Too many Joke characters?

[INs4niTY-]

You're making a lot of assumptions there.

Tons of them.

Some of them offensive.

You realize most of us are competitive and go to tourneys right?

Then you should also want characters which have proper move set potential rather than just gimmicks.

 

[Mr.Showtime]

I've already said the WFT move set seems decent to me. I'm talking about what people are hoping for in the game. Some ideas just don't look promising.

Just relax then and wait till the game comes out. Then criticize it however you like. Making assumptions off a few trailers and not actually playing the game is kind of silly.

 

[Spaghetti]

I've already said the WFT move set seems decent to me. I'm talking about what people are hoping for in the game. Some ideas just don't look promising.

ok, run by me the idea of captain falcon please - he's a character who in his game has no fighting moves. f-zero fans were probably pretty happy their game would have representation, and no one had any idea what kind of moves he'd have. but look at him now - he's one of the most iconic smash bros characters, both in game representation/personality (if you'll allow me to call it that), and in moveset/gameplay.

right now just bask in the character concepts and be excited by them, and then when the game is released talk **** about ideas and movesets.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Then you should also want characters which have proper move set potential rather than just gimmicks.

What part of we don't like Pichu do you understand?

How is R.O.B. a gimmick?

How are fighting clowns gimmicks?

 

[greenluigiman2]

Then you should also want characters which have proper move set potential rather than just gimmicks.

Moveset potential has NOTHING to do with competitive play... Besides, EVERY character has moveset potential.

 

[Artsy Omni]

Then you should also want characters which have proper move set potential rather than just gimmicks.

PRAY TELL: Who wants characters that are nothing more than just gimmicks? EVERY CHARACTER has "proper moveset potential," as proven by WFT.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Then you should also want characters which have proper move set potential rather than just gimmicks.

You are really trying my patients. Where does it say that a silly character has to have a ****ty moveset? ANY character, no matter the silly/seriousness can have good balanced movesets. Look at all of those create-a-charater threads. Most of them have decent movesets.

 

[INs4niTY-]

You guys don't get my point. It would be easier to make some characters with better move sets according to their games. There are limitations to each franchise. Sakurai can make any move set but it must make sense. Some characters will be very limited because of the nature of their game. Which is why I say characters should be picked upon the possible move sets rather than gimmicks.

 

[greenluigiman2]

You guys don't get my point. It would be easier to make some characters with better move sets according to their games. There are limitations to each franchise. Sakurai can make any move set but it must make sense. Some characters will be very limited because of the nature of their game. Which is why I say characters should be picked upon the possible move sets rather than gimmicks.

Captain Falcon. Your argument is invalid.

 

[Spaghetti]

WFT actually has some of the MOST moveset potential i've seen out of some of the joke characters - she's a goddamn fitness trainer whose A-moves will almost obviously be fitness related exercises + kicking ass, and her b moves will probably involve the exercise equipment you use in wii fit (like from the trailer, the hula hoops and whatnot)

 

[Spaghetti]

You guys don't get my point. It would be easier to make some characters with better move sets according to their games. There are limitations to each franchise. Sakurai can make any move set but it must make sense. Some characters will be very limited because of the nature of their game. Which is why I say characters should be picked upon the possible move sets rather than gimmicks.

did you read my post? :V

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You guys don't get my point. It would be easier to make some characters with better move sets according to their games. There are limitations to each franchise. Sakurai can make any move set but it must make sense. Some characters will be very limited because of the nature of their game. Which is why I say characters should be picked upon the possible move sets rather than gimmicks.

So how does that apply to competitive play?

 

[GamerGuy09]

You guys don't get my point. It would be easier to make some characters with better move sets according to their games. There are limitations to each franchise. Sakurai can make any move set but it must make sense. Some characters will be very limited because of the nature of their game. Which is why I say characters should be picked upon the possible move sets rather than gimmicks.

So....you are saying that Sakurai has no creativity? That he can't make silly characters have cool movesets, he sure proved you wrong with WFT.

 

[Artsy Omni]

You guys don't get my point. It would be easier to make some characters with better move sets according to their games. There are limitations to each franchise. Sakurai can make any move set but it must make sense. Some characters will be very limited because of the nature of their game. Which is why I say characters should be picked upon the possible move sets rather than gimmicks.

I will only say this one more time...

Every

Conceivable

Character

has the potential for a viable moveset. Sure, some characters' moveset potential is more obvious, like Link, Mario, Pikachu, etc., but that's not a valid reason to ignore other characters that are just as important to NIntendo, even if the source material doesn't naturally lend itself to a fighting game.

I suspect a lock sometime soon.... this thread is going nowhere.

 

[Mr.Showtime]

You guys don't get my point. It would be easier to make some characters with better move sets according to their games. There are limitations to each franchise. Sakurai can make any move set but it must make sense. Some characters will be very limited because of the nature of their game. Which is why I say characters should be picked upon the possible move sets rather than gimmicks.

How doesn't Wii Fit Trainer's move set fit from her game? How doesn't Villager's move set fit from his game? I don't understand where you are getting at. Each of their abilities is something from the games......Does Villager dig holes? Yes. Does Wii Fit Trainer exercise? Yes. What's taken out of proportion here?

Does Mr.Game and Watch flip bacon? Yes. Does ROB have a spinning top? Yes. Does Jigglypuff sleep? Yes............I could go on and on.....

 

[GamerGuy09]

I will only say this one more time...

Every

Conceivable

Character

has the potential for a viable moveset. Sure, some characters' moveset potential is more obvious, like Link, Mario, Pikachu, etc., but that's not a valid reason to ignore other characters that are just as important to NIntendo, even if the source material doesn't naturally lend itself to a fighting game.

Completely agree, look at Phoenix Wright in UMvC3. He has one of the most unique movesets in any game ever, but he is still good when used by the right people.

 

[Spaghetti]

To be honest the vast majority of the cast (maybe even all) have moves that were just completely made up just so they could have a complete moveset - when does Mario ever do his spike animation or his upair or sexkick in his games? I could be wrong about these, obviously, but the idea still stands.

 

[INs4niTY-]

So....you are saying that Sakurai has no creativity? That he can't make silly characters have cool movesets, he sure proved you wrong with WFT.

It's not about creativity. It's about the character's potential itself. WTF and Captain Falcon are kinda like a blank canvas and I don't disagree with them both being in the game. I'm talking about characters that have traits which don't suit the game. Not every character out there is a blank canvas.

 

[GamerGuy09]

To be honest the vast majority of the cast (maybe even all) have moves that were just completely made up just so they could have a complete moveset - when does Mario ever do his spike animation or his upair or sexkick in his games? I could be wrong about these, obviously, but the idea still stands.

Totally agree. This is crazy.

 

[JabbatheHutt]

WFT is the only joke character I wouldnt mind sleeping with. if that means anything

 

[Artsy Omni]

To be honest the vast majority of the cast (maybe even all) have moves that were just completely made up just so they could have a complete moveset - when does Mario ever do his spike animation or his upair or sexkick in his games? I could be wrong about these, obviously, but the idea still stands.

This guy has a valid point. For most characters, the specials are the only attacks that draw directly from source games. The vast majority of standard attacks are just invented based on the character's personality, and only in some cases, actual canonical attacks.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It's not about creativity. It's about the character's potential itself. WTF and Captain Falcon are kinda like a blank canvas and I don't disagree with them both being in the game. I'm talking about characters that have traits which don't suit the game. Not every character out there is a blank canvas.

So...which character in not a black canvas and doesn't suit the game?

Do tell us.

 

[greenluigiman2]

@INs4niTY

You've dug yourself into a deep hole my friend.

 

[Spaghetti]

It's not about creativity. It's about the character's potential itself. WTF and Captain Falcon are kinda like a blank canvas and I don't disagree with them both being in the game. I'm talking about characters that have traits which don't suit the game. Not every character out there is a blank canvas.

?????????????????????

you're not making any sense - how could the character being a blank canvas help your point in any way? you just said their game's limitations limited their moveset creativity, which WFT and Captain Falcon obviously disprove. stop trying to act like you still have a valid argument.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Name ANY character, I dare you. And we will create the best moveset for that character. Hell, even the Nintendog would have biting/cuteness powers.

 

[Artsy Omni]

That's it.... I'm done with this thread....

 

[INs4niTY-]

Make Mr Saturn a character please He's so cool.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Name ANY character, I dare you. And we will create the best moveset for that character. Hell, even the Nintendog would have biting/cuteness powers.

Goomba

 

[greenluigiman2]

I made a moveset for Cooking Mama once...

 

[GamerGuy09]

In Conclusion. Every character that could be made, EVER, can have a possible moveset. Phoenix Wright, Roll, and Mr. Game & Watch proved that to us.

Goomba

Challenge Accepted:

Up B: Paragoomba

Side B: Goomba Rush

Neutral B: Goomba Head Butt

Down B: Spike Helmet.

 

[INs4niTY-]

I made a moveset for Cooking Mama once...

I can make a move set for my Big Toe, it doesn't make it a good one.

 

[greenluigiman2]

Goomba

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/64464256
http://metamaster54610.deviantart.com/art/Death-Battle-Moveset-Goomba-347030960

I can make a move set for my Big Toe, it doesn't make it a good one.

Has your big toe ever been in a videogame?

 

[Spaghetti]

I can make a move set for my Big Toe, it doesn't make it a good one.

that's probably why you're not on the dev team then

 

[Mr.Showtime]

I can make a move set for my Big Toe, it doesn't make it a good one.

Then how come you aren't a game designer and Sakurai is a famous renowned designer for one of the best franchises in the history of gaming?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I can make a move set for my Big Toe, it doesn't make it a good one.

Not necessarily.

Big Toe could be high tier if handled correctly.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Not necessarily.

Big Toe could be high tier if handled correctly.

Hahaha, totally agree. Any character moveset can be good if you balance it properly.

 

[Curious Villager]

You look like the type of guy who would really hate Layton if he were to ever make it in... Ah well, this place is a headache anyway so I guess I should make my leave. *walks away*

 

[Spaghetti]

Not necessarily.

Big Toe could be high tier if handled correctly.

what about big toe puts on his deadly mask of justice and his neutral b is nadonadonado?

i think he'd be about a 4/10 in the prima guide though

 

[GamerGuy09]

You look like the type of guy who would really hate Layton if he were to ever make it in... Ah well, this place is a headache anyway so I guess I should make my leave. *walks away*

The thing is Layton can have a moveset. He has fencing abilities for normals. His laytonmobile. PUZZLES!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That's it. I'm maining Big Toe now.