Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Troykv]

Fire Emblem amie is incredibly dehumanizing and immoral, but of course most of you weebs would disagree, as it would finally allow you to "touch you in game WAIFU!" What the **** has Fire Emblem become?

Waifu Emblem 2.0 (Now with "My Castle" and Amie)

Edit: The series now will be always be like that? My really problem with this game is the rubbing thing... is... creepy and makes characters only "dolls" for some people (I think that is a overreaction... but isn't a dumb idea... Only... a overreaction)... I know that is optional... But the game's story suppose to be "serious" (well, don't super dark and edgy, that sucks too xD) xD

I hope that the Amie thing is only a experiment

 

[Moydow]

I don't care much for the face touching or whatever either way, but if it means more people buy the game, and ensures we get more FE games in future, I ain't complaining.

 

[Deleted member]

I watched the translation.
It's good to know what they were talking about at least and I understand more.

I also find it slightly funny how you can't get EXP for battling another unit's My Castle in the Nohr version. They are really hyping the difficulty of Nohr... let's hope it doesn't disappoint.

 

[Zantetsugun]

I'm entertained thoroughly by the "weeaboo" (ugh that word kills me inside), stuff in the new FEs and I've been playing FE since Rekka no Ken.

Is someone going to sue me and call me a "not real" FE fan for that?

Why does "weeaboo" get bashed to pieces again, even?

Goodness...

"Bcuz it's not teh "hardcore" Fier Emblem!1!!"

Honestly though I'm getting sick of this crap of how "otaku" and "weeaboo" elements are ruining the FE games, or are just the worst possible things in existence in general. I mean god forbid a game made in JAPAN takes cues from Japanese pop culture like anime. Is it pandering? Sure. Is the face-touching a little over the top? Probably. Will it sell more games and make Fire Emblem if a more successful game at perhaps the cost of a little dignity? You bet your sweet bippy it will! So let's just all agree that FE-amie is just an optional mechanic to appeal to a larger demographic that's very polarizing, and leave it at that.

Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.

 

[Wintropy]

Spoiler: Emissions

drip

drip

well now

this is a new experience

the candlelit dinner on the mantlepiece

the cold beef and half-baked carrots

that mash and masticate in my febrile jaws

i wish i could see you again

and tell you how awful this all tastes

i am fed with a plastic tube

my lungs are full of fluid

or so i am told

i cannot walk without hurting myself

my bones have turned to dust

in my absence of thought

i turned to a tiny faux-glass statuette

and thought about things a while

in the waiting room a mother smiles

new blood begets itself

carries itself home

while a child dies for lack of vagrant attention

and i am here in this tiny room

willing my eyes out of entropy

there are exactly

ten thousand two hundred and eighty six

dots on the ceiling

i have counted them all

in my errant fasting

i have taken to mathematics

to calculate the odds of a god child finding me

i wonder if serendipity makes house calls

the taste of the nurse's lips invites me

i want to press my tongue against them

and remind the world

i am still human

i am still flesh

the routine echoes of the maternity ward

remind me of a simple truth

life finds a way

even in the furthest dreams

there is a tether

until the drainage fades

and the limp half-body of newborn blood is taken out

nevertheless of course

life finds a way

i inhale

and value nothing more than the murmur of oxygen

in this scorched earth of a mortal form

the tiny mother comforts me in her altar at the chair next to me

and i crane my neck

very cautiously

so as not to alert the matron

and watch her gaze rise to meet mine

i smile

i reach out to hold its hand

the echoes fade away

i am free

drip

drip

 

[Kenith]

I just find it ironic that someone could call "Fire-Emblem Aime" "immoral and dehumanizing" when they're not actual people.

Claiming these fictional characters have some sort of right not to be touched like real people is just as bad as claiming you're married to one of them.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Well, i just remembered that face touching is likely only limited to Hoshido, and Nohr probably won't have it, so I'd be more inclined to just play that.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

I just find it ironic that someone could call "Fire-Emblem Aime" "immoral and dehumanizing" when they're not actual people.

Claiming these fictional characters have some sort of right not to be touched like real people is just as bad as claiming you're married to one of them.

It's odd because it has subtle hints of sexual slavery and possession. I mean, with Fire Emblem Amie, you're practically treating humans as pets, and that is wrong in my opinion. And yes, I understand that cultural differences do exist, but that doesn't make it right. Cultures do have flaws, and the obsession with virtual partners in Japan is one aspect of Modern Japanese culture that's is absolutely disgusting. But as I said, I expect none of you to agree with me, because having virtual wives is apparently something that you people enjoy.

 

[Wintropy]

Again, speak for yourself.

I would love to be treated as a pet.

 

[Kenith]

Well, i just remembered that face touching is likely only limited to Hoshido, and Nohr probably won't have it, so I'd be more inclined to just play that.

Or you could just not use that feature?

It's odd because it has subtle hints of sexual slavery and possession. I mean, with Fire Emblem Amie, you're practically treating humans as pets, and that is wrong in my opinion. And yes, I understand that cultural differences do exist, but that doesn't make it right. Cultures do have flaws, and the obsession with virtual partners in Japan is one aspect of Modern Japanese culture that's is absolutely disgusting. But as I said, I expect none of you to agree with me, because having virtual wives is apparently something that you people enjoy.

I'm trying to find implications of sexual slavery and I just can't. That is an overreaction. Yes, I agree that waifu/otaku subculture is strange, but...this? Is relatively harmless compared to the creepy things people do.
If it were as bad as you say it wouldn't be in Nintendo game.

EDIT: Also, some people like being treated like pets apparently.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Let's just agree to disagree. Most of you people in this forum only know Fire Emblem because of Awakening, and probably haven't played or explored the rest of the series' history. And trust me when I say this, but the fanbase of Fire Emblem has gone from talking about characters, lore, and strategy to which waifu they would like to have sex with in their dreams. So I guess I don't hate Awakening or IF, I just dislike the fanbase that Awakening spawned.

 

[Hong]

Well, i just remembered that face touching is likely only limited to Hoshido, and Nohr probably won't have it, so I'd be more inclined to just play that.

But they've already revealed it happening with Nohr characters. Besides; they went out of their way to mention what is and isn't in the Nohr version of My Castle. I'm pretty sure they would mention if face touching is out. Given that Nohr is the more traditional European fantasy country... where very open-handed intimacy (hand holding, kisses on the forehead, face stroking) are present, it's far from being out of place.

Just accept it. It's in your game, no matter which version you choose. Whether or not it's consequential, that much is unsaid. But it's there.

because having virtual wives is apparently something that you people enjoy.

You are taking this far, far, far too seriously. Far more seriously than the people who are letting their virtual characters marry other virtual characters. It's not a "virtual wife" for you. It's a "virtual wife" or husband for Kamui. This... isn't new. Gosh I enjoyed getting married in Harvest Moon as a kid, and I've not once had any care or regard for the NPC outside of the game and trying to satisfy the conditions of the completionist.

Relax. Go grab some water. Sit on a porch or something outside. Breath in the air. Slow down.

 

[Raziek]

Let's just agree to disagree. Most of you people in this forum only know Fire Emblem because of Awakening, and probably haven't played or explored the rest of the series' history. And trust me when I say this, but the fanbase of Fire Emblem has gone from talking about characters, lore, and strategy to which waifu they would like to have sex with in their dreams. So I guess I don't hate Awakening or IF, I just dislike the fanbase that Awakening spawned.

Lol get over yourself.

I've been playing this series since FE7 launched in North America, and I will PROUDLY and contently say that I am completely okay with all the 'waifu Emblem' features.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[ARGHETH]

Let's just agree to disagree. Most of you people in this forum only know Fire Emblem because of Awakening, and probably haven't played or explored the rest of the series' history. And trust me when I say this, but the fanbase of Fire Emblem has gone from talking about characters, lore, and strategy to which waifu they would like to have sex with in their dreams. So I guess I don't hate Awakening or IF, I just dislike the fanbase that Awakening spawned.

...most of the people here came in through Awakening? News to me. And how does that mean that we don't know the series' history?

 

[Zantetsugun]

Let's just agree to disagree. Most of you people in this forum only know Fire Emblem because of Awakening, and probably haven't played or explored the rest of the series' history. And trust me when I say this, but the fanbase of Fire Emblem has gone from talking about characters, lore, and strategy to which waifu they would like to have sex with in their dreams. So I guess I don't hate Awakening or IF, I just dislike the fanbase that Awakening spawned.

The depths of your ignorance are kind of astounding. I'm pretty sure many people here have played more than Awakening. You wanna know something else? I bet for some people it was Awakening that INSPIRED THEM TO DO THAT!

Not to mention we talk PLENTY about characters, lore, and strategy. At this point, I think you're just trying to troll.

 

[Moydow]

Can we all just stop for a moment and focus on the really important news of the day?

...

@ Raziek 's GBA sprite avatar is back!!!!!111!!

 

[ARGHETH]

It's odd because it has subtle hints of sexual slavery and possession. I mean, with Fire Emblem Amie, you're practically treating humans as pets, and that is wrong in my opinion.

This is literally a minigame inside one relatively small part of the game that's about touching faces. Why does that equal sexual slavery and why do you think it's intended as such?

But as I said, I expect none of you to agree with me, because having virtual wives is apparently something that you people enjoy.

Get off your high horse. What is wrong with liking a character enough to make them an in-game wife? Seriously, it's harmless and people generally don't have it cloud over the rest of the game, especially around here.

@ Raziek 's GBA sprite avatar is back!!!!!111!!

You know, somehow I completely missed this.

 

[False Sense]

Let's just agree to disagree. Most of you people in this forum only know Fire Emblem because of Awakening, and probably haven't played or explored the rest of the series' history.

This is false. A significant portion of the people here (myself included) have played several Fire Emblem games before and after Awakening came along.

It's possible for people to appreciate both the new and old in the Fire Emblem series, you know.

 

[Deleted member]

Awakening was my first Fire Emblem game but that doesn't mean I'm close minded to the older Fire Emblem games and doesn't mean I'm not a 'true' FE fan. I'm quite interested in the older ones and want to play them eventually.

But anyway, Amie is just a feature in the game. It's not like it's taking over the whole entire game.
And people are allowed to have opinions but it's better to express them in a better way.

 

[Tacticulbacon]

It's odd because it has subtle hints of sexual slavery and possession. I mean, with Fire Emblem Amie, you're practically treating humans as pets, and that is wrong in my opinion. And yes, I understand that cultural differences do exist, but that doesn't make it right. Cultures do have flaws, and the obsession with virtual partners in Japan is one aspect of Modern Japanese culture that's is absolutely disgusting. But as I said, I expect none of you to agree with me, because having virtual wives is apparently something that you people enjoy.

You sound worse than the femnazis on tumblr.

I thought it was creepy and weird when I first saw it. Then I got over it. In the end, it's just a game, and while I hate constantly saying "it's optional" as much as the next guy, the mechanic really doesn't have any ill intentions and it doesn't retract from the core game. Just because you find it wrong doesn't mean IS has to go back to the cutting boards and redo everything just because they offended someone.

And plus, you get to rub Harold's glorious perfectly chiseled face. What's there to hate?

 

[Chapter Serf]

So unless there's another @ Chapter Serf at level 4 that I'm not aware of, I just went several rounds with him in Splatoon.

Keep shootin, homie.

Well, I saw you playing and I jumped in.

 

[Raziek]

Can we all just stop for a moment and focus on the really important news of the day?

...

@ Raziek 's GBA sprite avatar is back!!!!!111!!

You know, somehow I completely missed this.

To be honest, I'm somewhat floored everyone feels so strongly about my avatar, haha.

I changed it back because @ Aunt Jemima posted on my profile asking me to, and now everyone is throwing a party over it coming back?

Do you guys like it that much, or are you just so used to that being my identity, or what? >.>

I am both flattered and confused, especially since I made said avatar myself.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Something I noticed in the "My Castle" translation was the fact that after defeating another player you can recruit a member of his team. Does this mean you could potentially recruit characters from the other storyline, or will they be locked based on which version you're playing? We saw that you can definitely interact and fight with any player regardless of version, so I'm curious how that will work out. I'm guessing there will be some form of restriction though, otherwise you could get all the characters in one version with enough grinding. Perhaps you can only recruit them for your town, not for battle.

Also, could you potentially recruit multiples of the same character? Could I potentially form an army of Camillas/Jokers/Harolds/etc to do my bidding? I'm guessing not, but it would be kind of cool to see an army of wyvern riders going ham on my enemies.

I want an army of Jokers.

Do I even need to say it?

When the going gets going, the tough get tough?

I just find it ironic that someone could call "Fire-Emblem Aime" "immoral and dehumanizing" when they're not actual people.

Claiming these fictional characters have some sort of right not to be touched like real people is just as bad as claiming you're married to one of them.

I honestly find the people who get possessive over a character or ship to the point of wishing death on other characters creepier than face petting. And considering it just seems JUST limited to the face, it's tame compared to the direction it could have gone.

As for the slavery stuff, it's pretty safe to assume the ones getting petted consented to it.

...most of the people here came in through Awakening? News to me. And how does that mean that we don't know the series' history?

I came in through Awakening, but I still appreciate the rest of the series, want to play more of it eventually (give us Sacred Stones on VC already! And rerelease the Tellius games!), and I certainly wasn't drawn in by the waifu/husbando stuff.

But I guess since I was introduced via Awakening, I'm not a "real" fan.

No, really though, Nintendo, please make the older games easier to get. I want to play more FE, but my wallet won't let me. I'm going to revisit and finish FE7 eventually... I need to start all over though because of a very long story.

 

[False Sense]

To be honest, I'm somewhat floored everyone feels so strongly about my avatar, haha.

I changed it back because @ Aunt Jemima posted on my profile asking me too, and now everyone is throwing a party over it coming back?

Do you guys like it that much, or are you just so used to that being my identity, or what? >.>

I am both flattered and confused, especially since I made said avatar myself.

It's a pretty cool avatar.

Kind of a classic at this point, I'd imagine.

 

[Chapter Serf]

To be honest, I'm somewhat floored everyone feels so strongly about my avatar, haha.

I changed it back because @ Aunt Jemima posted on my profile asking me too, and now everyone is throwing a party over it coming back?

Do you guys like it that much, or are you just so used to that being my identity, or what? >.>

I am both flattered and confused, especially since I made said avatar myself.

When you have the same avatar for a really, really long time, people tend to attach it to you. Whether they like the avatar in question or not is entirely beside the point: they like the avatar attached to you. When you change that, they don't like it. They're used to you with that avatar. It doesn't look right to them.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

I have restored peace in the Robin social.

 

[LIQUID12A]

To be honest, I'm somewhat floored everyone feels so strongly about my avatar, haha.

I changed it back because @ Aunt Jemima posted on my profile asking me to, and now everyone is throwing a party over it coming back?

Do you guys like it that much, or are you just so used to that being my identity, or what? >.>

I am both flattered and confused, especially since I made said avatar myself.

People do grow used to an avatar if they see it long enough on someone.

Which is why some of us go into existential crises every time @ False Sense changes his.

 

[Deleted member]

That's why I change my avatar a lot, just to prevent people from associating me with just one avatar.
But I totally see what yall mean.

 

[Kenith]

I honestly find the people who get possessive over a character or ship to the point of wishing death on other characters creepier than face petting. And considering it just seems JUST limited to the face, it's tame compared to the direction it could have gone.
As for the slavery stuff, it's pretty safe to assume the ones getting petted consented to it.

Of course. It's not like they let you drag your units into an underground dungeon where you lash them with a whip or something. All you're doing is touching their faces and they seem pretty damn happy about it.

As for the other comment...yeah, the only reason I haven't played other FE games is because they're hard to get. Just because I only have played Awakening doesn't mean I only care about 'waifu' culture, because I don't even find my favorite character attractive (Lucina).
Not to mention I got Advance Wars because I liked Fire Emblem.

 

[Chapter Serf]

In other news, I've pulled the people who I was ignoring from the R.S.T off my ignore list.

And I've put someone else on in their place.

Edit:
Edit 2: @RadiantTactician and anyone else who plays FFXIV: This contains scenes from the 2.55 quests. You have been warned. If you aren't watching however, and just listening, it'll be fine.

GET HYPE!

 

[Hong]

If people could ignore mods I would be talking to myself all the time, ha ha.

 

[Chapter Serf]

You are ignoring content by this member.

What?

Spoiler

 

[Kenith]

Why would someone Ignore me?

 

[redfeatherraven]

Y'all keep posting and I keep adding.

Feeding the beast here, man. Feeding the beast.

The only two comments I have on FE-amie is that a pretty amazing Harold gif came of it, and if it gives me any tactical advantage I will use it, no questions asked, end of story. I didn't pair up waifus and husbandos in Awakening, I bred an army of goddamn Galeforce demons, and I ain't ashamed of it.

That is all. Now to more important matters.

Well, I saw you playing and I jumped in.

Aha, that explains it. Honestly I wondered if that was the case, I've never requested matches with friends before so I wasn't sure how it worked.

Should do that again sometime, it was fun.

When you have the same avatar for a really, really long time, people tend to attach it to you. Whether they like the avatar in question or not is entirely beside the point: they like the avatar attached to you. When you change that, they don't like it. They're used to you with that avatar. It doesn't look right to them.

See also: Hylian. Man starts riots if he swaps out his.

Occasionally I've wondered if my completely changing my avatar would cause any stir, but I have too much fun partially changing it to find out.

I have restored peace in the Robin social.

I'm quite sorry it was necessary to do so, but thank you all the same.

In other news, I've pulled the people who I was ignoring from the R.S.T off my ignore list.

And I've put someone else on in their place.

Good man.

I've quoted you three times here. Huh.

If people could ignore mods I would be talking to myself all the time, ha ha.

Psssh. I don't buy that for a second.

 

[False Sense]

Which is why some of us go into existential crises every time @ False Sense changes his.

 

[Chapter Serf]

Because I was a chump and forgot:

Spoiler

Children of the land do you hear?
Echoes of truths that once rang clear
Two souls intertwined
One true love they did find
Bringing land and heavens near
But flames that burn full bright, soon fell dark
Memories dimmed by shadowed hearts
In the waxing gloom did wane the lover's moon
Watching as their worlds drift apart

One soul's cry
A passion dwelling within
Sacrifice, a final plea to her kin
Yet this bond of hope, by treachery was broke
Scattering her words to the wind...

Swelling over long,
seas of blood, are a song
And death an afterthought
To those who fight for naught
A throne, lying empty
A reign, incomplete
Alone, for eternity
A pain, without cease

Children of the land, answer this:
Why must you turn to empty bliss?
Tell me why break trust, why turn the past to dust?
Seeking solace in the abyss
Tell me why create, a circle none can break?
Why must you let go, the life you were bestowed?
This I fear I'll never know...
Never know...

 

[LIQUID12A]

Why would someone Ignore me?

There's sometimes that one person who doesn't like to see you.

Sad but true.

I don't, honestly. Hell, did you go into a crisis when I changed from this avatar to my Sylux commission?

I'm just content re-sizing those images that you want to use as avatars for you.

 

[Chapter Serf]

Occasionally I've wondered if my completely changing my avatar would cause any stir, but I have too much fun partially changing it to find out.

If that Pikachu wasn't there, this is what would happen:

 

[Kenith]

I like to use characters only one or two people in the entire forum recognize.
Makes me stand out, I get to give special attention to obscure characters.
Whereas I could just use a Lucina or Lucario avatar.

 

[redfeatherraven]

Speaking of things we forgot.

@ Wintropy , your poem was marvelous. I feel like it got a little lost in the shuffle above, and I know I liked the post, but I felt it important to voice it too.

If that Pikachu wasn't there, this is what would happen:

Thanks homie, I actually appreciate that highly.

I like to use characters only one or two people in the entire forum recognize.
Makes me stand out, I get to give special attention to obscure characters.
Whereas I could just use a Lucina or Lucario avatar.

Fair strategem, as we've discussed before. I think you've got pretty solid taste in what you cycle through.