Tirkaro is now selling out: tirkaro's character predictions.

[tirkaro]

I was talking about the teeth. I like the armour, hate the teeth. I also love Mario Strikers Charged Football, my favourite Mario Spinoff game ever (well second favourite, I'll always love Mario Kart 64 )

the teeth did always creep me out for some reason 0_o

You use bongos to move and beat the same bosses over and over again and you don't see how it's gimmicky?

they were at least trying something new with a newly established control method. its like calling a rythm based game where you use the regular controller gimmicky.

Not really, they both appeared in the same game which was a part of neither franchise, they both spawned from the same game but neither is a spinoff of the other. DK characters just happen to appear in Mario spinoffs probably because the Mario series just doesn't have enough characters and it pays homage to the series' roots well.

a spinoff is simply any series spawned from a pre-existing series. donkey kong country was a spinoff because it starred a character originally from the mario games. diddy is a product of a spinoff, still making him a spinoff character. yes, the DK games have made thier own name as its own series, but it's still technically just a spinoff. just as wario ware is a mario spinoff.

Because he's Japan Only, Retro, Never recieved a sequal. He could have some sort of a chance but really it would be around 45-55%

sakurai is still adding japan only characters, and takamaru is the definitive japan only character. his chances are the highest out of any character who has never seen the light of day out of the land of the rising sun. he was acknowledged by sakurai himself, even before melee came out. and since when was retro a disadvantage? last time I checked on this side of the ice climbers, pit, and marth, sakurai had nothing against retro characters. if anything, he would probably want to add more retros.

Allthough his chances are better than Takamaru being from Nintendo's first fighter 74% is practically a shoe in, Sukapon is far from a shoe in, he would be about 59-60%.

how are his chances greater than takamaru if everything you argued against takamaru also applies to sukapon?

Well allthough Golden Sun was popular, it's not a shoe in at 75%, it's about 10% less than that because there are still chances that Sakurai would want to represent allready represented series more.

in that case, you think exactly the opposite as me. I want different franchises to be repped, not just the same old franchises, and I believe sakurai thinks the same. smash is supposed to be part fanservice game. adding in a character from a new franchise would make a lot more people happy than a character from an already established franchise.

Tom Nook is the face of his game and his game was way more popular than Isaac's also the background doesn't mean anything. In Smash Bros you can have four different Marios fight eachother, consistancy doesn't mean anything in the series.

say I do consider your "not deconfirmed" logic, but he's not the main character. tom nook just so happens to sell stuff to you and charge you a buttload of dept. really, all the animals as a whole are the face of AC. and that was simply represented by the smashville stage. and the next best thing to the faces of AC was the main character: yourself. which is represented by the generic AC kid.

 

[xianfeng]

the teeth did always creep me out for some reason 0_o

I hate everything Nintendo has done with the DK franchise since they sold Rare except for handing it over to PAON, the teeth is a big reason why.

they were at least trying something new with a newly established control method. its like calling a rythm based game where you use the regular controller gimmicky.

Nintendo is all about Gimmicks, look at the **** wii. Just because it's fun doesn't mean it isn't a gimmick.

a spinoff is simply any series spawned from a pre-existing series. donkey kong country was a spinoff because it starred a character originally from the mario games. diddy is a product of a spinoff, still making him a spinoff character. yes, the DK games have made thier own name as its own series, but it's still technically just a spinoff. just as wario ware is a mario spinoff.

But the original Donkey Kong Arcade wasn't a mario game.

sakurai is still adding japan only characters, and takamaru is the definitive japan only character. his chances are the highest out of any character who has never seen the light of day out of the land of the rising sun. he was acknowledged by sakurai himself, even before melee came out. and since when was retro a disadvantage? last time I checked on this side of the ice climbers, pit, and marth, sakurai had nothing against retro characters. if anything, he would probably want to add more retros.

I still don't think he's a shoe in like you say he is.

how are his chances greater than takamaru if everything you argued against takamaru also applies to sukapon?

Sukapon is from a fighting game.

in that case, you think exactly the opposite as me. I want different franchises to be repped, not just the same old franchises, and I believe sakurai thinks the same. smash is supposed to be part fanservice game. adding in a character from a new franchise would make a lot more people happy than a character from an already established franchise.

Smash isn't all about fanservice if it was can you please explain Pichu, Dr Mario, Young Link, Roy, Ice Climber and Mr Game and Watch to me?

say I do consider your "not deconfirmed" logic, but he's not the main character. tom nook just so happens to sell stuff to you and charge you a buttload of dept. really, all the animals as a whole are the face of AC. and that was simply represented by the smashville stage. and the next best thing to the faces of AC was the main character: yourself. which is represented by the generic AC kid.

I never said that he was the main character, but he was the face of the series if you think about it because he was seen the most out of all characters and the human is too generic, unless they go with using the movie's version of a character (a female generic ACer given personality) then smash kid couldn't really work.

 

[Pieman0920]

Samus's Visors says Dark Samus is a she, because he looks just like Samus. The Visor is a computer it doesn't have common sense. Besides technically it's still a metroid, thus genderless, thus you can call it a she and i can call him a he. We all win.

...That's no excuse. Unless Retro comes out and says that the visor is wrong (despite it always being right about everything else) she's a she, no matter how you try to write it off. (And with titles like Metroid Queen, you'd think that they would have females, or be equated to them as they give birth.)

 

[tirkaro]

I hate everything Nintendo has done with the DK franchise since they sold Rare except for handing it over to PAON, the teeth is a big reason why.

the teeth only appear in the more "stylized" DK/mario games, supposedly to give him more personality. after all, rare DK was a huge change from arcade/nes DK, and I suppose nintendo is trying to make him evolve a bit more. I dunno really, but I sorta see where a DKC fan like you are coming from.

Nintendo is all about Gimmicks, look at the **** wii. Just because it's fun doesn't mean it isn't a gimmick.

the term "gimmick" is debatable. the NES controller was considered weird, since it had no joystick. analog control was considered gimmicky, but now its a staple of gaming. rumble was considered gimmicky, but its now a staple as well. heck, I wouldn't be surprised if online gaming was considered gimmicky at first. heck, DKC was gimmicky in a way, since nintendo used the whole "ZOMG, ITZ FULLY RENDER'D!!!!!!!!!!111" campaign for people to buy it. just because it seems gimmicky, doesn't mean its gimmicky forever.

But the original Donkey Kong Arcade wasn't a mario game.

debatable. the original donkey kong was considered the first mario game, even though it doesn't have mario in the title. so I suppose its how you see it.

I still don't think he's a shoe in like you say he is.

I never said he was a shoe in. I'm just saying he's pretty likely. this is especially clear if you've been following the poll translations.

Sukapon is from a fighting game.

ah, I see now.

Smash isn't all about fanservice if it was can you please explain Pichu, Dr Mario, Young Link, Roy, Ice Climber and Mr Game and Watch to me?

pichu was just a joke character to expand the roster, Dr mario was just a clone to make the roster seem bigger than it really is, same with OoT Y. link, roy was a clone made to both expand the roster, and to shamelessly advertise a new FE game, Im certain a lot of people had fond memories of ice climber, since it was bundled with the nes in some european continents, and G&W was incredibly important to video game history, and nintendo's first game character. plus, G&W devices were very popular for thier time.

I never said that he was the main character, but he was the face of the series if you think about it because he was seen the most out of all characters and the human is too generic, unless they go with using the movie's version of a character (a female generic ACer given personality) then smash kid couldn't really work.

what about pokemon trainer and G&W? just because a character is generic, that doesn't make him bad. and gyroid was the character you saw most really.

 

[Pieman0920]

Pichu was popular at the time. :O

So was Young Link, and Dr. Mario really. The others lacked popularity though.

 

[Kurizu208]

i love your list minus jill and ryu. i rather see claus and geno then those two. plus they have higher chances. change those two characters and best list ever but thats my opinion

 

[xianfeng]

the teeth only appear in the more "stylized" DK/mario games, supposedly to give him more personality. after all, rare DK was a huge change from arcade/nes DK, and I suppose nintendo is trying to make him evolve a bit more. I dunno really, but I sorta see where a DKC fan like you are coming from.

Well you see that was explained in game, the Rare or current DK is just DK Jr all grown up and the original Donkey Kong is just a young Cranky.

the term "gimmick" is debatable. the NES controller was considered weird, since it had no joystick. analog control was considered gimmicky, but now its a staple of gaming. rumble was considered gimmicky, but its now a staple as well. heck, I wouldn't be surprised if online gaming was considered gimmicky at first. heck, DKC was gimmicky in a way, since nintendo used the whole "ZOMG, ITZ FULLY RENDER'D!!!!!!!!!!111" campaign for people to buy it. just because it seems gimmicky, doesn't mean its gimmicky forever.

The Bongos will always be a gimmick.

debatable. the original donkey kong was considered the first mario game, even though it doesn't have mario in the title. so I suppose its how you see it.

Well that was Jumpman not Mario, the first real Mario game was Mario Bros. I like to think of the original DK game as an arcade game that spawned the Mario series and the DK series, making them both spinoffs of the same game.

I never said he was a shoe in. I'm just saying he's pretty likely. this is especially clear if you've been following the poll translations.

We don't know what the poll means so I don't think that should be used for any sources but w/e

ah, I see now.

I would actually love Sukapon in the game, I just don't think he's that likely

pichu was just a joke character to expand the roster, Dr mario was just a clone to make the roster seem bigger than it really is, same with OoT Y. link, roy was a clone made to both expand the roster, and to shamelessly advertise a new FE game, Im certain a lot of people had fond memories of ice climber, since it was bundled with the nes in some european continents, and G&W was incredibly important to video game history, and nintendo's first game character. plus, G&W devices were very popular for thier time.

Do you have sources that that is why Sakurai used any of those characters? Unless you do than that is just speculation (all though I do agree with it all, it's not fact)

what about pokemon trainer and G&W? just because a character is generic, that doesn't make him bad. and gyroid was the character you saw most really.

Gyroid isn't a character, it's like a mailbox...

 

[Metalknux]

WTF? Falco as an alt? I'd kill Sakurai if that happened. But at least he's on there and you have Krystal so this gets 6/10.

 

[xianfeng]

Pichu was popular at the time. :O

Pichu was never that popular. Probably one of if not the most popular second gen pokemon was Heracross.

So was Young Link

I don't see how young link did considering nobody considered him a real character before melee...

and Dr. Mario really.

Dr Mario was never that popular at all, I don't even think his games were that popular...

The others lacked popularity though.

Ice Climbers did have a lot of European popularity but nobody cares about Europe....

 

[Shuma]

...That's no excuse. Unless Retro comes out and says that the visor is wrong (despite it always being right about everything else) she's a she, no matter how you try to write it off. (And with titles like Metroid Queen, you'd think that they would have females, or be equated to them as they give birth.)

Metroid Prime was a He, Dark Samus is Metroid Prime, Dark Samus laughs and "speaks" like a man, i consider him a "he".

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

you idiots... not everything has a gender you know

 

[xianfeng]

Like Ditto!

And Mewtwo...

 

[Pieman0920]

Heracross? I'm sure it had its fans, but there's no way it was more popular than Pichu. Do you just like Heracross or something? =/

EDIT: Whoops, didn't see ya there Shuma.

Where does it say Metroid Prime is a "he" because I've never seen its gender stated. It then goes in and absorbs Samus's DNA, and fully becomes a she which is stated, despite having a deep voice. There isn't any debate on this, it is what it is.

 

[Diddy Kong]

DONKEY KONG

alt costumes: strikers charged, other colors.

Oh yeah, now were talkin'! He is the leader of the bunch, and you may just so happen to know him well. He's now back in brawl to kick some tail. He may have no coconut gun that fires in spurts, but if he still punches you, it's certainly going to hurt. In this installment, he looks a lot bigger. Hopefully a bit faster. But he'll certainly be stronger too. cuz, y'know, he's the first member of the DK crew. duh. Even though DKC1, DK64, and jungle beat were the only DK games I cared about, Dk is still one cool guy. anyway, what can I say about changes to DK that hasn't been said by kirby kid? well, he's certainly going to have some super armor
here and there, but he wont really need it as much as bowser does. but other than that, check out kirbykid's movechanges on the smash blog. some great ideas there. one complaint I have here is that they didn't use his jungle beat look. dont get me wrong, the new look is good and all, but his jungle beat look was soooooooo much more badass -A-...

And here I'm gonna say: EWW! I'm sorry, but the hatred I have against Jungle Beat and everything related to it is even worse than your undeserved hate for Diddy. Jungle Beat is a big ****ing slap in the face for everyone who DID liked the DKC games. No your NOT a fan, otherwise you'd at least appericiate DKC2 which is the best out of the trioligy by far.

Jungle Beat replaced nearly EVERYTHING in the DK franchise. They replaced Diddy for useless and irritating white gibbons, they replaced Kremlings with the most unorignal cast of drones I've ever saw and never even WANNA see back and they replaced Rambi for a GOAT and all other Rare animal buddies by their own creations. That, and DK looks TERRIBLE in Jungle Beat, and I mean TERRIBLE! Donkey looked like a moronic goofy-***! On top of that, they made him show his teeth ALL THE ****ING TIME which looks absolutely horrible and his fur looks like public hair!

I mean do you REALLY prefer this...:

Over THIS!?

Atleast not me! There's the tough DK again, the personality Rare gave him! You claimed you liked DK64? Well, this design by far looks most like DK's DK64 design not to mention I see no thorrible teeth and public hair fur... What I see is pure badassness and the best DK design since 1999.

 

[xianfeng]

Amen DDK! But he's a hater, they don't listen.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Amen DDK! But he's a hater, they don't listen.

So, anybody that remotely enjoys Jungle Beat in any way, shape or form hates the DK series?

As for the list, generally I enjoy, but no Ness makes me a sad panda. Not even including Ryu Hayabusa fixes that. Update for Sonic and it's all good.

 

[raphtmarqui]

^Ryu fixes the whole list for me.

 

[xianfeng]

So, anybody that remotely enjoys Jungle Beat in any way, shape or form hates the DK series?.

He also said that he doesn't like DKC2. You can like JB and still be a fan, just not a huge fan. But if you like JB more than any of the DKCs, DKLs or even DK64 but still like those games your not a hater but your far from being a fan

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

He also said that he doesn't like DKC2. You can like JB and still be a fan, just not a huge fan. But if you like JB more than any of the DKCs, DKLs or even DK64 but still like those games your not a hater but your far from being a fan

Can't argue with that "logic", altough DKC 1 is the best rare DK game

Best Nintendo made one is DK Jr.

 

[xianfeng]

Can't argue with that "logic", altough DKC 1 is the best rare DK game

DKC2 is far better.

Best Nintendo made one is DK Jr.

I hate all the Nintendo made ones, the original ones are too simple and the new ones just plain suck but I do however love PAON's DK magic <3 I can't wait for Bongo Blast

 

[tirkaro]

And here I'm gonna say: EWW! I'm sorry, but the hatred I have against Jungle Beat and everything related to it is even worse than your undeserved hate for Diddy. Jungle Beat is a big ****ing slap in the face for everyone who DID liked the DKC games. No your NOT a fan, otherwise you'd at least appericiate DKC2 which is the best out of the trioligy by far.

Jungle Beat replaced nearly EVERYTHING in the DK franchise. They replaced Diddy for useless and irritating white gibbons, they replaced Kremlings with the most unorignal cast of drones I've ever saw and never even WANNA see back and they replaced Rambi for a GOAT and all other Rare animal buddies by their own creations. That, and DK looks TERRIBLE in Jungle Beat, and I mean TERRIBLE! Donkey looked like a moronic goofy-***! On top of that, they made him show his teeth ALL THE ****ING TIME which looks absolutely horrible and his fur looks like public hair!

I mean do you REALLY prefer this...:

Over THIS!?

Atleast not me! There's the tough DK again, the personality Rare gave him! You claimed you liked DK64? Well, this design by far looks most like DK's DK64 design not to mention I see no thorrible teeth and public hair fur... What I see is pure badassness and the best DK design since 1999.

boo-freakin'-hoo. what, because I happen to like jungle beat, that makes me an ignoramous? guess what? is the game called donkey kong country jungle beat? no. its an entirely game. I honestly couldn't care less about what characters were replaced. the thing I loved about it was that it was an exciting and new take on the DK franchise that had never been seen before. and it was very fun. short, but fun. and if you cant accept that, then too bad. I liked the game, and you cant stop me from liking it.

second, I never said I hated DKC2 as a game. the only thing I remember about it was crying in front of my TV when I realized you cant play as DK, which REALLY pissed me off, since Donkey kong was one of my favorite characters at the time. I know many people love it, and its supposed to be a great game and all, but I was simply pissed at the fact you could only play as diddy, which caused me to hate him so much. I never truely played the game, so I really dont know what to say about it really.

He also said that he doesn't like DKC2. You can like JB and still be a fan, just not a huge fan. But if you like JB more than any of the DKCs, DKLs or even DK64 but still like those games your not a hater but your far from being a fan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

 

[xianfeng]

Well if you weren't so stupid as a kid and read the **** box or looked at the cover at all, maybe you wouldn't have that problem...

 

[Arteen]

It has Isaac, so I like your list out of principle. Also, I like how you're more inclined to select characters from a variety of series, rather than adding new characters to already-represented series.

 

[Pete278]

Well if you weren't so stupid as a kid and read the **** box or looked at the cover at all, maybe you wouldn't have that problem...

The name "Donkey Kong Country" sort of gives the impression you can play as DK. You know, since his name is in the title and all.

 

[OnyxVulpine]

KRYSTAL
(no picture here, since I'm too afraid to look up images of her.)
alt costumes: anything but her adventures outfit.
chances of getting in: 80%

okay, fine, you win starfox fans, here's krystal. I actually seriously didn't include her at first since I'm incredibly afraid of looking up any pictures of her. darned furries.[/racist]
I honestly dislike krystal. she just seems like a quick stand in for peppy, and an obligatory love intrest for fox. however, she is the only starfox character who wouldn't be a fox clone, so eh, why not.

/Gasp

I guess I'm alright you felt that she will get in. But still, searching for pics for her? What search engine do you use? And what filter settings is it on? haha.

And being against furries is racist? (news to me unless I'm reading it wrong)

Anyway, good list I say, I'm a lil iffy for Young Link but wouldn't mind him returning.

-Onyx