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TIL, I've been pronouncing Tharja's name wrong.
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Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread
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... Surprising. I guess it would appear his Down Smash is likely the more dramatic slash then, as you said.
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Ah, then my theory on Smash to use the Levin Sword and Tilt to change back still holds water.
He's one of the only two units in the game with Dual Strike+. That alone makes him amazing.
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Best part about Robin fanart is that half the time some Robins are going to deviate from the default. Keeps things fresh and enjoyable, kinda like this Final Smash.
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But Chrom's your pic...
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Do you guys think Robin will be playable at ComicCon?
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I've missed out on some of the speculation, but I'd like to share what I've noticed from the trailer.
We started out with very little information on Robin and Lucina, but with recent Miiverse posts and Famitsu Scans we have a much better idea as to how these new characters will play. Given all of the information we currently have I'd like to speculate on how Robin will fair in Smash 4.
Robin is a very interesting character with his/her durability mechanic.
Just like in the Fire Emblem games this character can only use their weapon a certain number of times before it breaks.
Thankfully in Smash Bros these items will come back after a certain period of time. This means that Robin players have to carefully plan out their attacks or they will be unequipped when the time has come to strike the final blow.
Robin's tome is used to cast his/her many spells. Each use of thunder, fire, wind, or dark magic counts towards the depletion of the tome.
Neutral Special - Thunder
Robin's neutral special is for all of his/her thunder spells. By pressing the special button once s/he can charge the move to make it a more powerful spell.
If Robin shields to cancel the move s/he can store the charge. If Robin presses the special button again while charging then s/he fires off a thunder spell along a purely horizontal trajectory.
The most basic version of the spell is simply called Thunder. This magic spell is a small ball of electricity that deals small knock back and damage. The move doesn't look to be too laggy and is seen in the reveal trailer to be performed twice in quick succession.
Next up is Elthunder. This is the second level of the Thunder spell and thus requires a charge in order to use. We don't see this move connect, but the electric ball is bigger and should deal more damage and knock back.
The third level of the Thunder spell is Arc Thunder. This electric ball is bigger still and looks to lock the opponent in place when it connects. The spell inflicts multiple hits of damage and forms a large X shape made of electricity while doing so. The move looks to have decent knock back on the final hit.
Arc Thunder looks like it could possibly be the best version of the Thunder spell when it comes to racking up damage. We see the Female Robin dash forward while the spell is still keeping Zelda locked in place. Perhaps if Robin had been closer to her opponent when she used Arc Thunder, she would of been able to follow up with an additional spell or smash attack.
If this move can combo into Arc Fire and from there into a smash attack...
That's a lot of damage off of one get in. Though Robin would have to be careful to not use up his/her tome to do so.
The most powerful version of the Thunder spell is the incredible looking Thoron. Obviously this spell requires the longest charge and thus is the most difficult to obtain without being interrupted. The trade off is immense in that this magic attack looks to be the fastest moving and with the most effective range.
Rather than an orb, Thoron is a giant yellow beam that takes up nearly the entire length of the Dr Wily stage. This move is probably very damaging and looks to be a powerful KO move.
Thoron could be really tricky working your way up to, but because you can hit shield to store your charge it shouldn't be too improbable.
Robin will also have to be careful not to break his/her tome with other spells as s/he works up to the charge or s/he'll be unable to make use of the charges.
Once fully charged though this attack is a great tool for punishing unsafe moves or preventing a player from recovering. The speed, effective range, and knock back power look to make this move amazing.
Side Special - Arc Fire
Let's turn our attention to a spell that doesn't require charging.
Robin's Arc Fire has the mystic warrior summon a fireball above his/her head and send it downwards diagonally in the direction that s/he is facing.
The fireball erupts into a pillar of flame, much like Ness's PK fire, if it collides with the stage, an item, or another player. The fire pillar deals multiple hits of damage before dealing a final hit with increased knock back.
This is yet another spell that continues to hold the enemy in place long enough for Robin to recover from his animation and attack.
I really like how Arc Fire looks to work and see it as an improved PK Fire.
While Ness has to jump into the air to hit aerial opponents with his PK Fire, Robin simply has that chance due to where he summons the fireball.
To be fair, Ness can spam his fire pillar move much more often due to not relying on a magical tome with a finite number of uses.
None the less, I think Arc Fire provides Robin with an amazing way to build up damage. Especially if it can combo off of Arc Thunder.
Down Special - Nosferatu
Nosferatu is a very interesting looking spell. This attack has Robin summon a dark purple smog directly in front of him. If the attack connects with an opponent then it deals multiple hits and "curses" the opponent.
It's not apparent if they're cursed for a period of time or its just during Nosferatu, but either way the attack heals Robin as s/he deals damage. Apparently the healing is increased if Robin attacks from behind.
Unfortunately this move doesn't have as much screen time or explanation as any of the other attacks. None the less it looks to be one of the rare healing moves in the game. So that by itself is interesting to note.
It looks like the move may be able to be used for a long period of time based off the animation. We see Robin continuously make the same hand movements as s/he uses the spell. If that's the case then this move could potentially be pretty useful for turning the tide of a fight for the cost of a tome.
Again this all depends on the duration of the move and how exactly this "curse" works.
Up Special - Elwind
Elwind serves as Robin's recovery move. Robin shoots out two green blasts of wind one after the other. As the wind magic shoots downwards it propels Robin upwards.
Like Nosferatu, we don't see too much of this spell compared to the others.
It's unclear if Elwind leaves Robin in a helpless state or if s/he can act after casting the spell.
What's truly important to note is that Robin can not use the spell without his/her tome. Another reason to be careful when throwing out spells.
Standard Attacks
We only see four of Robin's standard attacks. What looks to be his/her down tilt, jabs, side smash, and forward aerial attack.
These physical attacks make use of Robin's sword. S/he starts off with the Levin Sword, but it breaks after a certain number of uses and becomes the weaker Bronze Sword. After a certain amount of time the Bronze Sword starts to glow and eventually becomes the Levin Sword again.
There's not a lot to say about the other attacks, but Robin's jabs seem interesting. It appears they may change based off of the last spell Robin used.
In the beginning of the trailer we see Robin's tome is red before he starts attacking. This jab combo is only three hits and ends with a red fireball that sends the opponent away with mostly horizontal knock back.
Later in the trailer we see Robin's tome is green as s/he starts slashing. Rather then use a fireball, Robin summons a barrage of wind that continuously hits Kirby before enlarging for the finisher. This final hit sends Kirby away with mostly vertical knock back.
We see the female Robin change the color of her tome as she switches between Arc Fire and Arc Thunder. This could add yet another layer of strategy to this new Fire Emblem character.
We started out with very little information on Robin and Lucina, but with recent Miiverse posts and Famitsu Scans we have a much better idea as to how these new characters will play. Given all of the information we currently have I'd like to speculate on how Robin will fair in Smash 4.
Robin is a very interesting character with his/her durability mechanic.
Just like in the Fire Emblem games this character can only use their weapon a certain number of times before it breaks.
Thankfully in Smash Bros these items will come back after a certain period of time. This means that Robin players have to carefully plan out their attacks or they will be unequipped when the time has come to strike the final blow.
Robin's tome is used to cast his/her many spells. Each use of thunder, fire, wind, or dark magic counts towards the depletion of the tome.
Neutral Special - Thunder
Robin's neutral special is for all of his/her thunder spells. By pressing the special button once s/he can charge the move to make it a more powerful spell.
If Robin shields to cancel the move s/he can store the charge. If Robin presses the special button again while charging then s/he fires off a thunder spell along a purely horizontal trajectory.
The most basic version of the spell is simply called Thunder. This magic spell is a small ball of electricity that deals small knock back and damage. The move doesn't look to be too laggy and is seen in the reveal trailer to be performed twice in quick succession.
Next up is Elthunder. This is the second level of the Thunder spell and thus requires a charge in order to use. We don't see this move connect, but the electric ball is bigger and should deal more damage and knock back.
The third level of the Thunder spell is Arc Thunder. This electric ball is bigger still and looks to lock the opponent in place when it connects. The spell inflicts multiple hits of damage and forms a large X shape made of electricity while doing so. The move looks to have decent knock back on the final hit.
Arc Thunder looks like it could possibly be the best version of the Thunder spell when it comes to racking up damage. We see the Female Robin dash forward while the spell is still keeping Zelda locked in place. Perhaps if Robin had been closer to her opponent when she used Arc Thunder, she would of been able to follow up with an additional spell or smash attack.
If this move can combo into Arc Fire and from there into a smash attack...
That's a lot of damage off of one get in. Though Robin would have to be careful to not use up his/her tome to do so.
The most powerful version of the Thunder spell is the incredible looking Thoron. Obviously this spell requires the longest charge and thus is the most difficult to obtain without being interrupted. The trade off is immense in that this magic attack looks to be the fastest moving and with the most effective range.
Rather than an orb, Thoron is a giant yellow beam that takes up nearly the entire length of the Dr Wily stage. This move is probably very damaging and looks to be a powerful KO move.
Thoron could be really tricky working your way up to, but because you can hit shield to store your charge it shouldn't be too improbable.
Robin will also have to be careful not to break his/her tome with other spells as s/he works up to the charge or s/he'll be unable to make use of the charges.
Once fully charged though this attack is a great tool for punishing unsafe moves or preventing a player from recovering. The speed, effective range, and knock back power look to make this move amazing.
Side Special - Arc Fire
Let's turn our attention to a spell that doesn't require charging.
Robin's Arc Fire has the mystic warrior summon a fireball above his/her head and send it downwards diagonally in the direction that s/he is facing.
The fireball erupts into a pillar of flame, much like Ness's PK fire, if it collides with the stage, an item, or another player. The fire pillar deals multiple hits of damage before dealing a final hit with increased knock back.
This is yet another spell that continues to hold the enemy in place long enough for Robin to recover from his animation and attack.
I really like how Arc Fire looks to work and see it as an improved PK Fire.
While Ness has to jump into the air to hit aerial opponents with his PK Fire, Robin simply has that chance due to where he summons the fireball.
To be fair, Ness can spam his fire pillar move much more often due to not relying on a magical tome with a finite number of uses.
None the less, I think Arc Fire provides Robin with an amazing way to build up damage. Especially if it can combo off of Arc Thunder.
Down Special - Nosferatu
Nosferatu is a very interesting looking spell. This attack has Robin summon a dark purple smog directly in front of him. If the attack connects with an opponent then it deals multiple hits and "curses" the opponent.
It's not apparent if they're cursed for a period of time or its just during Nosferatu, but either way the attack heals Robin as s/he deals damage. Apparently the healing is increased if Robin attacks from behind.
Unfortunately this move doesn't have as much screen time or explanation as any of the other attacks. None the less it looks to be one of the rare healing moves in the game. So that by itself is interesting to note.
It looks like the move may be able to be used for a long period of time based off the animation. We see Robin continuously make the same hand movements as s/he uses the spell. If that's the case then this move could potentially be pretty useful for turning the tide of a fight for the cost of a tome.
Again this all depends on the duration of the move and how exactly this "curse" works.
Up Special - Elwind
Elwind serves as Robin's recovery move. Robin shoots out two green blasts of wind one after the other. As the wind magic shoots downwards it propels Robin upwards.
Like Nosferatu, we don't see too much of this spell compared to the others.
It's unclear if Elwind leaves Robin in a helpless state or if s/he can act after casting the spell.
What's truly important to note is that Robin can not use the spell without his/her tome. Another reason to be careful when throwing out spells.
Standard Attacks
We only see four of Robin's standard attacks. What looks to be his/her down tilt, jabs, side smash, and forward aerial attack.
These physical attacks make use of Robin's sword. S/he starts off with the Levin Sword, but it breaks after a certain number of uses and becomes the weaker Bronze Sword. After a certain amount of time the Bronze Sword starts to glow and eventually becomes the Levin Sword again.
There's not a lot to say about the other attacks, but Robin's jabs seem interesting. It appears they may change based off of the last spell Robin used.
In the beginning of the trailer we see Robin's tome is red before he starts attacking. This jab combo is only three hits and ends with a red fireball that sends the opponent away with mostly horizontal knock back.
Later in the trailer we see Robin's tome is green as s/he starts slashing. Rather then use a fireball, Robin summons a barrage of wind that continuously hits Kirby before enlarging for the finisher. This final hit sends Kirby away with mostly vertical knock back.
We see the female Robin change the color of her tome as she switches between Arc Fire and Arc Thunder. This could add yet another layer of strategy to this new Fire Emblem character.
Glaciacott
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They confirmed the demo for the 3DS tournament is the same as the E3 one.
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Oops. Ok, thanks for the correction. Bummer, I thought we'd at least get Lucina since she's a clone. Oh well.
ZanZero
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After a week out of town it was good to come back to this news.
My #1 most wanted FE character made it in!
Congrats everybody, I really don't know why I hadn't come over to this thread months ago.
I guess I really just didn't see it happening, even as much as I would have wanted it to.
Oh well, better late than never.
WOOT ROBIN!
My #1 most wanted FE character made it in!
Congrats everybody, I really don't know why I hadn't come over to this thread months ago.
I guess I really just didn't see it happening, even as much as I would have wanted it to.
Oh well, better late than never.
WOOT ROBIN!
mimgrim
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I decide to do another playthrough of Awakening, this time with Fem!Robin (my first time doing one with Fem!Robin as well). I'll probably marry her to Chrom to finally see the story changes it incurs lol.
But I had to take a break from the first chapter after getting RNG screwed twice. First missing a 76% chance to hit then missing a 88% chance to hit after that. Missing hits you really shouldn't be missing really puts a damper on wanting to play, as always. When it comes to growth rates I am usually pretty lucky, but when it comes to hit/miss/evade chances in battle I am the unluckiest person alive.
I will still never forget those to moments in Radiant Dawn where I missed a 99% chance to hit attack and didn't evade a 1% chance to hit attack.
But I had to take a break from the first chapter after getting RNG screwed twice. First missing a 76% chance to hit then missing a 88% chance to hit after that. Missing hits you really shouldn't be missing really puts a damper on wanting to play, as always. When it comes to growth rates I am usually pretty lucky, but when it comes to hit/miss/evade chances in battle I am the unluckiest person alive.
I will still never forget those to moments in Radiant Dawn where I missed a 99% chance to hit attack and didn't evade a 1% chance to hit attack.
DarkChaosGames
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Oh god... I had something like that happen to me in Pokemon conquest. Missing a 98-99% attack 3 times in one battle... I just rage quit and continued playing another day.
mimgrim
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I had Pokemon Conquest once. But the game was so terribly slow that I couldn't stand it anymore and got rid of it. Which was a shame as I really wanted to continue playing it, but pace was godawful.
Saito
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Fire emblem x pokemon when.
I need any change of pace for a pokemon game at this point, and I think Fire emblem could be a fun style for it.
Robin being mypokemon trainer tactician in this game would be too perfect.
I need any change of pace for a pokemon game at this point, and I think Fire emblem could be a fun style for it.
Robin being my
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Pretty sure that's called a Nuzlocke run.
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Also merit to note that Robin so far is the only character who can use Smash attacks in the air, granted the Levin Sword is available.
Something that makes Thoron Interesting is the fact it looks like a particle, instead of a projectile. If it's anything like this rare sort of attack in Smash Bros, it should be able to cut through reflection.
Venks
Also merit to note that Robin so far is the only character who can use Smash attacks in the air, granted the Levin Sword is available.
Something that makes Thoron Interesting is the fact it looks like a particle, instead of a projectile. If it's anything like this rare sort of attack in Smash Bros, it should be able to cut through reflection.
Delzethin
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Based on what we know, Robin might be nasty in free for alls. Not that Robin is especially good at crowd control...more that he can take advantage of the confusion.
"Where's Robin?" "Does he have Thoron charged?" "Is he gonna sneak up and Nosferatu me?" "Where's the Levin Sword?"
"Where's Robin?" "Does he have Thoron charged?" "Is he gonna sneak up and Nosferatu me?" "Where's the Levin Sword?"
Saito
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A nuzlocke is nowhere near as fun as a fire emblem awakening playthrough.Pretty sure that's called a Nuzlocke run.
I'd kill for anything that isn't conventional pokemon right now.
Shame because pokemon has my favorite setting, but the games are just...eh.
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I think this game exists.
http://www.pokemonconquest.com/en-us
I haven't played it, but I heard it's similar to FE. Just not as good.
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I'm thinking it may cut through walls as well.
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I... really still can't believe Robin's in. It's so surreal.
If it is actually pronounced with a Norwegian "j" I'm leaving this planet. I've seen this girl, and she's bares no Scandinavian features.
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I meant an actual fire emblem x pokemon crossover. ;_;
I already did conquest. ;_;
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If this doesn't happen, I am boycotting this game.
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Ah, you said fun style so I assumed you meant FE styled Pokemon. An actual crossover would be odd, to say the least.
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I know. I'm honestly inclined to say it's my favorite newcomer announcement for any Smash game, because Robin's character is a concept that I was absolutely in love with for Smash, and not only breathed fresh air into the Fire Emblem section of the roster, but just says good things for Sakurai's current way of thinking.
Such an amazing, unexpected surprise.
And you know, freeing everyone from the tyranny of Gematsu was a nice gift for Robin to bring us, too.
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If they can pull it off with nobunga, they can pull it off with practically anything.
Even still, even if it was just styled the same.
Fire emblem felt....better than conquest.
it's hard to explain. ;_;
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Well, if you're having a hard time accepting this reality...
I'm offering you two solutions: you take the blue pill, and you wake up in your bed and find that Robin is still a playable character for SSB4. You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.
The truth is that the Smashdom is enslaved by evil robots, which are harvesting our hopes and dreams for their own nourishment. And yes, they're all under the control of Sal Romano and Sakurai.
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They did? Man, that's some bull****. I wasn't expecting Robin, but maybe some info on Palutena's moves or some ****.
Oh well... Still, seeing Mac and Rosalina and Greninja in action again will be nice, I guess.
Also, on the topic of Fire Emblem crossovers, can we get a Fire Emblem-style Dynasty Warriors game after Hyrule Warriors?
The characters would mesh so well.
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Saito
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Seconding this.
Although a lot of people actually have negative reception of dynasty warriors style gameplay since it's pretty much the same stuff all the time.
I don't mind though, I quite enjoy dynasty warriors.
DarkChaosGames
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Conquest simply lacked proper depth. Customization was limited with the "perfect link" system. (Since you have no reason to use other pokemon for that lord) and every pokemon simply had 1 move (although they had multiple possible abilities). Some stages like the psychic one were also just gimmicky rather than something that helps support the gameplay.If they can pull it off with nobunga, they can pull it off with practically anything.
Even still, even if it was just styled the same.
Fire emblem felt....better than conquest.
it's hard to explain. ;_;
I will say I did like the angle on character design and the world before the common 'pokeball'.
I enjoyed it but it wasn't anything great.
Also, when are we getting news on SMTxFE? They seemed to have skipped out on that this E3.
GamerGuy09
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Man....it is really sinking in....
Robin is in the game....so many thought "Nah, while that character is cool. Chrom will have to get in, and there probably won't be two FE newcomers." And then they were proven doubly wrong with the fact that there WAS two FE newcomers, and none of them were Chrom.
I remember when I saw that hood....oooh boy did I know who that was. I was just yelling to myself, "NO F-ING WAY! NO F-ING WAY! TIME TO TIP THE MOTHERF-ING SCALES!"
Now that my second most wanted Newcomer is in...I just need Bandana Dee to pull it out.
Robin is in the game....so many thought "Nah, while that character is cool. Chrom will have to get in, and there probably won't be two FE newcomers." And then they were proven doubly wrong with the fact that there WAS two FE newcomers, and none of them were Chrom.
I remember when I saw that hood....oooh boy did I know who that was. I was just yelling to myself, "NO F-ING WAY! NO F-ING WAY! TIME TO TIP THE MOTHERF-ING SCALES!"
Now that my second most wanted Newcomer is in...I just need Bandana Dee to pull it out.
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Saito
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They did say it was still on schedule so it probably wasn't meant to be shown at E3.Also, when are we getting news on SMTxFE? They seemed to have skipped out on that this E3.
Probably to not overshadow the upcoming existence of lucina & Robin in smash4.
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I can still feel my initial hype from Monday morning. Which is - impressive. Newcomer hype generally dies down for me after about a day. It may have to do with being a large part of Robin's support group for the past year. Though, the new mechanic Robin brings and Famitsu information have kept me quite hyped.
My original plan for Monday was: wake up early (video was at 9 AM in my time zone and I'm not an early riser), watch the video, go back to sleep. My hype killed any chance of me getting back to sleep.
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....Pick a god and pray.SCALES were TIPPED..
HOPE never DIED...
And the only thing CHANGED was the 2nd Gematsu leak's credibility.
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I pick Grima, does he count?
Oblivion129
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I REALLY hope you can play as hooded Robin. Having him floating around in the trailer with his hood on was the most badass newcomer entrance so far.