ElvenKing
Smash Apprentice
That is nonsense. Existence itself is property. That is why one can refer to can refer to an "actual unicorn" and say it is non-existent. That a unicorn lacks the property of existence in the physical world.I reject this notion entirely. Existence is the basis needed to apply properties in the first place; it cannot itself be described as a property.
The concepts both exist, but you'll find that in the case of the unicorn, you are giving attributes solely to the concept. If I may explain:
Conceptual Elephant
Attributes:
–Is gray
–Weighs about a ton
–Has a trunk
Conceptual Unicorn
Attributes:
–White
–Has a horn
–Farts rainbows
Actual Elephant
Attributes:
–Is gray
–Weighs about a ton
–Has a trunk
Actual Unicorn
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There is no actual unicorn in the first place; as such, it cannot have attributes at all – let alone "exists". Existence simply is not an attribute.
The concept of time has properties. We cannot establish, however, that actual time even exists.
There is actually no difference between existence in the two examples. The attributes of the unicorn are coherent, meaningful concepts, which if they did exist, would be exactly as proposed int the concept. A presence of the property of existence, specifically, whether or not the conceptualised creature exists in the physical world, is the difference between the two situations.
Since "actual time" is made up of those properties of the concept of time, there is no difference between the concept of "time" and its properties. If the properties of the concept of time are so, then so is actual time.
That doesn't actually work because any truth that is perceived, we have a concept of it, which in any case refers to its precise nature. Existence is a property of concepts(we conceptualise that something exists in a particular way), but concepts are also a product of existence, namely when a concept is accurate, it reflects the truth of what is. If existence of something were merely a matter of holding the concept of it, it would produce a situation where anything you conceived would be considered to exist(as anything conceived would exist) and there could be nothing existing which you had not conceived(as existence does not exist as a property outside of what is conceived).But I'm only saying existence is only a property of concepts. So in the case of concepts, existence is a property of those concepts that actually do exist. I'm not saying existence is a property of existing things (even though it is, but it is a redundant attribute for obvious reasons).
Existence being the property of existing things is actually the point. Ignoring that is why Budget Player Cadet has made an error. It isn't a redundant attribute, but rather, for the purposes of this discussion, the most important one there is.