throwing for %!!

[WITH]

This is a problem with a lot of characters, but its in my opinion very important for PT... I see people doing down throws with charizard and squirtle on opponents with low %s. This is a big mistake that stems from melee where everyone could combo out of down throws.

Their down throws have the most knockback, but do the least damage. Additionally, you cannot combo out of them against a decent opponent who knows how to DI.

Most importantly, though, is that it diminishes these throws which are good killing moves. Save the down throws for killing.

So basically I am saying that turning your default throws into up or side throws will add a little more of an edge to your game with Squirtle and Charizard. You will get a little more % per throw and your down throws will be at full power when you need them for kills.

 

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

unless of course you're confident that you have a good chance of getting a low% gimp edgeguard kill.

...which i rarely am.

 

[Chaotic Yoshi]

This is a problem with a lot of characters, but its in my opinion very important for PT... I see people doing down throws with charizard and squirtle on opponents with low %s. This is a big mistake that stems from melee where everyone could combo out of down throws.

You are absolutely right, whenever I see people do this I see them as a bad player. Even worse is when they don't do a grab attack, even once, before wasting their dthrow.

unless of course you're confident that you have a good chance of getting a low% gimp edgeguard kill.

Their fthrow and bthrow are far better for setting up an edgeguard. Their dthrow can be DIed STRAIGHT UP much easier than the other two throws. Squirtle bthrow is a low angle bthrow and a very good edgeguard setup.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

eh i make this mistake......I need to change my throws back and start using grab attacks........meh :/

 

[Yukiwarashi]

I have to say I only do that with Squirtle, but not all of the time. If anything, I need to start using Charizard's down throw even more...I usually find him in position to use his back throw more than anything.

 

[washy]

Their down throws have the most knockback, but do the least damage. Additionally, you cannot combo out of them against a decent opponent who knows how to DI.

when ever i watch some one down throw at low% i seriously get pissed off. It just annoys me

 

[Retro Gaming]

This OP is totally correct. Fthrow and Bthrow are much better with both, the other two are almost completely worthless except as kill moves.

By the way, stage gimps are still easier with Fthrow and Bthrow on Charizard. They put them a good distance if thrown from the edge for a Dair. As in, very close to you.

 

[SrL04]

I just do D throw cause it looks the coolest-

 

[PkTrainerCris]

Wow you are abosolute right, i do save my dtrhow with squirtle for killing, but most times i save it for having a space to switch to ivysaur, i use it a lot with ivysaur but the throw i use the most with her is Uthrow, for obvius reasons(love when ivy is under my oponent), also i dont know if her dthrow has ko potential, if it does, its less than the other two. But with charizard, i use all teh four throws at low percents, i think specially the Dthrow( its just soooooooooo cool, i cannot ressist XD), so i think i gotta change that, thanks for the advice, didnt think abot that before , i was wondering why my dthrow didnt kill XD, but anymay,although your advice is very good, charizard has a lot of more options to kill.

 

[Retro Gaming]

Ivy SHOULD actually be abusing the Dthrow. Bthrow has the most kill potential on Ivysaur, but its the worst of the three Pokemon for throw kills.

 

[Raiderwarlord99]

I know I'm guily of this with Zard. When I grab my friend I did a down throw without really thinking about it. I mentally beat myself up everytime i did too cause I was taking away 1 of my killing options. I have to learn to utulize his other throws in my playstyle.

 

[infernovia]

Uthrow for the juggle and Fthrow/backthrow for the damage.

 

[PltnmNgl]

Uthrow for the juggle and Fthrow/backthrow for the damage.

QFT.

Pick an edge
Throw to that edge
Gay/Spike
If you can't, keep racking damage with juggles...
wash, rinse, repeat

By the way, Char and Squirt's Dthrows kill at 130%

 

[Pichu Sensei]

So it's ok to spam Rock smash up the wazz, yet when somebody dthrows at low % it automatically makes them a bad player? tsk tsk

 

[Homelessvagrant]

well rock smash is just better to spam then dthrowing, though honestly i don't see it worthy of the "bad player" call. it just means they are hindered in that area.

 

[WITH]

So it's ok to spam Rock smash up the wazz, yet when somebody dthrows at low % it automatically makes them a bad player? tsk tsk

rock smash can do 45% or whatever, why wouldnt you spam it? down throw does 7% while other throws do 9, 10, or 11%....so why would you do it?

 

[Pichu Sensei]

rock smash can do 45% or whatever, why wouldnt you spam it? down throw does 7% while other throws do 9, 10, or 11%....so why would you do it?

Because ANYONE can repeatedly use rock smash over and over again. If you spam rock smash, you're begging to be beaten in a ditto by a PT nub.

Why use down throw instead of the others?
1) because 3% damage doesn't matter much to me, I can easily make it up by just pressing A for a hit.
2) because it looks so friggin awesome. I mean, come on! What's not to love about breathing fire into people's faces?

 

[Retro Gaming]

But, you'll incur stale moves effect earlier, and when you actually need the throw for a kill, you won't be able to get the same amount of knockback. Plus, they're all more or less even at lower percents, so Fair and Bair are usually more than enough to get them off the stage for a spike.

 

[NoobCake]

I make this mistake sometimes.

Dammit, Charizard's down-throw just looks so **** badass.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

For me, Charizard's grab is actually the primary attack that I use. :/ That and his Dtilt/AAA combo.

 

[Pichu Sensei]

But, you'll incur stale moves effect earlier, and when you actually need the throw for a kill, you won't be able to get the same amount of knockback. Plus, they're all more or less even at lower percents, so Fair and Bair are usually more than enough to get them off the stage for a spike.

The down throws are lethal at 150%. The problem with me is that my opponent never makes it past 130% before I kill him.

 

[WITH]

Because ANYONE can repeatedly use rock smash over and over again. If you spam rock smash, you're begging to be beaten in a ditto by a PT nub.

first of all, PT dittos arent exactly the most common matchup, and secondly, if its the best strategy, NOT using it in dittos will get u in trouble when your opponent uses it. Besides, ever hear of adapting to your oponent??

Why use down throw instead of the others?
1) because 3% damage doesn't matter much to me, I can easily make it up by just pressing A for a hit.
2) because it looks so friggin awesome. I mean, come on! What's not to love about breathing fire into people's faces?

I can't believe u are arguing by saying it looks cool. Maybe thats why YOU use it, but that doesn't make it the best strategy. Thats kind of the point in this thread. And if u can get 3% more damage + the same jabs u would use to make up for it, why wouldn't you?

 

[Pichu Sensei]

I should probably use more smileys. otherwise people will think I'm serious.

 

[Retro Gaming]

Plus, they're all more or less even at lower percents.

The down throws are lethal at 150%. The problem with me is that my opponent never makes it past 130% before I kill him.

They should be lethal quite some time before 150%, by the way. 130% is usually kill, and if it doesn't just gimp their recovery.

 

[Pichu Sensei]

They should be lethal quite some time before 150%, by the way. 130% is usually kill, and if it doesn't just gimp their recovery.

omg, I'm just kidding, I know all this stuff about throwing. I just think charizards looks cool.

 

[Retro Gaming]

Oh, good.

Use italics, then. =P

 

[Pichu Sensei]

Oh, good.

Use italics, then. =P

nonsense!!!

 

[Hydde]

With squirt and zard abuse forward and back throws......
If u wanna use squirts dthorw use it when the opponent is in 0% to start a juggle with fairs or something, and dont use it again until u can kill with it, or until u wanna change.

Squirts downthrow kills pracically everyone who is above 140% (if he is not tired).
Zards dthrow kills above 150% (not always).

Use them wisely!°.

 

[bottesini]

On the bigger characters you can usually just run up to them after a d-throw with Charizard and rock smash or grab again.

 

[Retro Gaming]

I'm assuming you mean at lower percents, so you can just use Bair, then.

 

[Ryos4]

Well for charizard. I like his D throw, its nice for my style and sets up combos for me, that or the up throw. I never use Charizards Dthrow to kill anyway, most kills are aerials or well timed Fsmashes. Charizard is my best of the 3 anyway, he plays almost as well if not better then my pit. Why mess with a good thing.