Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[False Sense]

All this talk of Greninja and Hawlucha as playable characters, and everyone is forgetting the best possible choice for a 6th gen representative...

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[Hong]

and are pretty boring as characters IMO. If Greninja was not such a strong fighter, I would forget that it even exists.

 

[LIQUID12A]

and are pretty boring as characters IMO. If Greninja was not such a strong fighter, I would forget that it even exists.

Well, Jiggly is useless in it's home series as it is anyway. It dies to anything.

And here's my only wish for Pokken Fighters:

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[Deleted member]

and are pretty boring as characters IMO. If Greninja was not such a strong fighter, I would forget that it even exists.

Greninja reminds me a lot of Kellam. He has just as much focus as the other newcomers, but he's kinda the most forgettable. Hell, I even forgot that he was on the roster at one point. It's strange too since Greninja is one of my favorite Pokemon...

 

[IceAnt573]

I want to see Sakurai make Aegislash work.

I'm still surprised Aegislash isn't a Pokeball Pokemon.

 

[False Sense]

Greninja reminds me a lot of Kellam. He has just as much focus as the other newcomers, but he's kinda the most forgettable. Hell, I even forgot that he was on the roster at one point. It's strange too since Greninja is one of my favorite Pokemon...

I have to wonder what the reason for that is. A number of people have reported that they have forgotten Greninja was playable at some point. So why is that? He's definitely a popular and "cool" Pokemon, and he looks pretty promising as a Smash character, so you'd think him being playable would have left a bigger impact. Is it because he isn't as big of an icon as Pokemon like Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario? Did he just come at a bad time by being announced alongside a ton of other big Smash news? Or... what?

 

[Deleted member]

I have to wonder what the reason for that is. A number of people have reported that they have forgotten Greninja was playable at some point. So why is that? He's definitely a popular and "cool" Pokemon, and he looks pretty promising as a Smash character, so you'd think him being playable would have left a bigger impact. Is it because he isn't as big of an icon as Pokemon like Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario? Did he just come at a bad time by being announced alongside a ton of other big Smash news? Or... what?

Out of the newcomers, he doesn't have that exciting "Wow" factor for me. I can easily identify and remember the newcomers with their traits (Shulk and his Monado Arts, Robin's limited weapon usage, WFT's yoga poses, etc.). Greninja... kinda lacks that.
I also think the Smash Direct did a number on him for me. After such big announcements, he was an underwhelming choice to show at the end of the Direct.

 

[Hong]

I have to wonder what the reason for that is. A number of people have reported that they have forgotten Greninja was playable at some point. So why is that?

Invisible... Must be good at their occupation.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Well, Greninja is a ninja. He doesn't want you to know he exists.

Really, though, I know what you're getting at. A Kalos Pokémon was one of my most wanted newcomers, but I keep forgetting about Greninja too. I guess Lucario was marketed more heavily in 4th generation and had his own movie, and Pikachu and Charizard are just plain iconic. Jigglypuff is from the original 12, but even then, she's the one I usually forget about. At least she's more relevant now (barely) than in Brawl because she just gained a new type. I can't really think of a heavily-marketed Kalos Pokémon. A lot of the promotion feels like "Mega Charizard X everywhere!"

 

[Fire Tactician]

I have to wonder what the reason for that is. A number of people have reported that they have forgotten Greninja was playable at some point. So why is that? He's definitely a popular and "cool" Pokemon, and he looks pretty promising as a Smash character, so you'd think him being playable would have left a bigger impact. Is it because he isn't as big of an icon as Pokemon like Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario? Did he just come at a bad time by being announced alongside a ton of other big Smash news? Or... what?

He was great at the time of his reveal, but in the end, he's 1/721 Pokemon. Some people really just don't care about the Pokemon and some people would rather have other Pokemon. He also isn't a defined character that people can relate to- only 1/3 of players of XY should even have owned a Greninja during the story (it was more though since he was popular, but you get the idea) (I fall into this category- I like Greninja, but I never used one myself until competitive play and rally am not too compelled to use him). Meanwhile, we have newcomers like Shulk and Robin, who we had with us on entire journeys and got to know well, as long as newcomers like Lucina and Dark Pit, who have gained infamy for being clones (any publicity is good publicity I guess). He's also not meme-inspiring like Villager and WFT can be. He's kinda been shuffled under the rug by more controversial and "interesting" characters.

 

[GuyWithTheFace]

I have to wonder what the reason for that is. A number of people have reported that they have forgotten Greninja was playable at some point. So why is that? He's definitely a popular and "cool" Pokemon, and he looks pretty promising as a Smash character, so you'd think him being playable would have left a bigger impact. Is it because he isn't as big of an icon as Pokemon like Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario? Did he just come at a bad time by being announced alongside a ton of other big Smash news? Or... what?

Out of all the newcomers announced before the game's release, 5 of them came from established series. Palutena, who had 12 custom moves and was easily the most expected character. Robin, who's memorable not only for his tomes thing but also the fact that he overtook Chrom for playable. Lucina is in the same boat, memorable for that trailer. Rosalina, who has her Luma gimmick. And then Greninja, who, let's face it, is pretty standard. People remember Dark Pit and Doc because they hate them so much, and they remember Robin because they think he's awesome but Greninja is just... There, in comparison to the others. All the characters from new franchises are remembered for introducing new franchises.

 

[Hong]

I can't help but find it amusing how you are more likely to remember Greninja when you think of Mewtwo.

And this is coming from someone who is not even a Pokemon fan.

That said, he's really strong right now. Going to say high tier at minimum a year from now. He would be even stronger with smaller blast zones. Seems to get decimated by powerful close-quarters fights, though. Absolutely wrecked by a good Little Mac.

 

[False Sense]

Out of the newcomers, he doesn't have that exciting "Wow" factor for me. I can easily identify and remember the newcomers with their traits (Shulk and his Monado Arts, Robin's limited weapon usage, WFT's yoga poses, etc.). Greninja... kinda lacks that.
I also think the Smash Direct did a number on him for me. After such big announcements, he was an underwhelming choice to show at the end of the Direct.

That may be because Greninja doesn't have an incredibly unique mechanic like most of the other newcomers do. For the most part, Greninja is just an aquatic ninja, which we've seen before, and most of his moves are also variations of moves we've seen before (Water Shruiken is another chargeable projectile like the Charge Shot and Aura Sphere, Hydro Pump functions a lot like Quick Attack, Substitute is another counter move, etc). Probably the most unique thing about Greninja is his Shadow Sneak attack, which, while interesting, doesn't quite stand out as much as Villager's various quirky abilities, Mega Man's almost entirely exclusive use of projectiles, Rosalina's puppeteer play style, Robin's limited weapons or Shulk's Monado Arts. Greninja just doesn't stand out alongside those other characters.

 

[Shaymikyu]

He was great at the time of his reveal, but in the end, he's 1/721 Pokemon. Some people really just don't care about the Pokemon and some people would rather have other Pokemon. He also isn't a defined character that people can relate to- only 1/3 of players of XY should even have owned a Greninja during the story (it was more though since he was popular, but you get the idea) (I fall into this category- I like Greninja, but I never used one myself until competitive play and rally am not too compelled to use him). Meanwhile, we have newcomers like Shulk and Robin, who we had with us on entire journeys and got to know well, as long as newcomers like Lucina and Dark Pit, who have gained infamy for being clones (any publicity is good publicity I guess). He's also not meme-inspiring like Villager and WFT can be. He's kinda been shuffled under the rug by more controversial and "interesting" characters.

That makes sense. I actually went with Fennekin because I'm a huge fan of fennec foxes. I associate Greninja with Calem, since he chose it, but that's the only time I see it. It's hard to make a starter the face of a generation simply because there are three of them and not everyone will even choose it. Pikachu was a starter in one game and was the star of the anime. Lucario is owned by several plot-important trainers in the series and, again, had his own movie. Pichu is related to the franchise mascot. Jigglypuff was incredibly popular at the time of the original SSB because of her role in the anime. Mewtwo was basically the original end boss of Pokémon. Charizard was the face of Pokémon Red, making him surpass the starter rule. The only other two starters I can think of like that are Blaziken and Serperior (or more specifically, Snivy), and even then, the others have caught up to Blaziken almost thanks to their mega evos, and Samurott had a sizable fanbase too.

I can't think of what would be a more iconic Kalos Pokémon, though. Espurr, maybe? Goomy? Hawlucha has his fans... Aegislash could be another unique fighter (swordsman? try literal sword). Gogoat?

 

[LousyTactician]

All this talk of Greninja and Hawlucha as playable characters, and everyone is forgetting the best possible choice for a 6th gen representative...

Spoiler

Sylveon or get out.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Oh, forgot Sylveon! Sylveon would be perfect, actually. In fact, I remember expecting Sylveon if we got a Kalos Pokémon. It was heavily marketed, an evo of an already popular Pokémon, and has the new Fairy type.

 

[Hong]

Water Shruiken is another chargeable projectile like the Charge Shot and Aura Sphere, Hydro Pump functions a lot like Quick Attack,

Actually, only his Counter feels like an unoriginal special move.

Water Shuriken is nothing like other charged projectiles. It charges to full in roughly a second and you can't hold onto it. It's more of a spam thing. Its actual properties on contact when charged saves it from being boring.

Hydro Pump can resemble Quick Attack if you try, but it doesn't function like it does unless you want it to.

And of course, as you mentioned, Shadow Sneak is pretty interesting.

That said, indeed, Greninja doesn't have too much that stands out. Wii Fit Trainer would be the same, if not for the fact she is "that one character that can heal".

 

[Shaymikyu]

I actually sometimes forget about Wii Fit Trainer, too. Which is odd, since she's probably the most unexpected character in the whole game.

I think it's just hard on those characters since we got so many new play styles this time. Greninja and WFT have unique movesets, but don't have mold-breaking styles like Robin or Shulk.

 

[False Sense]

Actually, only his Counter feels like an unoriginal special move.

Water Shuriken is nothing like other charged projectiles. It charges to full in roughly a second and you hold onto it. It's more of a spam thing. It's actual properties on contact when charged saves it from being boring.

Hydro Pump can resemble Quick Attack if you try, but it doesn't function like it does unless you want it to.

And of course, as you mentioned, Shadow Sneak is pretty interesting.

That said, indeed, Greninja doesn't have too much that stands out. Wii Fit Trainer would be the same, if not for the fact she is "that character that one character that can heal".

True, those attacks do function differently than the moves that they seem superficially similar to. But the fact remains that they are superficially similar to other moves, making them less likely to leave a lasting impression.

At least in the case of Wii Fit Trainer, there's no one else on the roster that can replicate her fitness-styled moves. Greninja's fighting style is based on that of a ninja, which is a fighting style already utilized by Sheik.

 

[Hong]

I actually sometimes forget about Wii Fit Trainer, too. Which is odd, since she's probably the most unexpected character in the whole game.

I think it's just hard on those characters since we got so many new play styles this time. Greninja and WFT have unique movesets, but don't have mold-breaking styles like Robin or Shulk.

I'll always remember the Wii Fit Trainer because she complains whenever I have anything less than 100% stability.

SHUT UP ALREADY! You say the same thing every morning. Stop judging me.

 

[Shaymikyu]

I always used , to be honest. I think I just liked his voice better. I think I have more ill feelings towards that balance board. Yes, my weight has changed a lot since the last time I used Wii Fit. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[shrooby]

A month after the initial "shock" I grew bored of Wii Fit Trainer.
If I had to pick a "least favorite newcomer" it'd be Wii Fit Trainer. Granted, I don't dislike any of them, though I am the most indifferent to Wii Fit Trainer.
And, before anyone says anything, I say this after getting a chance to play as her.
She's "unique" in the way Donkey Kong is unique. No character does the same animations or general concept behind certain moves, but she's not "ground breakingly unique" like Olimar, Snake, Rosalina, or Robin.
And, indeed, the same could be said for Greninja. The difference, for me, being that after I got a chance to try out Greninja I was not bored with him. His "style," while not particularly unique, is still fun for me.
Also the announcer says "Greninja" in a cool way.

 

[Hong]

I always used , to be honest. I think I just liked his voice better.

looks and sounds too much like Captain Planet.

 

[Shaymikyu]

I'm not sure who my least favorite is. There aren't any I hate (even ), but I can't think of a least favorite. I guess I'm not as interested in the Miis, but at the same time, I love customization with hats and stuff, so they have that going for them. Their movesets don't feel as different, though. They also don't really have as much personality compared to some of the others. Even , despite being an avatar in his home game, has a distinct-feeling personality to him (and that moveset). And no, I'm not counting / as an avatar since they're "My Unit" in Japan and have a distinct personality even in Awakening.

looks and sounds too much like Captain Planet.

...I can't unhear that now.
: Water!
: Earth!
: Fire!
: Wind!
: Heart!
: With your powers combined, I am Captain Fitness!

 

[Weeman]

Speaking of announcers, my god the spanish one sounds so emotionless. It's like they just told an average guy to read the lines, and then added the megaphone effect to them.

 

[Hong]

Least favourite would be , though largely due to my philosophies.

I rather they just combine her with . Make it so Stone has a super lethal hitbox when it initially forms. BAM, you now have a Rest.

All three of her other special moves are really lame and boring. Feels like a Kirby with more aerial manoeuvrability. Granted, she probably uses Kirby's rig, so she does not take as much time to make as other characters. Someone like Robin, on the other hand, probably took a lot of work for the developer compared to others.

My most loathed character used to be . Felt like the most lame addition to Brawl in terms of moveset and effort involved. However, as of Smash 4, my feelings have completely turned around. Reworking his forward B and defining his moves a bit went a looooooooong way in making him standout. Now I'm happy to have him around.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Speaking of announcers, my god the spanish one sounds so emotionless. It's like they just told an average guy to read the lines, and then added the megaphone effect to them.

English FTW.

 

[Shaymikyu]

If we're including veterans, then is probably my least favorite. I have nothing against her, but she just doesn't feel like she brings much in any department. She was mainly added for her popularity in the anime, and even then, she's long left it. Pikachu at least even gets some cameos in the games to enforce his mascot status, even if you don't catch one. Female Pikachu get special forms in the upcoming OR/AS, Pikachu is always one of the playable characters you can be in the Mystery Dungeon spin-offs, and so forth.

EDIT: Heck, PICHU is more important in the games than Jigglypuff. At least there was that event Pichu in HG/SS, and a Pichu is your partner in the third Ranger game. That's still more than Jigglypuff got.

 

[Hong]

For newcomers, definitely , for me.

All three of the clones took minimal programming to add. Maybe a day of work.

But... why? Why couldn't you have just left them as costumes? Even if they have their own little corner on the selection screen, by giving them the distinction of being their own character, you draw more attention to them. I couldn't say Alph is a bad character, since he is just a costume.

Mario should have gotten Dr. Mario's stuff for specials, much like Ness basically absorbed Lucas.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I think we can all agree that most people's least favorite are a toss up between and

 

[shrooby]

If we're talking veterans, then my "least favorite" is easily Toon Link.
Toon Link is not a "clone" while at the same time bringing as much "new" to the table as a clone.
He may have have different animations, but he's still simply a variation of Link; he's "nimble Link" in the same sort of light as Dark Pit being "slower Pit," or Dr. Mario being "stronger, slower Mario."

 

[Shaymikyu]

I would have rather had Dr. Mario remained a costume (with his moves added as customs to Mario and maybe Mario given more than 8 costumes like Little Mac because he IS Mario) and Dark Pit as a palette swap (maybe with customs involving the staff?). I could live with Lucina as a Marth alt if she was given the Alph treatment (her own name on the victory screen and voice acting), but I'd still rather have her as her own character and less cloney.

Still, since they were likely quick last-minute additions, I can't be too mad. I guess that's why I didn't consider and in my least favorites- too obvious. I actually have plans on using Dr. Mario, but I'd still rather just have him merged. Plus, Lucina is at least a separate character from Marth in the games, even if she uses his name for a while. Dr. Mario IS Mario, and I haven't played Uprising yet, so I don't know how Dark Pit ties into Pit. Still, his name is Dark PIT, so that definitely makes him a magnet for accusations of being better as an alt. I'm not sure why I don't feel the same way about . I mean yeah, he's an alternate Link, but I guess I'm just used to him after Brawl. I'd probably be more accepting of if he had just remained in Brawl in the first place.

 

[Weeman]

I think we can all agree that most people's least favorite are a toss up between and

HAHAHA, NO, I LOVE CLONES, BRING EM' UP, ALPH SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CLONE TOO
And i don't care what anyone says, always Jiggles my Puffs .
As for the character i care the least, just seems rather forgettable this time around, though i can't explain why.

 

[Shaymikyu]

I usually prefer some clones to the original characters they're based off of, actually.

And I keep forgetting about Diddy too. Not sure why. Even in Brawl I kind of forgot he existed sometimes.

 

[shrooby]

Forgetting Diddy?!

OH

Oh...


My heart...hurts...

Diddy Kong is the only playable character who is not of Japanese origin.
Diddy Kong Racing was also my first video game ever...

 

[Hong]

is here to monitor your sodium levels.

 

[LIQUID12A]

HAHAHA, NO, I LOVE CLONES, BRING EM' UP, ALPH SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CLONE TOO
And i don't care what anyone says, always Jiggles my Puffs .
As for the character i care the least, just seems rather forgettable this time around, though i can't explain why.

The only clone I accept is Lucina.

Everyone else matters not.

 

[Hong]

Dr. Mario is the best character because of all the potential punch-lines.

His fighting style is malpractice.
No amount of apple consumption will stop this doctor.
Serves out a prescription of Ass-Whoopin' - Take four times daily as recommended.
Cutting taxes by combining the murder, the autopsy, and the morgue.
Your blood pressure is too high? Let me fix that for you.
For this surgery, he's going to have to knock you out.


Can'thandlethis.

 

[shrooby]

HAHAHA, NO, I LOVE CLONES, BRING EM' UP, ALPH SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CLONE TOO
And i don't care what anyone says, always Jiggles my Puffs .
As for the character i care the least, just seems rather forgettable this time around, though i can't explain why.

I'm personally glad Alph was not chosen to be a clone.
Having a clone would kinda take away from just how unique Olimar is.

Jiggles my Puffs

 

[False Sense]

In terms of clones, I'm ok with Lucina considering that she's an important and popular character that is distinct from Marth, even if she shares his play style. In this case, I think the cloning makes sense and it's a nice way to include a fan favorite on the roster.

Dr. Mario and Dark Pit, on the other hand, I'm less fond of. Unlike Lucina, who despite being a clone of Marth is definitely not Marth, Dr. Mario and Dark Pit are basically variations of a pre-existing character, Dr. Mario literally being Mario in a different outfit, and Dark Pit being an actual clone of pit. On top of that, they're not as prominent in their respective series as Lucina is in Awakening, nor are either of them anywhere near her levels of popularity. In this case, I feel like they could have easily been left as alternate costumes like Alph was, which probably would have been significantly less controversial amongst fans.