I'm talking about doing the counter off-stage, though. If Mac uses his counter off-stage, he's never getting back on the stage, which rather defeats the purpose.and
(Smash mode) can do it quickly at a low percentage.
Will need to test again for Shulk, but I never got it to work with him.
Edit: just about works for Shulk, too, but the timing is much stricter than with other characters.
Edit 2: works with Greninja as well if you aim correctly, though he can also just use Up-B and make the PK Thunder miss entirely

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