- Aug 13, 2001
- A Cold and Dark Place
- 3DS FC
- Switch FC
You're missing the actual point. We know they are officially different people. Thus, why on earth would they make sense as alts when they aren't just different people, but have like nothing in common beyond the species? It doesn't make sense.that doesnt negate the fact that weve still debated it in this thread of numerous occasions. you can say its not a debate all you want but its still something we did.
now if youll notice my wording i said nobody questioned the identity until 3d world so from since galaxy no one seemed to think there was a difference. and nothing suggest that the red toad in sunshine is the same red toad in galaxy.
And none of those examples are due to having a bad alt choice that makes zero sense. Those are moves that fit the character's ability(and PP is based upon its actual abilities from the various species, as there's a ton of PP-related species. It has barely any weird moves to begin with).you seem to have missed my point about daisy entirely. my point was that its not unusual for characters to have non canon moves just look at falcon, fox, ness, lucas, zelda, daisy, doc, PP, ice climbers, r.o.b., ganondorf. so many characters do things that they dont do in their own games and whether or not it makes "sense" is actually subjective. smash's relation to the canon is loose at best, even the characters who are alts arent the same. from what i under stand enderman had to be shrink to fit steve, all the koopalings are the wrong size, really the only ones who are as similar as you seem to think they need to be are olimar and alph. toad, toadette, captain and even toadsworth may all play very differently but if sakurai wants them to be alts he can make them all alts and frankly it would make as much sense as having ganondorf be a clone of falcon (who are even more different than night and day) just cause the have the same body shape. there are far stranger things that make even less sense in smash.
besides if you think those two being alts is a bad idea you should have seen the last suggestion we got
So no, I don't see a single one of those as a good point towards it. Many of those were clones or have actual circumstances for why it works that way.
The only thing an alt has ever done that's awkward is a loss of personality, but never once was it a moveset issue. Not even the Spirits being weird(and frankly, we know there's a lack of research anyway, as they obviously have non-canon based evolutions, like Nipper Plant evolving into Petey Piranha of all things) means anything related to alts. Cause that's a problem with the Spirits being poor. They didn't even know that they were using a fan-made Masked Man sprite. Obviously lack of research is obvious. That's the only time they even got the Toad and Captain Toad thing wrong anyway. Unlike them, Sakurai does his research. And he's not going to be unaware those two are still hard different as night and day. Captain Toad can't play like Toad, and Toad can't play like Captain Toad. Besides, every single clone/etc. example you noted actually do have logic behind them. It's not "non-canon move" so much as "they can believably do stuff like this due to their own abilities, animations that use it, and/or cause it comes from their games".
Nobody is asking you to fix the topic so it's more accurate or whatever, since you're supporting two entirely different characters in one slot, but trying to act like they're the same is just plain silly and ignoring facts now. You were simply wrong they were the same person. It's not a big deal. Don't be so stubborn about that fact.