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[Make it Rain!]

Why didn't you like Killstic's posts right here?

You're trying to draw something from pregame? Really?

 

[Make it Rain!]

I'm not going to just join some wagon until I find or see some reasonable reasoning for why the slot could be scum.

Your plan is lynching Soup, correct? In that case, at the moment, I think you're jumping the gun. I'm going to take good at the interaction, but as of right now, I wouldn't support action.

Hold the phone.

How are you understanding of his soup read if you don't understand his own motives or his own reasons?

 

[Make it Rain!]

If he flips town RF would go down next because I'm holding him to his sureness of a read.

Ew.

Why are you okay with people setting up lynches after a Soup lynch, RadFic? I know you're confident but c'mon that ****'s not okay.

 

[BSP]

Also his whole string of posts from 174 to 185 only serves to justify the fact that he hasn't done anything but randomly comment on useless posts. He goes into details where nobody cares and only elaborates when questioned on things that matter. Extremely fake imo

Who made you all high and mighty to judge whether or not something is useless? You are not in my head, and you don't know what I'm thinking. If I think it's important, I'm going to ask about it.

I don't like the fact that KevinM called Soup out and has done nothing to pursue it. That's something I want addressed. How is this useless? You're fine with slots calling others out, but not pursuing?

Questioning someone on why they have a scum read on me after 1 real post is useless? Excuse me for trying to get information.

I wanted RadFic to explain their intentions. Thus, I ask if they're sure about seeing Soup's lynch through.

You are not the one to judge on what's useless and what isn't. I don't really care if you don't think what I'm looking at is important. If it feels important to me, I'm going to question it.

However, we are both confident in the BSP wagon. His first post is pretty bad. A lot was happening in the thread, yet he focused on random posts that don't really show scum hunting.

You’re jumping to conclusions. Can you verify how far I had read up? How do you know RF’s #101 was not how far I had read at the time? Nothing else in that span interested me aside from RF’s pushes on Soup.

You claim I was focused on random posts that don’t matter. You could say that for part of the post, yes, but I’ve already explained why I did that. You just have to take it or leave it. You also can’t say that questioning RF’s intentions was useless. Last I checked, you have him as a null as yourself, so clearly, his intentions aren’t that obvious.

The worst part of that post has to be the bit wrt Ryker. Telling other players to not trust another slot without actually looking at their content in the game is no bueno.

@Bolded - First, you can't verify this. How do you know I didn't look at RF's provided content up to the point of that post?

Second, let’s actually look at RF’s content up to when Vinyl made that post:

1. BSP - Have we played before?
2. Soup - Follow your master, follow your soul. Hold my hand. Not Ryker's.
3. Vinyl. - Will you be sheeping me or Ryker? Crucially, why?
4. Krystedez - Run me through your thoughts. Viny's vote on you. Why would he choose you over the more applicable RVS votes?
5. BadWolf - When did you last play with me? When did you last play with Swiss?
6. KevinM - I want to hold your hand. My other half will also. That's a lot of hands.
7. (Orboknown/JDietz hydra) - I'll defer to Swiss' read on you.
8. (Acrostic/Ganymede hydra) - Skip
9. Rajam - Skip
10. Inglorious ******* (JTB) - Hi JTB.
11. Radical Fiction (Ryker/Seiss hydra) - Seiss.
12. Make it Rain! (Xonar/WashedLaundry) - No content why? Rushed or...?
13. Inferno3044 - Useless as either alignment.
14. Jeoy - Eh.

~Ryker

Soup we offered our hand, extended it.

If you are not with us. You are against us.

He made two posts up to this, and I warned Vinyl about sheeping to it. I don’t see what the problem is.

You already say you don't agree with RF's scum read on Soup, so what is your read on RF then? What about KevinM, why did you flip out over him calling you scum and start to explain everything you have done?

RF is adamant about this Soup lynch for reasons that I don’t see right now. I’ve looked at what’s happened between them, and I’m not seeing what makes Soupscum. However, this alone does not label RF as scum. He’s a null at best for me.

W.R.T KevinM, I “flipped out” and started answering questions because the last time I didn’t explain my methods quickly when they were questioned, I ended up being a scumspect and got Daykilled on the second Day (Hunter X Hunter). I trying to ensure that doesn’t happen again, but, apparently, explaining always looks bad too.

IR, I noticed you haven’t actually called me scum yet. I’d like you to do that please if you’re going to keep pursuing this wagon around me. I'd like you to bring up a reason as to why I’m scum that doesn’t involve something that you think is useless?

You're trying to draw something from pregame? Really?

Holy ****, please tell me that's an off-topic question.

please.

Why shouldn’t I? Role PMs were out. MIR, you can shut up with your italicized really. Tell me how looking at information when all roles were out is a bad thing.

Well this is sudden.

That's where you're wrong. Look at RF's #128. That's where the first mention of Soup's lynch is. I didn't bring it up out of nowhere.

 

[Make it Rain!]

Extracted from my notes.
#52 - RF I like this post.
#85 - RF Another good post. Towny. Like this.
#101 -RF Holy crap I love this man.
#103 - RF Impressed by this, again love this guy.
#122 - RF. Harsher reads. Still like him still town.
#132 - RF. Does this man ever have bad thoughts? He’s taking the words straight out of my mouth.
#140 - RF. Slightly more confusing however no less true. Town all the way.
#177 - RF I like this post. Little bit aggro but it is Swiss.

^Those are all the posts that I really do like from him.

Oh yeah I looked at your comment I just don't know why you dismissed it.

His first post in the game is a bunch of questions to different players in the game. The actual game, post #52 is in ****ing pregame. He does this every game, regardless of alignment.

 

[Make it Rain!]

That's where you're wrong. Look at RF's #128. That's where the first mention of Soup's lynch is. I didn't bring it up out of nowhere.

Except I was talking about the first part of that quote, not the second.

 

[Make it Rain!]

Yes! Its gonna be great, we're gonna be great!

 

[BSP]

Hold the phone.

How are you understanding of his soup read if you don't understand his own motives or his own reasons?

Now you're putting words in my mouth.

When did I say I was understanding of his Soup read?

 

[Make it Rain!]

radfic, i understand your confidence in this soup read.

:186 :

 

[BSP]

I understood that he was confident in the read, not why or how he got to it.

 

[Make it Rain!]

When you say "I understand your confidence", there's a generally a reason as to why you believe he is confident.

 

[Make it Rain!]

EBWOP: Came off as you understanding the reason for his read, due to understanding where his confidence came from.

 

[BSP]

To your EBWOP, I did not.

And how could I? Look at RF's posts before #128 and tell me you see a perfectly clear reason for him wanting Soup dead.

The reason referenced in your #251 is RF's #128

 

[Make it Rain!]

At any rate, I gotta make things short.

RadFic vs. Soup was, for lack of better term, interesting. RadFic came in and posted his usual ****, Soup said no, RadFic immediately went the extreme route and voted him for it, though I think he mentioned something about Soup's inactive policy later. Soup immediately got defensive about it(!) and snapped back. RadFic bullied him as long as he thought he could get away with it, left it alone on page 6 (40ppp) after a BSP wagon popped up that.

If that is TvS, it's in RadFic's favor at the moment. Not necessarily because of what RadFic's said, I simply think that everything he did was drawing out trying to get under Soup's skin to get a read on him.

What I don't get is Soup doubling back on the whole "working with me" thing. RadFic asked Soup to hold his hand in his first post of the game, Soup denied it, and then Soup immediately tried to double back and get something out of RadFic...why? Sketchy. RadFic won't give away jack**** to a scumread and he should know that. Hard to say though, I've been gone awhile. Null at best right now, gonna see what he does.

BadWolf's immediate townread from both of RadFic's first post in the game is weird. Null actions/questions at the start of the game should not immediately be read as town.

BSP's lack of commitment to important issues and sudden assurance in RadFic's Soup read is unsettling to me. He denies it, but I don't think he has a real reason for understanding the confidence in it. RadFic himself had no reason to be that confident in a scumSoup read at the time and it shows by how he later backed off. I like the pressure there at the moment.

vote: BSP

I like this KevMo and want to play more games with him.

Vinyl is an ***.

 

[Make it Rain!]

And how could I? Look at RF's posts before #128 and tell me you see a perfectly clear reason for him wanting Soup dead.

I don't; hence why your assurance bothers me.

 

[BSP]

@Make It Rain

I maintain my read is legitimate.

In order to verify I will allow us to wagon & lynch you. If I flake out or magically 'change my read' before you are lynched we can lynch me instead. I stake my life on the validity of my read.

Why would they say this if they weren't confident?

This shows me they are confident, but, as I said, I couldn't discern reasoning for it.

BSP's lack of commitment to important issues and sudden assurance in RadFic's Soup read is unsettling to me. He denies it, but I don't think he has a real reason for understanding the confidence in it.

I just told you the reason. This is not "sudden" in the slightest.

 

[KevinM]

My read on Soup? He could be scum but I also don't see him as confidently as I see BSP.

It could also just be a weak attempt at a townie trying to build town credit so he can swing influence on a thread.

 

[KevinM]

Rajam make sure you answer my question btw! Still waiting... waiting

waiting on this thread to change

 

[Dooms]

So yeah falling asleep as soon as you get home is a thing lol.

Uhhh... Still think Soup lost that argument against Radical Fiction. I'll have to re-read tomorrow when I'm not in super-sleepy mode in order to connect the argument to actual reads. I may actually think Soup is town and Rad Fic is null, but that will be redefined tomorrow after a re-read.

I can't see why people have BSP as scum already o_o. For his first post, it just seemed like he was commenting on stuff that really concerned him that may have gone unnoticed or wasn't being questioned on at the moment. He also went into almost everything he questioned at some point. Take 202 for example. 202 is probably why I can't put him as anything under null at this point. It shows that he had reasoning for asking what he asked in his introductory post. The other points were weaker and were just warnings to Soup and Vinyl to not **** themselves over with poor judgement, something that shouldn't be worse than null o-o.

Not liking Make it Rain at the moment. The Soup read seems kinda odd.

After the summary (why did you post this exactly? o-o), these two lines were... very odd to me.

If that is TvS, it's in RadFic's favor at the moment. Not necessarily because of what RadFic's said, I simply think that everything he did was drawing out trying to get under Soup's skin to get a read on him.

What I don't get is Soup doubling back on the whole "working with me" thing. RadFic asked Soup to hold his hand in his first post of the game, Soup denied it, and then Soup immediately tried to double back and get something out of RadFic...why? Sketchy. RadFic won't give away jack**** to a scumread and he should know that. Hard to say though, I've been gone awhile. Null at best right now, gonna see what he does.

Lets start with the very first part of the first line. "If that is TvS". I feel like this is an attempt to stand in the middle of the argument at hand, not trying to go either way, but still attempting to contribute. This makes it obvious that he doesn't have Soup as a scum read yet because of how there is doubt in the statement in quotation above. Please tell me if I'm misunderstanding.

Afterwards, he shows a town lean on Radical Fiction (I think. The "If it's TvS" really throws me off with this...), but not because of what he's said. Because... he's trying to get a read on a player by getting under their skin?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that this is something both sides of the hydra would do regardless of alignment. The only way I can see any townie vibe from that statement would be "to get a read on him", but even then he could be reading for power role v non power role, indy v town, etc.

The next paragraph is the most odd though :s. Trying to get information from a power player is scummy? I don't get this line of logic at all. I honestly don't know what you mean by "double-back", but... :/. Can you point me to where he "double-backed" if you don't mind? I don't see anything scummy from your reasoning... Especially when Soup really felt that Rad Fic couldn't possibly have them as a scum read (which was obvious by his posts during the time, one of which stated this bluntly), making the whole not following the hydra's meta thing void. :/.

Maybe the thing I like the least about this is that you just leave it at that. You incriminate Soup to hell with poor reasoning... just to call him a null and move on. You're leaving a huge opening for you to slide out of, giving you room to say that you were part of the Soup pressure if a lynch were to go through. Another reason why I probably feel so bad about this is because of the reasoning you have for leaving this as is... "I've been gone for a while, so null for now" just seems like a really crummy way to have a null read. Is this just because you have bigger priorities or do you really feel that you don't know which side to put him on?

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Not liking Inglorious ******* either due to their BSP reasoning being very weak and the vote looking a bit BS'd. I actually find it kind of silly that you told him that he has explaining to do, and then you get on him for "suddenly explaining everything he has done"... :|. I may have actually mis-read that, but even if I didn't, Soup asked him for the same thing right after his first response lol. BSP seems like a very weak push from you and it looks like you're just jumping on a pointless RVS vote. I'm actually gonna put my vote here over Make it Rain because I feel that I could have misunderstood MiR, and I'm not willing to put a vote there until I'm certain that I understand the slot's reasoning.

Vote: Inglorious *******

Null on Kevin. Seems like he's still playing RVS honestly.

After thinking it over, I have a town lean on Soup. He's trying to get information in order to gather up reads, but he's being denied of that because he didn't take someone's hand, and now he's pretty much on more than half of the active player's scum list.

Vinyl, do you have a scum read yet? If not, who do you think is the closest? I'm mostly concerned that it takes you forever to get a scum read and if this game keeps on going down the road it's on currently, you may be jumping on a last minute wagon due to a quick lynch :/.

Soup, do you see the reasoning for voting BSP? Do you agree with it?

BSP, what is your read on Soup? Radical Fiction? You say that Radical Fiction is jumping the gun, but this doesn't indicate alignment. Your 202 defends Soup, but once again, that doesn't indicate alignment xD.

Radical Fiction, was the Soup thing just trying to get a read on him, or do you actually feel that he's scum and that BSP is a higher priority?

WATT, where are you at at the moment? I've forgotten that you exist with everything going on xD. Wanna tell me some thoughts of yours? Reads on Soup, Rad Fic, IR, and BSP if you don't mind? :3.

Read list in case I lost people:

Town lean:

Soup
BSP
Rad Fic

Null:
WATT
KevinM
Vinyl

Scum-lean:

Make it Rain
Inglorious *******

Like I said, will be redefined tomorrow. Hopefully with some new content from you guys c:.

 

[Make it Rain!]

Sorry, I was halfway out the door while typing that.

After analyzing the exchange between RadFic and Soup, I came away with two things:

1) RadFic's actions were genuine, but most likely masked. He's come away from it now so I see no issue in revealing it but it seemed like he offered a hand to Soup and Soup denied it, so he went after it, probably for that "you know what happens when you go against me" line he posted in #183. He thought he found a thread, so he grilled Soup trying to get under his skin. However, his stated reasons seem weak (the inactive thing) and it seemed like that was forced, given that he initially would not explain it to Gheb right away. This may just be RadFic being a Rad****, though.

In short, while it seems like he just did a whole lot of something with a whole lot of nothing (really, he claimed no reason and at least two people asked him for it during that time period), I understand why. His intention was good.

2) My issue with Soup is that he got a little defensive after RadFic immediately jumped him for denying his hand. It seemed like exactly the type of reaction RadFic wanted, which is why he pressed so hard. You're right, there's nothing wrong with trying to get something out of players, but the manner in which he went about it seemed contradictory and it was a bit unsettling. It is, however, weak, so I'm not really pushing Soup on it. I was just noting it.

 

[Make it Rain!]

EBWOP: the entire point of the first point is to say that I think RadFic was basically fishing with bull****. He had little reason to particularly push Soup initially outside of Soup's immediate defensiveness and, as you said, Soup had good reason to expect something out of RadFic.

 

[KevinM]

Joey I'd like you way more if you didn't post!

 

[KevinM]

Like how do you have Soup Radfic and BSP all as town?

I mean..

what..?

 

[Radical Fiction]

No, it's because it's such a rare occurance that the reasoning behind it might be more legitimate than we think it is right now and it could become relevant later in case soup turns out to be scummy.

I'm never assuming the lynch of my own playerslot.

I find this odd.

 

[Radical Fiction]

I like Joey's analysis. Town.

The town reads are perhaps optimistic.

 

[KevinM]

The town reads are a giant cop-out. Taking the three most controversial player spots in this game (assuming we agree that the you vs soup and the BSP wagon garner your three slots as the ones with most attention) and just labeling them town then throwing other players that have posted in null seems like a safe and dumb reads list.

Idk maybe its just me

It's not though cuz I'm like **** balls to the walls awesome.

 

[Radical Fiction]

But is it a scummy cop-out?

You see someone as pathetic as Joey gunning for MiR and IR while defending BSP?

 

[Radical Fiction]

Cmon, Kev, you're my invisible totem pole buddy.

Looking for more from you to help me carry town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hi. Reading.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Extracted from my notes.
#52 - RF I like this post.
#85 - RF Another good post. Towny. Like this.
#101 -RF Holy crap I love this man.
#103 - RF Impressed by this, again love this guy.
#122 - RF. Harsher reads. Still like him still town.
#132 - RF. Does this man ever have bad thoughts? He’s taking the words straight out of my mouth.
#140 - RF. Slightly more confusing however no less true. Town all the way.
#177 - RF I like this post. Little bit aggro but it is Swiss.

^Those are all the posts that I really do like from him.

Oh yeah I looked at your comment I just don't know why you dismissed it.

This doesn't tell me anything. This tells me you can butter up to someone, and not in the way that is justified. How is 'loving this guy' the same as 'he is town'? The only conclusion you made was that 'his thoughts match up with yours.' You don't make this clear and you made a threatening statement against me without a need to back it up, nor a vote. Allow me.

Vote: Badwolf

Do more besides sheep an argument, you have your own opinion; give it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

vinyl, why are you stifling discussion?

In what way is Vinyl. stifling discussion? Is it specifically telling?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You realize you rejected working with him first, correct?

Cmon Washed, you're not one to skip on details. This is already explained and I don't see the need to butt in here at all.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

BSP in recent posts does not come off as specifically telling or interesting to me. I know there's a couple of people who see him as scum but I personally think BSP was trying something and fell short of what he wanted to do. His explanations actually come off more townie to me than what other people are saying, and don't compare them to players like Badwolf who posted trash on RF and clinging to a unsubstantiated read among following the herd on me. I'm getting more the vibe of the newbie where I read his intentions wrong and he jumped the gun, he seems like a reactive player if anything. I recall my argument with him in HxH, and it feels like the same thing.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Like how do you have Soup Radfic and BSP all as town?

I mean..

what..?

Took the words right out of my mouth there.

Not liking Inglorious ******* either due to their BSP reasoning being very weak and the vote looking a bit BS'd. I actually find it kind of silly that you told him that he has explaining to do, and then you get on him for "suddenly explaining everything he has done"... :|. I may have actually mis-read that, but even if I didn't, Soup asked him for the same thing right after his first response lol. BSP seems like a very weak push from you and it looks like you're just jumping on a pointless RVS vote. I'm actually gonna put my vote here over Make it Rain because I feel that I could have misunderstood MiR, and I'm not willing to put a vote there until I'm certain that I understand the slot's reasoning.

Vote: Inglorious *******

@bold Yeah, this is where you misunderstood like everything. The "you have some explaining to do" wasn't posted just like that, without context, you know. I clearly stated that I have issues with the way he comments on every little unimportant piece of anything except things that are important, which is kind of what matters. Since he proceeds to explain every facette of how or why I am wrong or how he considers it important/justified to comment on pre-game banter then he only confirms my point - he explains everything but himself. I still don't know why he commented on post X and what he hoped to gain from it other than to look pro-town without doing anything pro-town. So after all his explanations his motives and the purpose of his posts are still completely unclear, meaning he *does* have some explaining to do.

My issue with BSP remains the same - and him saying "who are you to say what's useful and what not" doesn't change this fact at all. Unless you wanna tell me that you think stuff like commenting on pre-game banter would have become useful you'd have no reason to disagree with me here. And even if you don't agree with me you should at least see where I'm coming from and realize my vote on BSP is 100% serious, that I'm not BSing around and that right now, I think he should be toDay's play.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

IR, can see you BSP as NoobTown, or perhaps just anxious? Do you agree with my argument? What's the specific tell on BSP? I haven't read the bigger argument on him so I'm going off my perception.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: can you see*

Goddamnit, early morning posts.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

BSP, why did you ignore me when I called you out in #176? I would still like an answer about this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I understood that he was confident in the read, not why or how he got to it.

When you say "I understand your confidence", there's a generally a reason as to why you believe he is confident.

I agree with this however, I don't get why you were certain on it and why you called me town if you felt RF was confident. Was the basis behind that read? I've skimmed some of your walls so spare the details and get to the point.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Who made you all high and mighty to judge whether or not something is useless? You are not in my head, and you don't know what I'm thinking. If I think it's important, I'm going to ask about it.

[...]

You are not the one to judge on what's useless and what isn't. I don't really care if you don't think what I'm looking at is important. If it feels important to me, I'm going to question it.

Wow wtf @"high and mighty"-callout. Are you earnestly telling me you had expected to gain useful results out of commenting stuff like pro-town banter? Like, do you actually want me to dig your post out and break it apart one by one to show you how it's entirely worthless? Saying "I do my stuff and you're arrogant if you think it's scummy" is not an adequate justification.

You’re jumping to conclusions. Can you verify how far I had read up? How do you know RF’s #101 was not how far I had read at the time? Nothing else in that span interested me aside from RF’s pushes on Soup.

Which is why you commented on everything except said push? You only said you like RadFic more than soup without any explanation, without offering any ways to make that comment part of a discussion. Instead you thought it'd be more useful to comment on pre-game banter and advising soup how to treat inactives.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Soup, I'll answer your stuff in a bit.