Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Raziek]

I'm kind of wanting to get some Raz training too now, but I'm concerned that teaching me would be much like teaching Sandbag.

This line in particular though:


This amuses me so much.

Thank you for the info and the humor, Raz.

I'd be happy to play you sometime.

On the humor: If I'm not having fun with it, what's the point? :D

 

[redfeatherraven]

I'd be happy to play you sometime.

On the humor: If I'm not having fun with it, what's the point? :D

Preach, brother.

And I'd be happy to play as well, I just don't want you to expect miracles outta me. But that's the point of learning, y'know?

At any rate this week is kinda booked for me, but maybe the beginning of next week I'll poke you about it if that's alright.

and weird japanese stuff of the day.

Saved this one for a new post because I wanted to be sure you got the notification. Ain't takin no chances.

To each their own, but the fact that anyone can hold conversation about that area of the body specifically baffles me to no end.

 

[Zantetsugun]

ALRIGHT TEACHING TIME.

Teacher's Note: This is in no way intended to shame or humiliate @The_Cardinal . Everybody gets bodied sometimes. This is to demonstrate some edge-guarding techniques and point out mistakes to help everyone improve.

Right off the bat, let me point out that you gave up positioning immediately. Not always completely horrible, but definitely gave me advantage for taking center stage.

Next thing: Take note of 0:25. At this point, my 'advantage time' is over, since I missed the Bair. Because I had already used my double-jump, I would likely have to land near you (risking a grab) or get Uaired by you. I chose to Elwind here because I had platform cover IMMEDIATELY overhead in the event that I missed. Fortunately, I didn't, and it got me out of the situation with some extra free damage.

0:50 - STRAP IN KIDS, LET ME SHOW YOU HOW TO CONVERT A STOCK ON AN EDGEGUARD.

B-throw is the set-up. Starting %: 52
Elthunder does 1 of 3 things here: Forces out an airdodge, forces a double jump, or hits them, putting them in a worse position.
DOUBLE JUMP GETS USED.
I run off-stage, then jump back on. This prompted Cardinal to float backwards to avoid me. He is now low enough that he no longer has a high/low mix-up because his DJ is gone.
Nair covers most possible timings of Elwind here. I catch him with the back hit, but it's not enough to stage spike.
Elwind. Puts him in a sort of ok position, so I regrab the ledge and do it again to force him back offstage (still no jump), allowing me to position myself for a better edgeguard. He now has literally no choice other than to go to the ledge.
Trump -> Bair. Kills at 106!!!!

Alright, so time to ramble a little bit about Trump -> Bair.

First and foremost, trumpBair does not work on every character. Lots of characters pop out at weird positions where you can't quite catch them with it. The two characters I get the most mileage out of this on is Lucario and Robin. I'm sure there are others, those are just the two I play most frequently.

Secondly, this will not always work. I'm 99% sure a buffered ledge-roll will just get people out of this. That said, that doesn't mean it's bad. It's still a very powerful mix-up, especially if the opponent is not doing so.

But when you can get it, it opens up SUCH EARLY KILLS. Probably our earliest consistent kill set-up in most cases, other than like, Arcfire -> Uair on lowish ceilings. Use iiiiiiiit. Trumping is so good.

Pointing out 1:24 just because it was hilarious.

1:33 - Time to convert another super-low % stock.

Arcfire on the ledge. Standard trap. SH Fair covers most options, allows me to turn around for the grab.
Jump out backwards, threatening Bair. Airdodge successfully baited out.
Jump back onstage to regain stronger positioning. In this case, Cardinal tried to avoid possible Elwind trap by jumping onto the stage. F-Smash the airdodge lag.
1:42, he tries to swat me away from going in for the Nair/Elwind, but I waited.
Unfortunately he used his double-jump, so all aboard the Nairplane.

1:55 - FH Fair -> Falling Nair is pretty cool.

Another trumpBair closes out the final stock.

In general, I also want people to pay attention to how I played reactively in this particular game. Most of the openings I got were from waiting to see what Cardinal did, and punishing accordingly.

Watching you fight made me realize just how far I've still yet to come. In any case, thanks for the in depth guide. I feel that I've learned a lot not just about Robin, but about Sm4sh gameplay in general. Also like @ redfeatherraven said, I love how you weaved together comedy and knowledge. Awesome stuff man!

 

[Kenith]

Anyone else think they might make Galeforce a % activation skill rather than guaranteed?

 

[Jae]

Spoiler

behold the glorious beauty that is Lyndis

 

[AustarusIV]

Lyndis is awesome. Hell, FE7 in general is awesome.

I'd play the **** out of Lyn if she were ever playable in a Super Smash Bros. game.

 

[FalKoopa]

Spoiler

behold the glorious beauty that is Lyndis

It's so beautiful.

Where is this scan from?

 

[Jae]

Lyn was like my most wanted Smash playable for so long, but it seems to be only a pipe dream at this point. </3

@ FalKoopa

Some friendly fellow did various scans of a FE 25th Anniversary artbook!

http://kingddd17.tumblr.com/post/116419807843/scanned-the-fe-staff-book-http-imgur-com-a-plk2d

 

[redfeatherraven]

Lyndis is awesome. Hell, FE7 in general is awesome.

I'd play the **** out of Lyn if she were ever playable in a Super Smash Bros. game.

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Something something Project M?

 

[FalKoopa]

Spoiler

I'm already swooning over it.

 

[AustarusIV]

Something something Project M?

My heart wouldn’t be able to contain the hype, as I would very likely die from overexposure.


No, stahp

stahp please,

I’m too young to die

I STILL NEED THE TASTE OF HUMAN BLOOD ON MY TALONS GODDAMN IT WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS ;~;

 

[redfeatherraven]

I STILL NEED THE TASTE OF HUMAN BLOOD ON MY TALONS GODDAMN IT WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS ;~;

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Because I double as a defibrillator in a pinch?

...don't test that theory please.

 

[AustarusIV]

Because I double as a defibrillator in a pinch?

...don't test that theory please.

It prolly wouldn't make much of a difference.

I'd probably blink in and out of existence like a common video game enemy before you even had a chance to do anything.

But that's perfectly okay. Just remember to always look on the bright side of life.

 

[Drakonis]

But when you can get it, it opens up SUCH EARLY KILLS. Probably our earliest consistent kill set-up in most cases, other than like, Arcfire -> Uair on lowish ceilings. Use iiiiiiiit. Trumping is so good.

Sorry, mister Raziek teach sir, but you gotta go back a few steps.

I saw the video and still have no idea what exactly you mean with "Trumping". I mean, I got that I should be aggressive against off-stage foes to limit their options and that bairs (especially of the levin kind) from a ledge against a recovering enemy are devastatingly good, but it doesn't explain the expression at all. Is it just some of that unnecessary "Pro" lingo they use to make conversations half a second shorter and to confuse the heck out of noobies/people that have better stuff to do than trying to learn the vocabulary of a subculture that, frankly, names too many very specific things in confusing ways?

...

Hey!

Sorry if that got a bit ranty.
What I really want to get across here: I don't really mind anybody using the lingo (it's what subcultures naturally do), but I'd appreciate if you explained it along the way, especially when you are in teach-mode.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I still wonder what's taking the PM team so long to reveal those leaked characters.

 

[Wintropy]

@ Nah

I think you should talk to @The Soulless One

:3

 

[Nah]

@ Nah

I think you should talk to @The Soulless One

:3

Oh, now I think I see why you wanted me to....

 

[Wintropy]

Oh, now I think I see why you wanted me to....

Yeah I also wanted an excuse to invite a new Robin player in here.

We love new faces in our roster~ :3

 

[FalKoopa]

Soulless One's title took on a whole new meaning.

 

[LIQUID12A]

He'll love this user more if they switch to a Nah avatar though.

Soulless people love Nah avatars.

 

[Wintropy]

Another poem.

It's actually the second part of the poem I shared yesterday. Will add onto it in future. Feedback is appreciated.

NSFW warning!

Spoiler: Part 2

In my hope for the future,

I forgot how to understand -

The sympathies.

I tore apart and murdered,

Hated and begrudged;

In short,

I was a fool.

The collective congregation

That knew not that they knew not -

I taught them well,

And they

In turn

Nailed me to this ****ing tree.

The temple that drifted above,

Touched the heavens

And fell again -

Down.

Go down.

I will go down.

I will go down on you.

The pillar

That touched the temple's soul,

I dreamt of it

And wept.

Now the temple falls,

The tower goes down -

The heavens have cried,

Havoc!

And I watched and fasted,

Watched and prayed,

As I beheld the maddened crowd -

The madman's prophet,

Sepulchre of the damned

And the uncrowned,

And I watched them

Fed to the lions;

Greasy and ashamed,

They died on their knees.

And what hope can there be for us?

We, the unbegotten,

The misbegotten -

The fool and the damned.

They sneer at us,

They call us witch and heathen -

Heaven does not castrate the prophet,

Only the one who dares move their tongue.

I could take a life.

And yet

I will not.

Must not.

Ought not.

Cannot.

I know what I shall do.

To climb the stairs to the Father,

Claim my just form,

Of what I could yet be;

I will try again.

I will never yield.

I will have my hope.

 

[FalKoopa]

Another poem.

It's actually the second part of the poem I shared yesterday. Will add onto it in future. Feedback is appreciated.

NSFW warning!

Spoiler: Part 2

In my hope for the future,

I forgot how to understand -

The sympathies.

I tore apart and murdered,

Hated and begrudged;

In short,

I was a fool.

The collective congregation

That knew not that they knew not -

I taught them well,

And they

In turn

Nailed me to this ****ing tree.

The temple that drifted above,

Touched the heavens

And fell again -

Down.

Go down.

I will go down.

I will go down on you.

The pillar

That touched the temple's soul,

I dreamt of it

And wept.

Now the temple falls,

The tower goes down -

The heavens have cried,

Havoc!

And I watched and fasted,

Watched and prayed,

As I beheld the maddened crowd -

The madman's prophet,

Sepulchre of the damned

And the uncrowned,

And I watched them

Fed to the lions;

Greasy and ashamed,

They died on their knees.

And what hope can there be for us?

We, the unbegotten,

The misbegotten -

The fool and the damned.

They sneer at us,

They call us witch and heathen -

Heaven does not castrate the prophet,

Only the one who dares move their tongue.

I could take a life.

And yet

I will not.

Must not.

Ought not.

Cannot.

I know what I shall do.

To climb the stairs to the Father,

Claim my just form,

Of what I could yet be;

I will try again.

I will never yield.

I will have my hope.

I'm absolutely terrible at understanding symbolism... but this reminded me of the Roman Empire persecuting Christians, and then the fall of the Empire for some reason.

 

[Wintropy]

I'm absolutely terrible at understanding symbolism... but this reminded me of the Roman Empire persecuting Christians, and then the fall of the Empire for some reason.

That's definitely the image I was going for, albeit it is - as you say - a symbol for something else.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, now I think I see why you wanted me to....

Question:

1. Are you Nah IRL?

Press 1 if yes or 2 if no.

If yes please send me pictures of yourself so I can compare your appearance to the drawn form of

If no then you can go ahead and GTFO because no one is allowed to share the name of Her Majesty DAMMIT.

I'm kidding, welcome to the Robin boards.~

 

[Troykv]

Lyn was like my most wanted Smash playable for so long, but it seems to be only a pipe dream at this point. </3

@ FalKoopa

Some friendly fellow did various scans of a FE 25th Anniversary artbook!

http://kingddd17.tumblr.com/post/116419807843/scanned-the-fe-staff-book-http-imgur-com-a-plk2d

Any FE Lord other that Roy is a pipe dream?

PD: I don't want post-Awakening MCs, and we already have all the Awakening MCs.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Anyone else think they might make Galeforce a % activation skill rather than guaranteed?

I don't see why they wouldn't completely redesign or scrap skills for new ones, especially those that could be considered game breaking like galeforce.

 

[Raziek]

Sorry, mister Raziek teach sir, but you gotta go back a few steps.

I saw the video and still have no idea what exactly you mean with "Trumping". I mean, I got that I should be aggressive against off-stage foes to limit their options and that bairs (especially of the levin kind) from a ledge against a recovering enemy are devastatingly good, but it doesn't explain the expression at all. Is it just some of that unnecessary "Pro" lingo they use to make conversations half a second shorter and to confuse the heck out of noobies/people that have better stuff to do than trying to learn the vocabulary of a subculture that, frankly, names too many very specific things in confusing ways?

...

Hey!

Sorry if that got a bit ranty.
What I really want to get across here: I don't really mind anybody using the lingo (it's what subcultures naturally do), but I'd appreciate if you explained it along the way, especially when you are in teach-mode.

Sorry, sometimes I forget that people don't always know the lingo.

Trumping refers to ledge-trumping or ledge-ejecting, as I've also seen it called.

When you grab the ledge while your opponent is on it, they get popped off backwards. There are two important things to note here.

1) they do not get invincibility frames the next time they grab the ledge, unless you hit them first or they land on a platform.

2) The trump animation itself lasts a fair amount of time before the opponent can act. Some characters (Robin included) can hit the opponent with an aerial before they can act. Some characters are harder to hit than others since the height and distance they pop out from the ledge is unique to each character.

Does that clear things up? It's grabbing the ledge SECOND in order to force them off without invincibility, hitting and killing them while they are vulnerable.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Am I the only one who misses the old ledge mechanics?
I've asked this a lot, want to hear what you guys think

 

[Raziek]

Am I the only one who misses the old ledge mechanics?
I've asked this a lot, want to hear what you guys think

I don't miss them even a little bit. Ledge play is so much more dynamic and interesting now.

 

[Drakonis]

Sorry, sometimes I forget that people don't always know the lingo.

Trumping refers to ledge-trumping or ledge-ejecting, as I've also seen it called.

When you grab the ledge while your opponent is on it, they get popped off backwards. There are two important things to note here.

1) they do not get invincibility frames the next time they grab the ledge, unless you hit them first or they land on a platform.

2) The trump animation itself lasts a fair amount of time before the opponent can act. Some characters (Robin included) can hit the opponent with an aerial before they can act. Some characters are harder to hit than others since the height and distance they pop out from the ledge is unique to each character.

Does that clear things up? It's grabbing the ledge SECOND in order to force them off without invincibility, hitting and killing them while they are vulnerable.

Thanks for clarifying! As expected, I knew the mechanic but didn't know that was it's name. Or how to properly take advantage of it.

Am I the only one who misses the old ledge mechanics?
I've asked this a lot, want to hear what you guys think

Nope, I like the new mechanics, but I also don't claim to play well enough that it makes a big difference.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Spoiler

Yes, I just wanted a excuse to post this. This comic also reminds of Yune a lot

Chrom confirmed Micaiah clone.

 

[Wintropy]

I don't miss them even a little bit. Ledge play is so much more dynamic and interesting now.

This.

Ledgehogging is ****ing awful.

 

[Baskerville]

Am I the only one who misses the old ledge mechanics?
I've asked this a lot, want to hear what you guys think

Am a fan of this game's ledge mechanics honestly, but I'd like it if someone like can do ledge trump -> B-Air ...

 

[Zantetsugun]

Am I the only one who misses the old ledge mechanics?
I've asked this a lot, want to hear what you guys think

I'm pretty happy with the new ledge mechanics. I think it helps give Smash 4 a lot of distinction from previous Smash games.

 

[Moydow]

With the old ledge mechanics, you just had to grab the ledge at the right time, and watch your opponent fall to their death.
With the new ledges, you have to actually work to keep them away from the ledges, or you risk getting trumped and putting yourself in danger.
So I prefer the new ledge mechanics.

 

[FalKoopa]

Am I the only one who misses the old ledge mechanics?
I've asked this a lot, want to hear what you guys think

The new ledge mechanics honestly made the edge game much better, imo. Edge hogging was so boring in comparison.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Am a fan of this game's ledge mechanics honestly, but I'd like it if someone like can do ledge trump -> B-Air ...

lol Charizard BAir
Someone in their right mind decided to give that 48 frames of endlag iirc smh

 

[Baskerville]

lol Charizard BAir
Someone in their right mind decided to give that 48 frames of endlag iirc smh

And an eternity of landing lag. ;_;

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

And an eternity of landing lag. ;_;

yee that's what I meant
sooooo much landing lag @_@

 

[False Sense]

ALRIGHT TEACHING TIME.

Teacher's Note: This is in no way intended to shame or humiliate @The_Cardinal . Everybody gets bodied sometimes. This is to demonstrate some edge-guarding techniques and point out mistakes to help everyone improve.

Right off the bat, let me point out that you gave up positioning immediately. Not always completely horrible, but definitely gave me advantage for taking center stage.

Next thing: Take note of 0:25. At this point, my 'advantage time' is over, since I missed the Bair. Because I had already used my double-jump, I would likely have to land near you (risking a grab) or get Uaired by you. I chose to Elwind here because I had platform cover IMMEDIATELY overhead in the event that I missed. Fortunately, I didn't, and it got me out of the situation with some extra free damage.

0:50 - STRAP IN KIDS, LET ME SHOW YOU HOW TO CONVERT A STOCK ON AN EDGEGUARD.

B-throw is the set-up. Starting %: 52
Elthunder does 1 of 3 things here: Forces out an airdodge, forces a double jump, or hits them, putting them in a worse position.
DOUBLE JUMP GETS USED.
I run off-stage, then jump back on. This prompted Cardinal to float backwards to avoid me. He is now low enough that he no longer has a high/low mix-up because his DJ is gone.
Nair covers most possible timings of Elwind here. I catch him with the back hit, but it's not enough to stage spike.
Elwind. Puts him in a sort of ok position, so I regrab the ledge and do it again to force him back offstage (still no jump), allowing me to position myself for a better edgeguard. He now has literally no choice other than to go to the ledge.
Trump -> Bair. Kills at 106!!!!

Alright, so time to ramble a little bit about Trump -> Bair.

First and foremost, trumpBair does not work on every character. Lots of characters pop out at weird positions where you can't quite catch them with it. The two characters I get the most mileage out of this on is Lucario and Robin. I'm sure there are others, those are just the two I play most frequently.

Secondly, this will not always work. I'm 99% sure a buffered ledge-roll will just get people out of this. That said, that doesn't mean it's bad. It's still a very powerful mix-up, especially if the opponent is not doing so.

But when you can get it, it opens up SUCH EARLY KILLS. Probably our earliest consistent kill set-up in most cases, other than like, Arcfire -> Uair on lowish ceilings. Use iiiiiiiit. Trumping is so good.

Pointing out 1:24 just because it was hilarious.

1:33 - Time to convert another super-low % stock.

Arcfire on the ledge. Standard trap. SH Fair covers most options, allows me to turn around for the grab.
Jump out backwards, threatening Bair. Airdodge successfully baited out.
Jump back onstage to regain stronger positioning. In this case, Cardinal tried to avoid possible Elwind trap by jumping onto the stage. F-Smash the airdodge lag.
1:42, he tries to swat me away from going in for the Nair/Elwind, but I waited.
Unfortunately he used his double-jump, so all aboard the Nairplane.

1:55 - FH Fair -> Falling Nair is pretty cool.

Another trumpBair closes out the final stock.

In general, I also want people to pay attention to how I played reactively in this particular game. Most of the openings I got were from waiting to see what Cardinal did, and punishing accordingly.

The level of thought you put into nearly every move of yours still astounds me...