Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Soup, does your 2x speed thing still work even if you're lynched?
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^well, no A better plan is lynching you, then using the speed up and lynching Gova/further consideration for the next scum. i believe lynching you should be enough.If Ran is town and poisoned and dies toNight as a result, and if we mislynch today, that's three players remaining. I would like to lynch SK (scumread, lying etc) and if they're town, they can use their 2x ability and see us properly through the Night. Two indies and two maf flips means one remaining.
Go look at the end of D1 where you deftly avoided responding to me when, after you asked me for it, I pointed out the multiple occasions that I'd referred to my latest response to our back-and-forth, and linked you to all the posts that made up my scum read on you.(btw nabe could you? the game is massive and it takes too long to find questions)
Maybe. I'm forced to disagree, because you're scummy so must be scum. Yeah?Ran and Grey are Town. I want to add this: a scum governor is not broken. A scum governor that happens to commute with the possibility of escaping the game for a total of X amount of mislynches... ... ... ... This is inherently a non-scum role and we're Town.
This is patently false and I'd love to see quotes for all of it. "Misconstrued situations" amounts to disagreements between you and I, I'd imagine. "Clinging onto old reads", what is this? First, tell me why old reads are somehow "redundant" or at all useless which is what you're suggesting, then show me "clinging" onto anything. "Drawing blood from stones" is the same as the previous; where have I done any of this?...nabe nabe nabe misconstrued situations and has clung on to old, antique, redundant reads that are not representative of his suspects. He draws blood from stones. It is bloody misconstruction Look at us, Nich and Swiss as good examples.
What does this mean?Nabe's D1 was a farce! how was he to know we would be a pseudo-governor? This is an awful post. So is this. He expected us to die at the time of our 'lynch'. Any points he made that contributed to this were not based on our claim as this was non-existent to him. So what exactly was the basis of his reasoning on us? He does claim there's more, but it all reduces down to his interpretation of something that happened on page 4!, as we have shown many a time We can't stress how redundant this is in light of the mass content this game has produced. He did this with Nich, who pointed this out well IOO.
You're right, I missed that (172) in my list of quotes. But let's quote 172 for old time's sake.even then, when the redundant read is looked at in more detail, it is misconstrued. Look: #1921 -> read the part where he quotes an exchange he had with Soup. He misses this. We explained previously how a quote such as this (among others) show Soup as having an agree-to-disagree mentality -> Nabe insists otherwise, but it looks as though he doesn't want to take certain elements of Soup's conversation into consideration. Ultimately, for some who advocated "alternative possibilities", his reads are the most rigid.
The bolding is my own. Soup clearly says he's standing by his T-block point, despite it being a "mistake" -- these are his own words. This post supports my point of view; Soup accepts he's wrong.Phone johns, i still had to re-read at the time but things were going on so it faltered it, i read the surface but mixed up my thoughts because i was in that rapid-fire mode, i looked back and saw my mistake, but i stand by my T-block point, whether you want to call it as "reaching to make t-block look scummy" is your gander.
Now that's certainly tenuous. I'm not entirely sure how you could see those two situations as similar; both of the town and scum explanations for your actions fit, but IMO my own explanation made more sense and I asked you for a response to counter it. Your posts at this point appeared rambling and I couldn't make heads or tails of what you meant to say. Meanwhile with Soup, he insisted T-block was fishing and I very plainly showed that he wasn't -- only one explanation fits the situation. Soup admitted to this, and then continued to push the point despite that.note: something here is fishy to me on reread - take the part where he "understood" my reasoning from both a Town and Scum perspective, but had reasons to still believe we were scum... Replace this with Soup's "Fair enough, but I still disagree...", and you have a similar situation - Soup understood, but had his reasons to believe otherwise. Hypocrisy in this manner... it shows a logic that isn't genuine. I don't think Nabe's logic is genuine. I see that fishy post as something significant but only Vanz would understand me.
The post you link here is 2719, which I responded to. You say "Nothing has changed" but haven't acknowledged my response, so how can this possibly be a valid point?also... actually...regarding his reactions to grey throughout D1... i was saying to soup that I categorise grey as the little suzy of this game...someone who would answer questions on the phone with a nod but never speak yes That is... how does one interpret a player that speaks in gambits? To show confusion, doubt, uncertainty is a natural reaction, and Nabe is a player who has looked at Grey with no sense of doubt and a complete sense of trust. I disliked this mucho. We outlined our thoughts on this here. Nothing has changed. Nabe, throughout the entirety of this game didn't bother to look to others to read Grey, despite claiming he would do as such. Where was the interest? He knew they weren't aligned, that's why amirite?
Nich asked me himself why Swiss was scummier than PTSD or Zen. I answered him. You suggest that I had an agenda to defend PTSD -- bull****. Now, objectively between the three of them, Swiss is scummier because his posts had content; he clearly had some sort of agenda and the other two didn't show one. That was the question I was asked. Re: Swiss in total, I've already admitted to what you suggest, which is that I didn't want to be lynched and didn't have time to swing it on Nich. I had a couple little points but they were not the main focus.justifying swiss and trying to separate him from Sex Dance and Zen... lolz, the idea that swiss' posts reaching a motive or something ludicrous and sex dance/zen not doing as such... I mean is this srs??? it was the most mundane of reasoning I'm going to elaborate on this when it's not too late but it was a subtle defence of Sex Dance. It was just mundane reasoning to justify an opportunistic, momentum-inducing vote on swiss. The wagon was dirty. That vote was one of survival.
but you're scumA better plan is lynching you, then using the speed up and lynching Gova/further consideration for the next scum. i believe lynching you should be enough.
whyMechanically speaking, myself and Sex Dance can't both be scum
No, I meant one of any scum is left. Probably mafia though, two Mafia Sorceress flips and no others is strange. Mafia Link doesn't make much sense at all, but you have 50 things to answer for atm so I can only think atm that you're scum. Capiche?and Sex Dance is scum. You claimed there is one more scum... that would imply Sex Dance/July/Someone else, correct?
What are you talking about? The only person aside from you that seems to think PTSD is coming back was Reyth iirc. I certainly don't; a mafo that gets lynched and comes back? Makes no sense. I stand by my original idea, that somehow PTSD converted July at night. Reyth probably shot her as requested of the vig by several people.How can there be 2 scum roles that mechanically remove themselves from the game? Town would be eating themselves alive... mislynches galore. I, for one, would love a scum team that could just walk away from... all the action...
nahThe indies are dead. 6 anti-town is bad. There could be 3 scum. We are not aligned with Sex Dance. We are clear. Ran is poisoned and clear. Grey's mod meta and protection of jpeg -- he is likely clear. You should claim. So should Gova. The plan guarantees to hit scum.
There are a ton of lies and consistently poor reclaiming of facts. I'll be going into those tomorrow, presumably after you've responded to all of this. That said, this is the first I've heard of your ability being a night ability -- did I miss something? You speak as if I'd already accused you of it being scummy.regarding our claim btw: well... golly gosh 2/3 of our abilities are now mod-proven. The final one can be. There IS no extreme lie -> the mechanics of our role is exactly as we described. However, there's one difference, and that is the execution of our time travel. It is a night ability not a twilight one. Why does this difference make us scummy, again? It's not so much a lie as it's just an alternative truth <-- That's a serious statement!
A question to other players: did the bolded ever occur to you? This sounds like BS, this reading of such an ability never occurred to me.^The whole point lies in the intrigue. The other game + it being a Twilight ability added some mystique for the scummies as we don't have common interests. How would a scum react knowing their enemy is definitely jetting off to another game for potential game-breaking information? (I hope you **** yourself Nabe ) It was meant to be a mousetrap. We knew it wouldn't be mod-confirmed, so we expected scum to take this as an opportunity to kill us thinking our ability didn't work, or twilight role-blocked etc.
I'm going to call this null.o also... we setup meta'd and expected more twilight actions from the anti-town side to balance our twilight ones... I thought declaring our intent to go to the other game could potentially attract anti-town actions - potential role blocks, stoppers, time travel shenanigans etc., and they would target air, because we weren't doing anything with that action. it was something if not a little farfetched.
I have been, i've been somewhat filling Kata in at times, but, since we're at that point of the game, i will go find and respond to your questions you had for us.Go look at the end of D1 where you deftly avoided responding to me when, after you asked me for it, I pointed out the multiple occasions that I'd referred to my latest response to our back-and-forth, and linked you to all the posts that made up my scum read on you.
Additionally, have you been keeping up with the game?
I suppose these were the ones you wanted to have answered? i'll gladly dig them up.SK: Not sure what you're getting at in 2546 but I'm going to attempt a response regardless; have you acknowledged 2312, 2425, or 2432? Could you respond with quotes to those? Our back-and-forth seems to be getting very mixed up.
I'm assuming this is about the t-block scuffle, i admitted i was wrong about a certain fact, and if you remember, and not bend this to a point of breakability, it was this:Those statements are not phatic at all. They directly state understanding; they have a purpose and wouldn't be said without a purpose. If he agreed to disagree, he would say that. And since I then repeated myself and he agreed my point was valid, I really have to give this a big fat no.
It's a tacit admission that he was wrong, made scummy by his original contention of the point, after which I gave no new reasoning and he then conceded. And what I said quite clearly does invalidate what he was saying, because what he was saying was plainly false in that he said T-block was rolefishing when his words couldn't possibly be taken as such. To say that someone is rolefishing is a really scummy stroke to paint, so the motive for a scumSoup in this is clear as well.
me said:WIFOM point in 151, abritrary OMGUS of Nich, and meta reasons, which i have explained, they're a bit scrambled but you can find them.
Those were my other Reasons about T-block, but as explained i was wrong about the arguement concerning T-blocks entry post, and i took it as such, however, i wasn't going to let go of it because i still felt T-block was scummy, i can see your perspective of reasoning here, however.Nabe said:The points themselves are for T-block to respond to at this point; what you're expressing now has body compared to your prior points and isn't wrong out-of-hand.
I find it unsettling that you're extending your prior vote onto posts after it, after begrudgingly admitting that I'm right about the mechanics posts which were your original vote reasoning. Hoping to see new directions from your slot tomorrow.
Kata believed you were scum at that point in time, and still does, hell, he was really convicted of you but i had other avenues i wanted, and one of them was VG at that time because of the arguement between DeGrey and Him, as explained before.From this line of questioning, it's fair to say that your only scumread is VG, correct? Since you call me null in the top post and you vote for VG, and say that I would be your second choice.
That was kata, not me, hydra johns but i'm just telling you the truth.@SK: 2397 is bad. I know you're jokey but come on, you can do better than bolding an entire paragraph and blanketing it under a claim of WIFOM (and you do in 2398 so 2397 was just to be a jerk?)
See: Kata having you as scum and me having you as null.SK: I thought I was null?
It's almost as if you didn't read my post!Well. I don't know what to say. I can't use mah vote.... ;-;
MAH POWAHZ R GONE.
I mean... I guess I'll state here officially: I'll sheep SK virtually. YES.
Err... Naybey baby, y u no claim?
iirc there are more, like a response to my reads post.I suppose these were the ones you wanted to have answered? i'll gladly dig them up.
The point I made way-back-when about T-block was that he wasn't fishing, did you agree with that point? Here you seem to be saying that you were doing what I've been saying you were doing, which is extending your vote onto T-block for new reasoning after we agreed I'd done away with the old.I'm assuming this is about the t-block scuffle, i admitted i was wrong about a certain fact, and if you remember, and not bend this to a point of breakability, it was this:
Those were my other Reasons about T-block, but as explained i was wrong about the arguement concerning T-blocks entry post, and i took it as such, however, i wasn't going to let go of it because i still felt T-block was scummy, i can see your perspective of reasoning here, however.
Bluh hydra johns. Why didn't you keep better care of matching each other's scumreads? Why didn't you agree on a lynch and have one frame of mind like any other player slot would? As a single player slot I would be calling you guilty right now.Kata believed you were scum at that point in time, and still does, hell, he was really convicted of you but i had other avenues i wanted, and one of them was VG at that time because of the arguement between DeGrey and Him, as explained before.
Err I didn't read SK's either.It's almost as if you didn't read my post!
Don't give thoughts, I want to hear from SK. You're useless to me without a vote so please don't taint my response pool.Err I didn't read SK's either.
I'll read them both and give thoughts tho
So why go OH U DIDNT READ IT WAH.Don't give thoughts, I want to hear from SK. You're useless to me without a vote so please don't taint my response pool.
Your call.sorry 'bout this OS.
Song of time 1x speed is a twilight role/when someone is lynched
Song of time 2x speed is a day role, i could activate it at any time if i wanted to.
Time Travel is a Night role.