Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Kenith]

I reufse to recognize Roy as an all star

Roy is the exception, not the rule.

 

[LIQUID12A]

In other news, one reason I love being a mod: I made a typo in my post, so I fixed it. But...people quoted it. So I was able to edit those posts to fix my typo. :D


...It was important to me, okay?

>mundane utility

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Roy is the exception, not the rule.

it was meant as a joke, I just like taking a jab against him every time I can. That being said, I'd probably say there's still worse choices than Roy, albeit not many

 

[Kenith]

it was meant as a joke, I just like taking a jab against him every time I can. That being said, I'd probably say there's still worse choices than Roy, albeit not many

As a person who actually liked playing Roy as he was Marth but not a pansy and had FIRE, no, he is among the worst choices. In fact, I daresay he's the only choice that was actually bad all-around.
Except maybe Dark Pit, but that's a whole other story.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

As a person who actually liked playing Roy as he was Marth but not a pansy and had FIRE, no, he is among the worst choices. In fact, I daresay he's the only choice that was actually bad all-around.
Except maybe Dark Pit, but that's a whole other story.

I'd say 3 can be considered worse
Dark Pit for sure, Pichu as a very likely 2nd and maybe Dr Mario as a 3rd (it doesn't really matter if he represents his own "series", for that matter we should have an incarnation of Mario from every spinoff of the series playable, Golfist Mario, Tennist Mario, Kart Mario, Time Traveler Mario, etc. It's an altogether bizarre and fairly dumb addition. Roy only really competes with him due to his status as a character promoting an unreleased games, which is stupid)

 

[Kenith]

I'd say 3 can be considered worse
Pichu as a very likely 2nd

Pichu

Pichu

Them's fightin' words.

 

[Mr. Johan]

Roy's evidently not an exception if Smash 4 FE speculation consisted primarily of Chrom vs. Roy up until June 2014.

Hell, the first few pages of this very thread was that very debate.

 

[Kenith]

Also, it's worth noting, apparently part of the reason Dr. Mario was put in Melee was because of his theme music.
If you know that tune, you know that is all the reason you need to put Dr. Mario in the game.

 

[False Sense]

Roy's evidently not an exception if Smash 4 FE speculation consisted primarily of Chrom vs. Roy up until June 2014.

Hell, the first few pages of this very thread was that very debate.

Hindsight is 20/20, after all.

Though I never understood why people seriously thought Roy was gave an Awakening representative legitimate competition.

 

[Pazzo.]

Hindsight is 20/20, after all.

Though I never understood why people seriously thought Roy was gave an Awakening representative legitimate competition.

Before I played Awakening, I was a Lyn supporter.

Looking back at it, her chances were very low.

EDIT: Also, I've hidden a small 'easter egg' in my user information below my avatar. So proud of myself.

 

[Hong]

Before I played Awakening, I was a Lyn supporter.

Looking back at it, her chances were very low.

Well, being a supporter is all fine and well, so long as you don't convince yourself of that which isn't there, as people have with basically every character.

I'd take Isa Jo over Robin, but I always considered Robin a far more reasonable candidate, who I liked almost as much. Presently, Isa Jo is the only support thread I have made, but even as the thread creator I would never let people get carried away with it. With Lyn, if you were to ask me honestly what I thought of her as a character, I'd shrug my shoulders because hardly anyone from FE7 really left a mark on me.

But as a potential fighter? Lyn would have been awesome. Everything about the way the Swordmaster or like characters have been stylized in the GBA games screams "mixup fighter". Plus there is so much to draw from the SNES and later games as far as potential sword moves. Would have loved to have Lyn in Smash Bros. She's a sword user, sure, but has a great contrast from the existing roster.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Well, being a supporter is all fine and well, so long as you don't convince yourself of that which isn't there, as people have with basically every character.

I'd take Isa Jo over Robin, but I always considered Robin a far more reasonable candidate, who I liked almost as much. Presently, Isa Jo is the only support thread I have made, but even as the thread creator I would never let people get carried away with it. With Lyn, if you were to ask me honestly what I thought of her as a character, I'd shrug my shoulders because hardly anyone from FE7 really left a mark on me.

But as a potential fighter? Lyn would have been awesome. Everything about the way the Swordmaster or like characters have been stylized in the GBA games screams "mixup fighter". Plus there is so much to draw from the SNES and later games as far as potential sword moves. Would have loved to have Lyn in Smash Bros. She's a sword user, sure, but has a great contrast from the existing roster.

but...what about that heroic scene where Eliwood sacrifices his groin to save Ninian?

oh wait
I definitely agree Lyn could have been great as she'd definitely be a different sort of swordfighter from the rest of the cast, but her chances where never high at all considering Awakening was not only the latest FE released, but also the most popular in its history. As I said once, I don't think wielding a sword is a problem as much as how their fighting style is despicted, which is why I supported Lyn and bored the likes of Chrom as a possible new FE rep in Smash, But hey, we got Robin, which represents a completely different part of FE, so all is well unless Roy becomes DLC

 

[Hong]

but...what about that heroic scene where Eliwood sacrifices his groin to save Ninian?

oh wait
I definitely agree Lyn could have been great as she'd definitely be a different sort of swordfighter from the rest of the cast, but her chances where never high at all considering Awakening was not only the latest FE released, but also the most popular in its history. As I said once, I don't think wielding a sword is a problem as much as how their fighting style is despicted, which is why I supported Lyn and bored the likes of Chrom as a possible new FE rep in Smash, But hey, we got Robin, which represents a completely different part of FE, so all is well unless Roy becomes DLC

Yep. It's kind of cool that the why and the how behind Robin is exactly the vision we had as a community.

 

[False Sense]

Yep. It's kind of cool that the why and the how behind Robin is exactly the vision we had as a community.

Well, it's clear that Sakurai had the exact same mindset as us Robin supporters; we all thought that Chron didn't offer much as a potential character or Fire Emblem representative, while Robin was a just as viable candidate who could be made totally unique and truly capture the essence of Fire Emblem. Simply put, it was always the ideal choice.

Though I guess most people assumed he would go with the less interesting and less unique character instead, and never even entertained the possibility of Robin.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Here's to hoping that Robin gets an Assist Me. It would be glorious.

 

[Drakonis]

The final final battle event on difficult is still being rough to me.
But I've gotten close a couple of times with Robin and done particularly well with Little Mac.

Soon.

 

[Kenith]

The final final battle event on difficult is still being rough to me.
But I've gotten close a couple of times with Robin and done particularly well with Little Mac.

Soon.

You should give the 'Dorf a go.
Don't be fooled by his feeble running animation, mate: Ganon's legs have some deadly kick.

 

[Drakonis]

You should give the 'Dorf a go.
Don't be fooled by his feeble running animation, mate: Ganon's legs have some deadly kick.

Oh, I know and love the power of the Kind of Darkness.
But he just didn't perfom as well as I expected him to in this situation, despite being my go-to problem solver for single player content.

 

[LIQUID12A]

So how about that lack of an announcement for SMTxFE?

Totally legit, right?

 

[Kenith]

Oh, I know and love the power of the Kind of Darkness.
But he just didn't perfom as well as I expected him to in this situation, despite being my go-to problem solver for single player content.

Really? I guess it's just luck then. When I swap to Ganondorf it takes very few tries afterwards.
CPU's don't understand what super-armor is.

Obligated to point out once again I beat the FINAL Final Battle with Wiimote controls and no custom moves.
Just because I feel like it.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Oh, I know and love the power of the Kind of Darkness.

Because of course, the King Of Darkness is oh so very kind.

 

[Célja]

So there's a new conquest out that involves all the newcomers being split up into three different teams.

We know what we must do

 

[Deleted member]

In before people comment about me being pranked.

As a person who actually liked playing Roy as he was Marth but not a pansy and had FIRE, no, he is among the worst choices. In fact, I daresay he's the only choice that was actually bad all-around.
Except maybe Dark Pit, but that's a whole other story.

No. I say that Dark Pit is worse than any Smash fighter in history. It's less of the fact that he is a clone and more of the fact that he is literally a recolor. Dark Pit started out as an alternate costume for Pit in Brawl and later became his own character and gained his own personality in KI:U. Also, the dark version of the protagonist(s) is terribly cliched, as well as another cliche of Dark Pit's personality being the stereotypical "I'm dark, and awesome, and cool, and violent."
I just get angry about Dark Pit because if you make Dark Pit a character, then why not Dark Link or Shadow Mario or Blood Falcon? Hell, Dark Pit was an alternate costume originally, so how about we make Wario Land Wario a full character or female Robin as well?
I'm sorry for going off-topic here, but I really hate Dark Pit and I don't understand why he was added, even with the Lucina rule in mind.

Roy's evidently not an exception if Smash 4 FE speculation consisted primarily of Chrom vs. Roy up until June 2014.

Hell, the first few pages of this very thread was that very debate.

The things Roy had going for him were being the fact that he is a Melee veteran (a very unpopular cut mind you) and he was greatly demanded to return as a result (especially in Japan).
His major issue was Awakening. Awakening is the game that saved the FE franchise, is the best selling FE game to date and is the most popular, and the game is also the most recent. Even with Roy's popularity, I found an Awakening character to be inevitable due to the success and importance of Awakening. Roy's hopes lied on FE getting more than three reps and it did!... but we got Lucina instead of Roy and she is a Marth clone like he was.
Personally, I don't care about Roy and I honestly don't see the appeal of him outside of him being in Melee. I was a bit upset that he didn't return in Brawl, but this game filled in that crack with Robin. Now, I just don't want to see him at all because he would be a boring choice for DLC.

Hindsight is 20/20, after all.

Though I never understood why people seriously thought Roy was gave an Awakening representative legitimate competition.

Again, Melee popularity and he was highly requested in Japan apparently. That being said, I didn't think that he would get in over an Awakening rep.

 

[Drakonis]

Aaaand beat the final final Battle with Little Mac.
Decked the plumber in the snozz.
Felt good to finally be done with the solo missions.
Time to participate in the conquest!

 

[Kenith]

In before people comment about me being pranked.
No. I say that Dark Pit is worse than any Smash fighter in history. It's less of the fact that he is a clone and more of the fact that he is literally a recolor. Dark Pit started out as an alternate costume for Pit in Brawl and later became his own character and gained his own personality in KI:U. Also, the dark version of the protagonist(s) is terribly cliched, as well as another cliche of Dark Pit's personality being the stereotypical "I'm dark, and awesome, and cool, and violent."
I just get angry about Dark Pit because if you make Dark Pit a character, then why not Dark Link or Shadow Mario or Blood Falcon? Hell, Dark Pit was an alternate costume originally, so how about we make Wario Land Wario a fully character or female Robin as well?
I'm sorry for going off-topic here, but I really hate Dark Pit and I don't understand why he was added, even with the Lucina rule in mind.

Yeah...
Sorry Frosty, but Dark Pit is not a good choice. The worst part is, the only reason he was promoted is due to a changed Final Smash (sort of makes sense) and the Electroshock Arm. Which leads me to ask: Why not just make it a custom move for Pit??

The worst part is they GOT RID OF THE BLOOD FALCON ALT. But then MADE DARK PIT HIS OWN CHARACTER.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah...
Sorry Frosty, but Dark Pit is not a good choice. The worst part is, the only reason he was promoted is due to a changed Final Smash (sort of makes sense) and the Electroshock Arm. Which leads me to ask: Why not just make it a custom move for Pit??

The worst part is they GOT RID OF THE BLOOD FALCON ALT. But then MADE DARK PIT HIS OWN CHARACTER.

Which I don't understand why that is the justification. I don't think anyone would really care if he used the Three Sacred Treasures (except for maybe really antsy Dark Pit fans). Honestly, the Electroshock Arm should have been a custom move for Pit and Pit should have Dark Pit's power.

Captain Falcon still has the Blood Falcon alt; it's his third alt costume.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I really hate Dark Pit and I don't understand why he was added, even with the Lucina rule in mind.

I thought that the Kid Icarus bias was easy to understand.

Oh well.

 

[Drakonis]

Things I like about playing people that are better than me in For Glory!:
The challenge
Gradually improving through said challenge

Things I don't like about it:
Losing most of the games
Being frustrated about COME ON THAT EFFIN DOWNSMASH CLEARLY HIT! THE BLOODY DODGE CAN'T BE THAT LONG! THAT ELWIND CLEARLY WENT THROUGH HER THAT TIME! THE HECK?!

I will return to the challenge once I am not angrily confused about the speed at which some people seem to shield/dodge/do anything anymore.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Yeah...
Sorry Frosty, but Dark Pit is not a good choice. The worst part is, the only reason he was promoted is due to a changed Final Smash (sort of makes sense) and the Electroshock Arm. Which leads me to ask: Why not just make it a custom move for Pit??

The worst part is they GOT RID OF THE BLOOD FALCON ALT. But then MADE DARK PIT HIS OWN CHARACTER.

Don't forget that his Final Smash is exactly the same as Zelda/Sheik's
I don't hate clones, but a much better character could have been added as a clone instead of Dark Pit.

Things I like about playing people that are better than me in For Glory!:
The challenge
Gradually improving through said challenge

Things I don't like about it:
Losing most of the games
Being frustrated about COME ON THAT EFFIN DOWNSMASH CLEARLY HIT! THE BLOODY DODGE CAN'T BE THAT LONG! THAT ELWIND CLEARLY WENT THROUGH HER THAT TIME! THE HECK?!

I will return to the challenge once I am not angrily confused about the speed at which some people seem to shield/dodge/do anything anymore.

Dsmash missing, story of my life

 

[Deathcarter]

I have to agree with KeniththeGatherer and Brawler610 here. Considering that the only exposer the west had of FE outside of Roy was otherwise Marth the girly and comparatively more restrained (read: dull) swordsman and one (awesome) song, I do believe Roy helped a lot in making FE look more exotic with his flashiness even if he didn't earn his roster spot. It helps that alts weren't a thing back then.

Dark Pit on the other hand is an extra character from a series many people felt was overexposed, has almost no differences between him and Pit both mechanically and visually, and is an edgy shadow knockoff of a character many people already think is extremely dorky that unlike in his game of origin is played completely seriously.

 

[Shaymikyu]

I have yet to even take a Spanish course since I chose sign language as my foreign language instead.

I would love to see Zinnia at least represented. Granted I would love her as a character, I'd be fine with her as an AT or just regular trophy even. Zinnia is probably one of my favorite Pokemon characters as far as the games go, and I would love to see something like the Pokemon Trainer from Brawl again. She has such a interesting personality that's not like almost every other trainer and has a really sweet theme. I really want to see more of her in the future, but if Gamefreak keeps doing what they usually do, I don't think we will be seeing much more of her

I was really bummed at the lack of human trophies for Pokémon. I expected at least N to show up, or all the X and Y characters who got full 3D models in their battle animations (Serena, Calem, Tierno, Trevor, Shauna, Professor Sycamore, everyone on Team Flare, and AZ), but all we got were Red (who was recycled from Brawl), Serena and Calem (crammed together and not given their default names), and Professor Sycamore. At least the latter two trophies got cool new models, though.

And yes, her theme. I think her battle theme is my new favorite song in the franchise.

Spoiler

It stinks that we only get to hear it once, during a curbstomp battle, and never again. It needs to be a Maison option, or we need to be able to rebattle Zinnia... Or team up with her in the Maison! Seriously! What is with Gamefreak and having the best characters leave after the story and never be seen again? There are so many characters I'd love the option of at least seeing after their story is over, even without battles or anything.

Roy's evidently not an exception if Smash 4 FE speculation consisted primarily of Chrom vs. Roy up until June 2014.

Hell, the first few pages of this very thread was that very debate.

People expected Roy over an Awakening character? Whether you like Awakening or not, it was arguably one of the more successful FE games. It'd be like if Mother 4 got made, released here, was more successful than any previous Mother (not Pokémon and Mario successful, but not bombing either), and we were told we'd get two Mother reps, and people debated between Lucas and Mother 4 Protagonist. And I say this as a HUGE fan of Lucas (and someone who likes Roy in Melee, even if he's not that great in FE).

Also, it's worth noting, apparently part of the reason Dr. Mario was put in Melee was because of his theme music.
If you know that tune, you know that is all the reason you need to put Dr. Mario in the game.

Well, I can't argue with that logic. That song is all sorts of awesome. Plus, Doc gave us the best victory pose ever:

Them's fightin' words.

PICHU MASTER RACE.

At least Pichu gave us a Johto rep. Were there better choices? Probably, but poor Johto hasn't had any other playable Pokémon since.

Then again, Hoenn and Unova got it even worse. Especially Hoenn- Unova got a single stage, at least.

AND WHY DIDN'T UNOVA GET A WII U STAGE!? Where's Pokéstar Studios, or Lentimas, or Castelia? Was Pokémon not big enough for three stages, when it has almost as many playable characters as the series with five stages in the 3DS VERSION? Especially when one of those two stages is a returning one?

 

[LIQUID12A]

AND WHY DIDN'T UNOVA GET A WII U STAGE!?

Because N's Castle/Unova League is already in the 3DS version.

 

[Tattles]

I was really bummed at the lack of human trophies for Pokémon. I expected at least N to show up, or all the X and Y characters who got full 3D models in their battle animations (Serena, Calem, Tierno, Trevor, Shauna, Professor Sycamore, everyone on Team Flare, and AZ), but all we got were Red (who was recycled from Brawl), Serena and Calem (crammed together and not given their default names), and Professor Sycamore. At least the latter two trophies got cool new models, though.

And yes, her theme. I think her battle theme is my new favorite song in the franchise.

Spoiler

It stinks that we only get to hear it once, during a curbstomp battle, and never again. It needs to be a Maison option, or we need to be able to rebattle Zinnia... Or team up with her in the Maison! Seriously! What is with Gamefreak and having the best characters leave after the story and never be seen again? There are so many characters I'd love the option of at least seeing after their story is over, even without battles or anything.

People expected Roy over an Awakening character? Whether you like Awakening or not, it was arguably one of the more successful FE games. It'd be like if Mother 4 got made, released here, was more successful than any previous Mother (not Pokémon and Mario successful, but not bombing either), and we were told we'd get two Mother reps, and people debated between Lucas and Mother 4 Protagonist. And I say this as a HUGE fan of Lucas (and someone who likes Roy in Melee, even if he's not that great in FE).

Well, I can't argue with that logic. That song is all sorts of awesome. Plus, Doc gave us the best victory pose ever:

PICHU MASTER RACE.

At least Pichu gave us a Johto rep. Were there better choices? Probably, but poor Johto hasn't had any other playable Pokémon since.

Then again, Hoenn and Unova got it even worse. Especially Hoenn- Unova got a single stage, at least.

AND WHY DIDN'T UNOVA GET A WII U STAGE!? Where's Pokéstar Studios, or Lentimas, or Castelia? Was Pokémon not big enough for three stages, when it has almost as many playable characters as the series with five stages in the 3D VERSION? Especially when one of those two stages is a returning one?

Mewtwo might come with a stage, who knows.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Because N's Castle/Unova League is already in the 3DS version.

Kalos got a 3DS stage and a Wii U stage (Lumiose and Kalos League, respectively). What was preventing the same from happening to Unova? I know Kalos seems more popular, but Unova definitely has a rather strong fanbase and I'd take it over Blandébland Stadium 2.

Mewtwo might come with a stage, who knows.

That would be awesome! Though, since Mewtwo is from Kanto, I'd expect a Kanto stage... redone Saffron City, anyone?

 

[LIQUID12A]

Kalos got a 3DS stage and a Wii U stage (Lumiose and Kalos League, respectively). What was preventing the same from happening to Unova? I know Kalos seems more popular, but Unova definitely has a rather strong fanbase and I'd take it over Blandébland Stadium 2.

Unova is a generation old anyway. I doubt they could make an entirely new stage given that the rest of Unova is bland compared to N's Castle. Besides, they already used their stage hazards card on Reshiram/Zekrom.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Unova is a generation old anyway. I doubt they could make an entirely new stage given that the rest of Unova is bland compared to N's Castle. Besides, they already used their stage hazards card on Reshiram/Zekrom.

True, though I still think a Pokéstar Studio based around the movies had potential. I guess Unova got it better than Johto and Hoenn at least, who got zero stages (yes, both the Melee ones are listed as Kanto).

 

[False Sense]

That would be awesome! Though, since Mewtwo is from Kanto, I'd expect a Kanto stage... redone Saffron City, anyone?

Who knows, maybe he'll come with a Melee Pokemon stage.

 

[LIQUID12A]

True, though I still think a Pokéstar Studio based around the movies had potential.

Pokestar Studio is super bland for a stage idea.

The only other stage I could imagine happening would be Giant Chasm with Kyurem/White/Black as a hazard in the background...but it wouldn't bring anything new.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Who knows, maybe he'll come with a Melee Pokemon stage.

If the stage isn't Pokéfloats, I will scream.

Eh, or not. At least Pokémon Stadium was made when Pokémon Stadium was still relatively new, and wasn't just copying a stage from before. Plus, I do have some nostalgia for the original.

Pokestar Studio is super bland for a stage idea.

The only other stage I could imagine happening would be Giant Chasm with Kyurem/White/Black as a hazard in the background...but it wouldn't bring anything new.

Well, it's hard to come up with better Unova ideas than N's Castle.

Giant Chasm would be okay, but if that were the only option, I'd probably just prefer another Kalos stage (Lysandre Labs? A gym-based stage that cycles through all the gyms if that isn't too similar to Kalos League? Parfum Palace? Shalour?). But, again, would take any over Pokémon Stadium 3 as a potential third stage.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Who knows, maybe he'll come with a Melee Pokemon stage.

inb4 pokemon stadium remake again