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Toon Link Matchup Rediscussion #12: Diddy Kong
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BigMara
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Instead of saying live experience, I should of said a lot of experience. What I'm trying to get at is the more the diddy and Tlink play, the easier the match-up should be for diddy. Shield in general is effective against Tinks playstyle because of his lackluster grab. When your shield gets low, go camp.
Anyways, thats all I have to say for my opinion. Nothing can really be done when I haven't made a name for myself around the boards.
Anyways, thats all I have to say for my opinion. Nothing can really be done when I haven't made a name for myself around the boards.
Popcornio
Smash Apprentice
Wouldn't that work both ways? I used to have a horrible time against my friend's Diddy but since I've learned his game he now has a hard time against me now because I've learned his playstyle, general attack set-ups, ect.
Radori Nighthawk
Smash Apprentice
LOL wut? If anything it's in our favor. How can his naner game be affective if we are ALWYAS in the air?
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1) He can throw naners in the air.
2) We have to land on the ground some time.
BigMara
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Like I said, I feel that diddy has more options and tricks to use against Tlink. The player skills still have a major impact on the match-up....like most match-ups. Its just that usually, Diddy doesn't have to work as hard when he understands all the small details about the match up like bombs vs bananas, bair beating out cartwheel, diddy down tilt being absolutely safe on Tlink's shield, ect. Even if Tlink players understood everything about the match-up, they still need to put good effort to beating diddy. Like I said, proper shielding is good against Tlink because grabs won't come very often and aren't as devastating when they land.
Like I said, diddy can have a banana in his hand and shoot peanuts to force a bair, nair, or airdodge. If you take the hit, not only do you take damage for no reason but you have your front side faced towards diddy....which isn't all that advantages for obvious reasons. Also, a banana is usually ready to be tossed when you land. In some situations, holding a bomb can save you from this predicament.
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
tl can uptilit infinite at mansion
g-nes 3 stocked me to.......
g-nes 3 stocked me to.......
MJG
Smash Hero
Toonlink vs diddy on Mansion is no fun at all.
Ban. Ban. Ban.
Radori Nighthawk
Smash Apprentice
Press A before you land. You'll pick up the naner.
I'm still Loling at 60/40 Diddy. If anything it's 55/45 Toon Link.
Radori Nighthawk
Smash Apprentice
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I second main is Diddy. I've also played Deez and Esoj on FD might I add. Arrow cancels hinder that. Diddy throws a naner while TL arrow cancels. Naner knocks down TL but arrow smacks Diddy in the face. Arrow cancels > Diddy's approach while holder a naner.
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Radori Nighthawk
Smash Apprentice
I wouldn't expect you to. You're Cali and I'm MD/VA.
Well he STILL can't get to us so easily even though we are on our butt. And it's 4 damage thank you. =P
Radori Nighthawk
Smash Apprentice
Of course you'd say that. >_>
I think you're missing the point about HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO GET TO YOU EASILY.
You're a work of art. <_<
Is this war now?
Radori Nighthawk
Smash Apprentice
Because it feels like you're out to get me?
Anyway, I'll do just that.
EDIT: I didn't like the outcome of that match.
R3d X
Smash Rookie
I would say short hop nair around a lot.... that usually earns me bananas quite often when against a diddy... fair him off stage if possible for gimpz =P
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
What's with Sasuke and Radori fighting?
QUIVO
Smash Master
Like I said earlier, you're just trading hits with an arrow and banana hitting each other. You're left in the worse position if you don't react quick enough.
Diddy's banana game can still be effective in the air. If you're in the air a lot, it can get predictable and easy to bait.
I think Gnes likes to have a banana waiting for you to land. If you land and catch it, he'll just have another one ready. AZ is the same way.
Diddy's banana game can still be effective in the air. If you're in the air a lot, it can get predictable and easy to bait.
I think Gnes likes to have a banana waiting for you to land. If you land and catch it, he'll just have another one ready. AZ is the same way.
Radori Nighthawk
Smash Apprentice
Not even sure.
Gnes
Smash Master
Quivo's pretty much got it. Ill gladly trade a arrow hit for cornering u on one side of the stage. Also, Tink has a horrible roll animation. I also already explained to why toon link being in the air is not a great idea. It works, until diddy starts frame trapping u upon your landings. The funny part is I don't usually have the upper hand on jerm on the ground, its when he takes to the air that I start to rack up damage. Its a complicated matchup.
Also Bombs are slightly overrated. If U have a Bomb in your hand u cant Z catch the naner i just threw at your feet
Quivo, come back to Texas ^_^
Kaffei
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Quivo has some nice vids vs AZ. I think they are worth watching.
QUIVO
Smash Master
But we can deflect your banana with our bomb : pQuivo's pretty much got it. Ill gladly trade a arrow hit for cornering u on one side of the stage. Also, Tink has a horrible roll animation. I also already explained to why toon link being in the air is not a great idea. It works, until diddy starts frame trapping u upon your landings. The funny part is I don't usually have the upper hand on jerm on the ground, its when he takes to the air that I start to rack up damage. Its a complicated matchup.
Also Bombs are slightly overrated. If U have a Bomb in your hand u cant Z catch the naner i just threw at your feet
Quivo, come back to Texas ^_^
Hopefully I'll be down during christmas
Gnes
Smash Master
Ill just PS your bomb...lol.
RC is Gnes cp now. Get ready son ^_^
RC is Gnes cp now. Get ready son ^_^
I'm confused about something.
Greatness you're saying you'll naner a TL about to land, and then Quivo's saying he can deflect the naner with a bomb. But then you're saying you can PS the bomb.
Doesn't PSing kinda defeat the point, because if you throw the naner then PS, the naner gets blocked by the bomb (and you wouldn't need to powershield). But if you just PS the bomb and not throw the naner, by the time you do that TL will be on the ground and be able to avoid the naner correct?
Please clarify where I'm going wrong.
Greatness you're saying you'll naner a TL about to land, and then Quivo's saying he can deflect the naner with a bomb. But then you're saying you can PS the bomb.
Doesn't PSing kinda defeat the point, because if you throw the naner then PS, the naner gets blocked by the bomb (and you wouldn't need to powershield). But if you just PS the bomb and not throw the naner, by the time you do that TL will be on the ground and be able to avoid the naner correct?
Please clarify where I'm going wrong.
What he means is he's going to cheat, like he always does. If we have a bomb in hand, he throws a banana on the ground where we are goin to land. This way, we can't catch it due to our hands being occupied by a bomb.
The whole powershield bomb thing is kind of a joke. He can't powershield bombs on comand.. Yet =[
The whole powershield bomb thing is kind of a joke. He can't powershield bombs on comand.. Yet =[
copacetic
Smash Journeyman
I think you just won. I need to see how well that works
he didnt win anything..
Z drops bomb
Fastfall, Z catches bomb.
We land, we trip, therefor we cant shield.
besides, I'm not saying his tactic is un beatable, I was just explaining what he was talking. its not that hard to get around, its just something you have to remember.
Z drops bomb
Fastfall, Z catches bomb.
We land, we trip, therefor we cant shield.
besides, I'm not saying his tactic is un beatable, I was just explaining what he was talking. its not that hard to get around, its just something you have to remember.
Gnes
Smash Master
Hahaha uh i throw the banana before your landing animation...theres not enough time to do all those things u suggested. Also if u grab the banana now i can bair your shield with no restraint or i could grab u as u grab the banana. Theorycraft is fun.
Sosuke
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I would draw you a picture to make it easier for you to understand, but I can't on my work computer.
You drop the bomb.
As in like, drop it. With Z.
Fast fall.
Grab the banana under you.
Shield.
There's a bomb about to land and explode.
Good luck with grabbing.
Using Bair on TL's shield might also get you hit.
Either way, it's a safe way out of what Jerm was mentioning.
TL might even be able to punish with the banana.
QUIVO
Smash Master
I remember hearing a young teary-eyed Jerm whisper ever so softly, "Gnes, do me gently" as he closed his eyes and took the ****. It was disturbing to watch.
By the way, Gnes' sig is too good
By the way, Gnes' sig is too good
Gnes
Smash Master
LOLZ. Freaking Quivo...come back to Texas
Uh im throwing the naner in like the few frames before u land, not when ur way up in the air. Thats silly. Bair is completely safe on your shield if u have a item in your hand. There is no move that u have that comes out in enough frames to challenge it. Haha u shouldn't worry too much about this, im learning far worst things to kill your character
QUIVO
Smash Master
You're not serious are you sasuke?
Gnes
Smash Master
Yeah i dont think he is lol