across is mentioned above. Soup said that he would assume Joey would be scum if he was inactive. What’s supposed to happen to scum? They get lynched.
Not only was this a dumb assumption to make [because even if he was serious, did you earnestly think the push would actually get enough support for a quicklynch?
This is irrelevant to me. I explained my purpose above. I was aimed at the mindset.
but you also call him out for "jumping conclusions". What conclusions did soup draw and based on what?
He just said that he was going to assume inactivity = scum. Based on what? What he said: inactivity.
The fact that you actually felt the need to spell this all out just screams "scumbag fishing for cheap pro-town credit".
That’s how you’re reading it, ok. You’re also ignoring the part where I actually question RF though.
This is bad. Vinyl did not state that he would sheep Ryker.
The question was, “Will you be sheeping me or Ryker?” If Vinyl was not going to sheep either, he should have said so. Since Vinyl did not say this, he’s saying he’s going to sheep.
Do you understand that this is absolutely *not* worth commenting on, since Ryker and Swiss are one and the same playerslot in this game?
It doesn't matter if Ryker and Swiss are in the same slot. Sheeping is still bad. I took Vinyl’s response as claiming he was going to sheep Ryker. I’m not just going to sit here and let him think this is alright.
Not only were they clearly talking about a hypothetical scenario in which Vinyl *would* have to sheep either one or the other but you also misconstrue the point in a manner that allows you to make a common-sense point about not sheeping. And guess what:
I’m not misconstruing anything. Read the question again.
So you said you understand the confidence in his soup read? Please remind me what happened of this stance? Right now, I'm feeling it has mainly something to do with you having tried to fish for pro-town credit without actually doing anything. Just a hunch though.
Maybe you guys should stop asking me questions I’ve already answered. Read my discussion with Politoed over this.
Did I ever say RF wasn’t confident on Soup? I don’t know why you’re asking me what happened to the stance. As of now, they’re settling on me, but I never took back my statement about their confidence of the read.
I’m the one misconstruing? Sheesh.
I don't have to tell you the pro-town intentions behind BW's posts. You only have pointed out how his posts *could* be interpreted as anti-town. I, however, have pointed out that BSP's posts can *not* be interpreted in any way *except* pro-scum.
Incorrect. Again, why do you think I asked RF about his push on Soup? You seem to like ignoring that part.
I told Vinyl don’t sheep; told Soup not to jump to conclusions; answered RF’s question; and I began questioning RF on his Soup push. You don’t seem to understand that last part, so you’re calling my entire post useless.
Do you understand the fundamental difference here? Even if you were completely on point with all your interpretations of BW's behavior you'd still haven't completely pointed out why his anti-town play is the anti-town play of a scumbag. There is no way I could allow this to happen over a lynch as well explained as that of BSP.
BSP, I'll concern myself with these questions when they actually matter.
Remember that high and mighty tidbit?
So Badwolf having a
strong town read on a slot that is null (that you have null yourself) at best is irrelevant? Are you just trying to get my lynch done as fast as possible? Why are refusing to answer these questions?
Never did I claim BW to play pro-town. I don't even why I should respond to you because it's clear you're getting half the things I tell you wrong. Somebody - especially incosistent, learning players - can be anti-town without knowing or wanting it though and even if you were right about BW this could easily be the case.
Why are you giving Badwolf the benefit of the doubt?
IR, I feel that you’re trying to make my first post look as scummy as possible by all means necessary. You claim it was useless, but this is not the case. I told you why I did everything I did, and I even starting questioning RF in that same post.
You’re even going to the lengths of making false accusations against me.
You’re tunnel visioning on what you deem useless and trying to make that into me = scum, and ignoring the last part of my first post. And for some reason, even though Badwolf is giving strong town reads this early, on RF of all people (whom you have a null on yourself), you deemed my questioning about him irrelevant and refused to answer, in addition to giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I want you to explain this.
Vote : Inglorious *******
BSP: How do you feel about Soup's 112 and why?
I felt it was early, but I didn’t ask him anything because I didn’t think questioning him on it would go anywhere. I didn’t see it amounting to anything aside from “This read was too fast” with nothing to back it up, leading to my word v his.
In the meantime, BSP I see you viewing, where do you think we should be looking toDay based on what's happened so far?
IR until they answer my concerns.
Okay. My side had currently read up to #255 and I want to make some comments before reading further
Let's take this situation. We end up lynching Soup and he flips town. Do you push for an RF lynch or not? Explain why, preferably without saying that RF said he will voluntarily be lynched.
Based solely off the Soup push? No. As I said, it could possible be a town v town situation. That alone is inconclusive for pushing RF the next day.
However, after all of that being said, he’s fine with suddenly settling on me, so I do need to take that into account. Why they stopped pursuing the scum read they were so adamant about to settle on me makes me curious. I would be fine with pushing at RF now.
Definitely down to lynch BSP as his posts have been really bad and relly scummy from what I've seen. I'm still a bit behind so unless something revealing about BSP happens, I'm gonna vote him.
Good stuff with voting before you’re even caught up.
I want you to pull up specifics on why you think I’m scummy. Even if you quote someone else’s post, that’s fine. I want to know exactly why.
I can’t find it, but someone said something about my response to IR and said they couldn’t see where I was going with it aside from “you can’t prove anything”. That’s where I’m going with it. IR’s doing its best to make my first post seem scummy as **** while ignoring parts of it. They’re also ignoring questions relevant questions w.r.t Badwolf for some odd reason while still pushing forward for my lynch. Not liking it.
