Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[LIQUID12A]

On another note, you ask a comission for an artist (from devianrt, pixiv, tumblr etc) of whom you like other works, if they do.
You'd have to pay real money for that, tho.

It's not that costly in most cases, though, depending on artist and what you want.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

>Robin
>Bottom 10

Bro, bro. There's no way in hell I believe that.
are worst off than Robin is. Especially considering he might be mid tier at the highest.

And is just as bad as he is but is seem as better

I suppose this is without customs? Cause I remember Pale Tuna has some stupid stuff with lightweight and super speed or something. Also, what about ? I thought those were also considered fairly low tier (I don't really keep up with the patches changes enough with characters I don't use to know their current standing in the meta).

 

[Champ Gold]

I suppose this is without customs? Cause I remember Pale Tuna has some stupid stuff with lightweight and super speed or something. Also, what about ? I thought those were also considered fairly low tier (I don't really keep up with the patches changes enough with characters I don't use to know their current standing in the meta).

It's without customs because if that was the case then & will jump up to the high tiers. And as of now, customs aren't really relevant anymore considering people gave a crap because EVO made customs legal

And are pretty decent and fine and are better than what people say they are.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Says the guy with Zelda as one of his mains.

Zelda being the second worst character in the game has nothing to do with the fact that Robin is bad. Plus being better than Zelda in this game isn't an accomplishment that is worth bragging about.

>Robin
>Bottom 10

Bro, bro. There's no way in hell I believe that.
are worst off than Robin is. Especially considering he might be mid tier at the highest.

And is just as bad as he is but is seem as better

Plausible list of characters, but Lucina is definitely not a bottom 10 character when you have a frame 10 move that kills at 70%. Charizard is bad but underrated because of his amazing grab game and punish game. An incredibly debatable opinion but I think Dedede, Ganondorf and Mii Sword are about the same level or slightly better than Robin. They all have very flawed character gameplans that does work from time to time, but are very exploitable due to their glaring weaknesses. In the case of Robin, he has poor speed, gimpable recovery, poor OoS options and the fact that his best moves have freaking limited uses.

 

[evmaxy54]

Plausible list of characters, but Lucina is definitely not a bottom 10 character when you have a frame 10 move that kills at 70%.

Not exactly the best argument in the world because:

Plausible list of characters, but Zelda is definitely not a bottom 10 character when you have a frame 7 move that kills at 80%.

See the problem now?

 

[Pazzo.]

Zelda being the second worst character in the game has nothing to do with the fact that Robin is bad. Plus being better than Zelda in this game isn't an accomplishment that is worth bragging about.

Plausible list of characters, but Lucina is definitely not a bottom 10 character when you have a frame 10 move that kills at 70%. Charizard is bad but underrated because of his amazing grab game and punish game. An incredibly debatable opinion but I think Dedede, Ganondorf and Mii Sword are about the same level or slightly better than Robin. They all have very flawed character gameplans that does work from time to time, but are very exploitable due to their glaring weaknesses. In the case of Robin, he has poor speed, gimpable recovery, poor OoS options and the fact that his best moves have freaking limited uses.

It's just a joke. No offense to you, I just thought it was a little ironic for someone who may appear to have poor character choice to criticize another character.

But if you play Zelda, you're using her for reasons other than 'the best'.

 

[Antonykun]

Not exactly the best argument in the world because:

See the problem now?

nah son that's actually the reason why Zelda SaSS Tier
BAN*ZELDA

 

[SBphiloz4]

Not exactly the best argument in the world because:

See the problem now?

Gorl pls lol

Zelda's frame 7 move isn't even reliable. If you fail to guess the DI on the first hit you lose lol. It also kills later than Fsmash the character. And plus, Fsmash the character has mobility and aerial presence at least.

It's just a joke. No offense to you, I just thought it was a little ironic for someone who may appear to have poor character choice to criticize another character.

But if you play Zelda, you're using her for reasons other than 'the best'.

I use Zelda because I'm a freaky waifufeg masochist who likes getting dominated. :^)

 

[IAmMetaKnight]

Greetings, @Matsushi. You are forever welcome here.

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Where did everybody go? Guys? Hello? HEY!!! GUYS!!!! WHERE IS EVERYBODY!!!!! HEEEEYYY!!!!! HEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! SOMEONE ANSWER ME!!!! ANYBODY!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH - *head explodes*

 

[evmaxy54]

Gorl pls lol

Zelda's frame 7 move isn't even reliable. If you fail to guess the DI on the first hit you lose lol. It also kills later than Fsmash the character. And plus, Fsmash the character has mobility and aerial presence at least.


I use Zelda because I'm a freaky waifufeg masochist who likes getting dominated. :^)

You can probably get it on reaction. Albeit it's really difficult but I don't think it's impossible.

But my point was just because a character has a fast strong kill move doesn't make said character good, though like you said flat-chested Janitor has some other **** that make her less **** lol

 

[Avokha]

Greetings, @Matsushi. You are forever welcome here.

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Where did everybody go? Guys? Hello? HEY!!! GUYS!!!! WHERE IS EVERYBODY!!!!! HEEEEYYY!!!!! HEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! SOMEONE ANSWER ME!!!! ANYBODY!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH - *head explodes*

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Man, it seems as though whenever you arrive, the thread falls into a slumber of inactivity.

This injustice must be rectified.

 

[smokebomb12]

Sorry to break your hopes but--

Robin is a bottom 10 character.

Oh, but yes Mewtwo is probably bottom 5 though lol.

You main Zelda If i'm not mistaken. i think Robin is a great character, you really just need to need to play the MU right.

 

[Champ Gold]

Zelda being the second worst character in the game has nothing to do with the fact that Robin is bad. Plus being better than Zelda in this game isn't an accomplishment that is worth bragging about.

Plausible list of characters, but Lucina is definitely not a bottom 10 character when you have a frame 10 move that kills at 70%. Charizard is bad but underrated because of his amazing grab game and punish game. An incredibly debatable opinion but I think Dedede, Ganondorf and Mii Sword are about the same level or slightly better than Robin. They all have very flawed character gameplans that does work from time to time, but are very exploitable due to their glaring weaknesses. In the case of Robin, he has poor speed, gimpable recovery, poor OoS options and the fact that his best moves have freaking limited uses.

I can see Charizard and Dedede being underrated but Ganondorf is much more worst than Robin. The sole fact that his projectiles can create a wall against him is the thing.

>Lucina
>not being the worst FE character in Smash

Having a 10 frame F-Smash that kills early isn't special at all. Considering Mac has better framedata than her proves that point. Her aerials aren't good, she's built to be a rushdown character compared to Marth's spacing and Roy's punishment game and can't do any of that shows how horrid she is. You're understating Robin more than anyone else.

Lucina isn't worst but she sure as hell bottom 5 with Palutena, Samus, Mewtwo and a certain sassy princess.

 

[SBphiloz4]

You main Zelda If i'm not mistaken. i think Robin is a great character, you really just need to need to play the MU right.

Again, me being a Zelda main has nothing to do with my opinion that Robin is bad. The MU is actually quite even IMO between Zelda and Robin but that does not have to do with their overall standing in the tier list.

I can see Charizard and Dedede being underrated but Ganondorf is much more worst than Robin. The sole fact that his projectiles can create a wall against him is the thing.

>Lucina
>not being the worst FE character in Smash

Having a 10 frame F-Smash that kills early isn't special at all. Considering Mac has better framedata than her proves that point. Her aerials aren't good, she's built to be a rushdown character compared to Marth's spacing and Roy's punishment game and can't do any of that shows how horrid she is. You're understating Robin more than anyone else.

Lucina isn't worst but she sure as hell bottom 5 with Palutena, Samus, Mewtwo and a certain sassy princess.

The fact that Ganondorf loses to Robin doesn't mean Ganondorf is a worse character than Robin. If ZSS loses to Game and Watch, that doesn't mean she's worse than the 2D guy. I personally think Robin struggles in a lot of MUs because of his speed and inefficient zoning that works on characters like as mentioned before, Ganondorf. But many characters can overwhelm Robin even in the mid and low tiers because he's so slow and gimpable, and his zoning is okay, but definitely not amazing and holds him back.

I don't see how Lucina is considered more of a rush down character than Marth where they literally have the same moveset but one has tipper where the other has reliability. It's not like Lucina has shorter range than Marth, or she can't be played similarly like Marth because she doesn't have a precise area that hits stronger. I'd argue Lucina has more advantageous positions than Marth because he relies on tipper spacing much more whereas Lucina can do whatever and go ham and kill early when she wants to.

If we are to argue that Lucina is worse because she has to do something different from Marth, might as well call Dark Pit the worst character in the game.

 

[Symphonia]

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[Champ Gold]

Again, me being a Zelda main has nothing to do with my opinion that Robin is bad. The MU is actually quite even IMO between Zelda and Robin but that does not have to do with their overall standing in the tier list.

The fact that Ganondorf loses to Robin doesn't mean Ganondorf is a worse character than Robin. If ZSS loses to Game and Watch, that doesn't mean she's worse than the 2D guy. I personally think Robin struggles in a lot of MUs because of his speed and inefficient zoning that works on characters like as mentioned before, Ganondorf. But many characters can overwhelm Robin even in the mid and low tiers because he's so slow and gimpable, and his zoning is okay, but definitely not amazing and holds him back.

I don't see how Lucina is considered more of a rush down character than Marth where they literally have the same moveset but one has tipper where the other has reliability. It's not like Lucina has shorter range than Marth, or she can't be played similarly like Marth because she doesn't have a precise area that hits stronger. I'd argue Lucina has more advantageous positions than Marth because he relies on tipper spacing much more whereas Lucina can do whatever and go ham and kill early when she wants to.

If we are to argue that Lucina is worse because she has to do something different from Marth, might as well call Dark Pit the worst character in the game.

Man y'all Zelda mains don't know jack. Lucina isn't even close to being even mid tier level. She has absolutely nothing remotely good aside from having a better recovery than Marth and Roy. Her throw setups are ****, her aerials aren't even remotely good. Her attacks aren't anything special considering her tilts don't have the advantage of spacing like Marth does or the setups like Roy. A Marth with no sweet spot is especially glaring because if you haven't notice, if your name isn't Roy or Shulk, swordfighters aren't anywhere being heavily viable at all.

Marth's range is crap now in Smash 4 compared to Melee and Brawl. So you know what that means, Lucina has to be up close and personal and she sucks in that regard. Bring similar to Marth means jack and ****.

Pit and Pitto have no significant difference, none unless you want different type of arrows and Side-B and it isn't anything special. That's why Pit and Dark Pit never separate each other from tier list. But Marth and Lucina are separated by atleast 1-2 tiers.

And saying Robin is worst than Ganondorf?
You are crazy and you don't know anything.

>oh but his recovery is solo gimpable
5-6 characters have gimpable recoveries just as bad as him with with & being easiest to gimp.

And Robin has much better matchups than Ganondorf and more than the bottom 10 than you think. Am I saying he's high tier, hell no.


But bottom five?
You must be smoking something good. He's atleast mid low at worst and mid at best. Mobility is his weakness but spacing and powerful projectiles is gonna keep him/her at the middle of the pack than the bottom of the barrel

 

[Moydow]

This is the worst thing about trying to build supports in the GBA games
RIP my turn count ranking

 

[ThunderSageNun]

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This is the worst thing about trying to build supports in the GBA games

Long live the Path of Radiance support system. At least you're most back to the better Fire Emblem ganes.

 

[Nah]

ok so....

Robin is mid-tier

and Lucina's not bottom 10, she's mid-tier too

What Lucina IS bottom 10 in though is tournament relevancy. If I understand her correctly, she's not a rushdown character, and you play her similarly to Marth; the whole spacing/footsies/poking game. You want to mainly hit them with the tip of her Falchion. Just because she doesn't have sourspots on her blade doesn't mean you wanna get closer than you have to. But since Marth has tippers, he gets rewarded more for the gameplan the two of them do. Fact of the matter is that Marth can kill you at 80% center stage with tipper Fsmash, and Lucina has to wait another 40% to do that. So in a purely play-to-win environment, there's no real reason to use the Ylissean Princess over the Hero King.

And with Robin, I agree that her crap mobility, difficulty landing/lack of recovery mixups, and rather average frame data hold her back. It really does. In a game where those things are by far the most important (besides having the ability to reliably kill), there's only so far you can go up the list really. But she has enough strengths to keep her out of the low and bottom tiers: Disjoints, zoning tools, raw kill power, and command grab that heals significantly aren't to be ignored. She's by no means a bad character.

and there is me running my mouth

 

[SBphiloz4]

Man y'all Zelda mains don't know jack. Lucina isn't even close to being even mid tier level. She has absolutely nothing remotely good aside from having a better recovery than Marth and Roy. Her throw setups are ****, her aerials aren't even remotely good. Her attacks aren't anything special considering her tilts don't have the advantage of spacing like Marth does or the setups like Roy. A Marth with no sweet spot is especially glaring because if you haven't notice, if your name isn't Roy or Shulk, swordfighters aren't anywhere being heavily viable at all.

Marth's range is crap now in Smash 4 compared to Melee and Brawl. So you know what that means, Lucina has to be up close and personal and she sucks in that regard. Bring similar to Marth means jack and ****.

Pit and Pitto have no significant difference, none unless you want different type of arrows and Side-B and it isn't anything special. That's why Pit and Dark Pit never separate each other from tier list. But Marth and Lucina are separated by atleast 1-2 tiers.

And saying Robin is worst than Ganondorf?
You are crazy and you don't know anything.

>oh but his recovery is solo gimpable
5-6 characters have gimpable recoveries just as bad as him with with & being easiest to gimp.

And Robin has much better matchups than Ganondorf and more than the bottom 10 than you think. Am I saying he's high tier, hell no.


But bottom five?
You must be smoking something good. He's atleast mid low at worst and mid at best. Mobility is his weakness but spacing and powerful projectiles is gonna keep him/her at the middle of the pack than the bottom of the barrel

Please do not generalize my opinion with other Zelda mains as this is between me and you only. And Lucina does not have a better recovery than Marth, didn't know where you got that from and frankly can hurt your arguments with misinformation. Also Shulk isn't as good as you think, partially because of his unfortunate frame data. Marth and Lucina did get much needed buffs in their frame data that helps them tremendously and give them some advantages over Shulk. Jab set ups, more combos, less lag, the ability to break out of combo strings with UpB, shield pressure, the list goes on. Their range is not amazing but just because it's worse than in Brawl doesn't automatically make them bad, nor does it make Lucina bottom 5 by default. Lucina can still space her moves, just that in tipper range it doesn't do as much, but any pixels closer and she is doing more than her counterpart.

Being gimpable is a weakness that plagues Robin but that alone isn't the reason why Robin is not good. People with bad recoveries are still decent such as a few of the characters you mentioned. Ness and Luigi especially have faulty recoveries but have many attributes that help them stay onstage and maintain control of the match, such as their grab game. Robin can't unfortunately keep his stage control as well because of his speed and lack of reliable ways to alleviate pressure against him. Also I did not say that he is bottom 5, but bottom 10 is certainly a possibility because of what I have mentioned.

Accusing me of calling me crazy and "smokin' some'in real good" because I believe in something different from you is actually quite rude. I've stated my reasons why Robin is not great IMO and wanted to see a fair argument to see why people might think otherwise, but instead I get quite a demeaning comment for stating my opinions.

 

[Avokha]

Again, me being a Zelda main has nothing to do with my opinion that Robin is bad. The MU is actually quite even IMO between Zelda and Robin but that does not have to do with their overall standing in the tier list.

The fact that Ganondorf loses to Robin doesn't mean Ganondorf is a worse character than Robin. If ZSS loses to Game and Watch, that doesn't mean she's worse than the 2D guy. I personally think Robin struggles in a lot of MUs because of his speed and inefficient zoning that works on characters like as mentioned before, Ganondorf. But many characters can overwhelm Robin even in the mid and low tiers because he's so slow and gimpable, and his zoning is okay, but definitely not amazing and holds him back.

I don't see how Lucina is considered more of a rush down character than Marth where they literally have the same moveset but one has tipper where the other has reliability. It's not like Lucina has shorter range than Marth, or she can't be played similarly like Marth because she doesn't have a precise area that hits stronger. I'd argue Lucina has more advantageous positions than Marth because he relies on tipper spacing much more whereas Lucina can do whatever and go ham and kill early when she wants to.

If we are to argue that Lucina is worse because she has to do something different from Marth, might as well call Dark Pit the worst character in the game.

Man y'all Zelda mains don't know jack. Lucina isn't even close to being even mid tier level. She has absolutely nothing remotely good aside from having a better recovery than Marth and Roy. Her throw setups are ****, her aerials aren't even remotely good. Her attacks aren't anything special considering her tilts don't have the advantage of spacing like Marth does or the setups like Roy. A Marth with no sweet spot is especially glaring because if you haven't notice, if your name isn't Roy or Shulk, swordfighters aren't anywhere being heavily viable at all.

Marth's range is crap now in Smash 4 compared to Melee and Brawl. So you know what that means, Lucina has to be up close and personal and she sucks in that regard. Bring similar to Marth means jack and ****.

Pit and Pitto have no significant difference, none unless you want different type of arrows and Side-B and it isn't anything special. That's why Pit and Dark Pit never separate each other from tier list. But Marth and Lucina are separated by atleast 1-2 tiers.

And saying Robin is worst than Ganondorf?
You are crazy and you don't know anything.

>oh but his recovery is solo gimpable
5-6 characters have gimpable recoveries just as bad as him with with & being easiest to gimp.

And Robin has much better matchups than Ganondorf and more than the bottom 10 than you think. Am I saying he's high tier, hell no.


But bottom five?
You must be smoking something good. He's atleast mid low at worst and mid at best. Mobility is his weakness but spacing and powerful projectiles is gonna keep him/her at the middle of the pack than the bottom of the barrel

Oh my goodness, let's not start a war in here plz, I thought the tacticians and gorlz were buddys

 

[SBphiloz4]

Oh my goodness, let's not start a war in here plz, I thought the tacticians and gorlz were buddys

Don't worry, the other gorls and tacticians are totally buddies and I hope our discussion doesn't detriment that. Me included, I still love you guys.

It's just that I'm being seen as the red unit for having a different opinion.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Oh my goodness, let's not start a war in here plz, I thought the tacticians and gorlz were buddys

Nah, Zelda's are too sassy (jk luv u gorls <3).
I hope Atlus finally gives a release date for Persona 5 now that it was confirmed for TGS (even if its delayed to 2016).

 

[Baskerville]

Don't worry, the other gorls and tacticians are totally buddies and I hope our discussion doesn't detriment that. Me included, I still love you guys.

It's just that I'm being seen as the red unit for having a different opinion.

More like.
Red Tyrant.

 

[Ffamran]

More like.
Red Tyrant.

Did you call?

Also, OG Robin in the house with my man, PK Ness.

 

[Neoleo21]

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This is the worst thing about trying to build supports in the GBA games
RIP my turn count ranking

And there's the reason the support system was bad in the GBA games, so tedious for only two chains max with a possible conclusion.

 

[AirshBornely]

I don't even... Hahahaha!

 

[SkarmNightmare (Brett)]

#10? We in there

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Ok but Robin gorls how can you think Zelda is Zeldawful when people are asking to

?

 

[smokebomb12]

@ Champ Gold

Ok but Robin gorls how can you think Zelda is Zeldawful when people are asking to

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I don't have a problem with Zelda.

 

[Zantetsugun]

Oh Gods, TIER DISCUSSION???!!!

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At least we all agree that is SSSS Tier, right?

 

[SkarmNightmare (Brett)]

i got on ladder and instantly found a spamic

i'm on ladder to get away from for glory bs, but it followed me there

 

[~Skelly~]

Hi gais, what's going o...

*sees tier discussion* *gasps*

*starts to fade* tiersaredumbtiersaredumbtiersaredumbnotworthmytimenotworthmytimenotworthmytimenotworthmytimenotworthmytimenotworthmytimenotworthmytimenotworthmytime *fades*

 

[Chapter Serf]

Oh Gods, TIER DISCUSSION???!!!

Spoiler

At least we all agree that is SSSS Tier, right?

 

[SkarmNightmare (Brett)]

yes, the sonic beat me because i'm trash and i should quit the game but i don't because i enjoy suffering

 

[Deleted member]

Came here to have a good time only to find out we're talking about tiers.
Especially since my main is considered trash. D:

No bueno.

 

[Soul.]

what's this about tiers.
also re: , I think everyone should know by now that Marth is better. like, I don't see the point in using her competitively unless you love forward smash
edit: she's still better than most bottom tiers but u get the point.

 

[The Merc]

Sorry to break your hopes but--

Robin is a bottom 10 character.

Oh, but yes Mewtwo is probably bottom 5 though lol.

Yeah Robin is not exactly the best character in the game...
Although some of the folks in this thread make it seem otherwise.

...I still can't beat Robins

I have no idea why you guys would say that.

>Robin
>Bottom 10

Bro, bro. There's no way in hell I believe that.
are worst off than Robin is. Especially considering he might be mid tier at the highest.

And is just as bad as he is but is seem as better

I asume this is without custom since Mii Swordfighter would not be that low with Customs.

And what in Naga's name is doing so low?

 

[~Skelly~]

I dont like tiers (as my previous post nicely stated), but its good to know that my main is near the top of the heap. All we need is to nerf 's ******* needles, 's Lumas' HP, and remove either the bury effect or the meteor effect from 's down - b (that **** should not be allowed to do BOTH! PERIOD!) and the green king will finally achieve his destiny as the one top tier.

Go!

 

[Devil May Plop]

Did you call?

Also, OG Robin in the house with my man, PK Ness.

...Were you always a mod?

#10? We in there

Awesome!


Can I just say that this picture is awesome?

Chris: Thanks
Leon: Glad you're here
Axel: I'm the Bare Knuckle even though they're covered by a glove
Vashyron: I'll bring out my trusty magnum
Zephyr: What are you morons doing?