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Three Years of Speculating SSB 3DS & Wii U has come to a close... (SPOILER WARNING)

What are you looking forward to the most?

  • Veterans

    Votes: 88 49.4%
  • Newcomers

    Votes: 124 69.7%
  • Online

    Votes: 85 47.8%
  • Smash Run (on 3DS only)

    Votes: 47 26.4%
  • Single-Player

    Votes: 60 33.7%
  • Multi-player

    Votes: 97 54.5%
  • Musics

    Votes: 80 44.9%
  • Gameplay

    Votes: 106 59.6%
  • Stages

    Votes: 70 39.3%
  • Items

    Votes: 43 24.2%
  • Interconnectivity between the 3DS and Wii U

    Votes: 39 21.9%
  • Others (please specify)

    Votes: 14 7.9%

  • Total voters
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Wow...

Over three years have passed since I started to actively speculate right before E3 2011. It's hard to imagine that after all of these years that we are at the cusp of seeing Super Smash Bros. 3DS release in Japan. On October 3rd, the rest of the world will also get the game with the Wii U version following this holiday. It is also today when I officially retire my speculation hat; the past three years have been an unforgettable ride. I am glad that it has all ended yesterday with the confirmation of the final roster.

Yesterday has been a chaotic day. The leak roster is indeed the final roster. With fifty-one characters, it boasts eighteen additions (including the return of Dr. Mario) and reveals the last three unknown newcomers; those being Dark Pit, Bowser Jr., and Duck Hunt Dog. Six cuts have also been made; those being Squirtle, Ivysaur, Snake, Lucas, Wolf, and Ice Climbers. As the roster has turned out differently from what people have expected, naturally this has caused a lot of disappointments among the community (although there has been quite a few cases of unacceptable slander of Sakurai occurring). Let it be known that I do feel your pain; I have been through the feeling of being crushed before when Mega Man didn't get in Brawl and the five Melee veterans being cut from Brawl. In fact, be lying if I said I didn't have quite a few things for this game's roster I wished had turned out better.

First off, I am disappointed that DK has received practically no new contents this game. As someone that was strongly against cuts, losing six veterans and not having Mewtwo return stings badly; especially as someone that played with Wolf a lot. I am also sadden that Ridley will probably never be playable in a Smash game and that Ganondorf will probably never be lugified (though hopefully he's a considerably better character this time around). Mii Fighters were also underwhelming for me as I had high expectations for the Miis and didn't like how they turned out and I would have preferred that Dark Pit remained an alt costume for Pit (even if it had meant less character). But even with my disappointments with certain parts of the roster, there is still much about the roster to be celebrated.

Fire Emblem was finally done justice. Robin's inclusion proved that a character did not have to be a blue-haired Lord to be playable and can use weapons other than swords to fight. Many people thought that Animal Crossing was never going to get a playable character, yet Villager made a surprising debut at E3 2013 much to the delight of many fans. Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt Dog were very nice surprises for me; Bowser Jr. has a cool play style while being on the Clown Cart with Koopalings as alt characters (OMG HYPE!) and I love the retro reference that Duck Hunt Dog makes with his moves and taunts (and I find him to be hilarious). One of the primary issues people had with Brawl's roster was that it lacked in new series and this game has fixed that. Of the eighteen additions for this game, ten are from new series (counting Mii Fighters separately, so eight new series were introduced this game), which is impressive considering that the bar was set low for new series additions (before E3 2013, people generally expected only four to six new series). Uniqueness has also been a defining theme for non-cloned newcomers for this game; each characters has a play style that no other characters has emulated and when it comes to game play, this batch of newcomers has been the best. But for me, Mega Man's inclusion was the definitive highlight. A legendary icon, Mega Man was one of the most wanted characters for this game and was added because of fan demand. He is also one of the most unique characters of the game; the Robot Master weapons reflects an iconic part of Mega Man where he uses weapons from robots he defeats and Smash is oozing with tribute to Mega Man. Despite the backlash the roster is currently receiving, I would say that the roster has turned out decently all things considered.

And there's also other things not related to characters that are exciting. I really do like the aesthetic for this game. Looking back at Brawl, the game had a relatively drably aesthetic for characters and looked sort of out of place. But this time, the game looks brighter and characters look considerably better (I love Pikachu's new design; it seems as it gets better each game). Smash Run on the 3DS looks so much fun; it's the glorified Melee Adventure Mode that I wanted so much for this game. Classic Mode is something I am very excited about as well; there's more options for fighting characters. As I was watching the stream, I saw the Master Core fight and it was awesome (especially when it was fought on 9.0, my jaws dropped). Race to the Finish seems to be back (or at least in some form) and I really like the improvements that have been made to online. And like previous games, the music is fantastic. The main theme is my favorite of all four games and I'm blown away at many of the remixes (Spark Man, the various Main Theme remixes, the Result Screen, etc). Most of my complaints with Brawl have been fixed or at least been improved upon which very much pleases me.

I understand that certain part of the character roster can be disappointing, but just look at how much we have gained. Not only have the newcomers we have seen are mostly great to excellent, the game as a whole looks to be a considerable step-up from Brawl. As someone that has been following this game, all of these things immensely excite me for this game and I cannot wait until I get the game on the Wii U at launch (for the 3DS version, I am waiting until the new 3DS comes out since I don't have a 3DS). This is the game I've been waiting for three years and there's not really too much else for me to ask for (outside of character, but I'm okay with what we've got even if it is lacking in some areas).

But really, I'm just glad that characters speculation for the initial roster is over. It has been a great experience for me and I really have learned a lot from it, including some life lessons that I've learned. I've made some of my best friends on this site and despite how flawed the Smash community might be, I still can't help but feel glad that I got the chance to be part of Smashboards during the pre-SSB4 speculation era. However, like many, I am totally burnt out of speculation and I intend to permanently move on from it. I have no intentions of speculating future DLC characters (if any) or future Smash games; I mainly intend to spend my remaining time on here with my friends and maybe discussing how the characters play (as well as other aspects of the game). While I may not have gotten every character I want (or most that I expected and supported for that matter), I can at least say one thing. With the game finally released, I am at last at peace with Smash.

A toast to the end of speculation and to the birth of a new cycle of Smash!
 
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Hear, hear! Its been a roller coaster.
That's an underestimate. It was a megaton of crazy and hilarious in hindsight.
I checked every box. I couldn't help it. Its a new freaking Smash Bros. It only comes once every console generation! What CAN'T I be excited about?
Smash is lot like a special event. Nothing in the gaming world gets me more excited than Super Smash Bros.
 

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Sadly, they seriously dropped the ball when it came to newcomers this time. There's only one I intend to ever play as. The rest range from "meh" to "UGH". And the loss of multiple veterans is always a very bad thing.

That said, Sak's finally got his senses together when it comes to the engine, so I guess I'll still buy it.
 
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Checked everything but items. How dare they cut the Fan.

But really, I'm looking forward to it all. Very excited, shame I have to wait three more weeks for the full thing. At least I can practice some Megaman when we get the demo.
 

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Now to speculate the wii u modes and the rest of the stages

And also seeing if dlc characters is a thing in smash 4 (not getting hopes up i promise.)
 

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I chose most of the boxes, while "other" was for Balancing. I'm looking forward to this so much.
 

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Checked everything but items. How dare they cut the Fan.

But really, I'm looking forward to it all. Very excited, shame I have to wait three more weeks for the full thing. At least I can practice some Megaman when we get the demo.
Did they seriously cut the Fan!!??

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Sad lyfe...

Ehem, "wipes eyes". Anyway, I checked the vast majority of the boxes. I'm in agreement that some things could have been done better with the roster, but I guess that's just my opinion. As much as I am disappointed that the Big 3 didn't get in, and that some series are being absurdly shafted in terms of representation, there are enough interesting newcomers and veteran re-vamps to keep my excitement up. Not to mention the changes to game-play that are hopefully for the better, and that online will be vastly improved by the looks of things.
 
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Yeah......what a day....and to some of you guys got the US demo, can you local play with other region Smash Bros demo?
 

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Well said.

The roster is a good compromise I think. The Brawl cuts were bad. As was having too much Kid Icarus and Pokemon representation. But in the positive side not having Ridley as a playable character is great news. I'm glad Nintendo didn't give into to the public demand there.

I think every Smash will have character cuts. Just like every Mario Kart has track cuts. But I think Smash4 will be very good. It's seems to be a great game for what it is. Even if the fan is cut. I quite liked the fan. When the WiiU version rolls around I'll enjoy what is there accept that cuts have to happen and that over representation will happen too as the game is only made by people and people are not perfect.

I think we need to enjoy smash4 for what it is and not wish it was a 2nd Brawl or a 2nd Melee.
 
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Sorry I haven't had time to read everyone's opinions, but I say the speculation isn't over. We can still speculate about DLC (who is in it, what stages and any assists).
 

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Well said.

The roster is a good compromise I think. The Brawl cuts were bad. As was having too much Kid Icarus and Pokemon representation. But in the positive side not having Ridley as a playable character is great news. I'm glad Nintendo didn't give into to the public demand there.
I'm hoping that is sarcasm...

Ridley is the only logical choice for a new metroid rep, and none of the arguments against him(especially the pitiful size one) hold any water.

Add in how sakurai teased the hell out of him from the very beginning, and it was honestly a very very dickish move by him to not include him as playable.

He should of just outright said he was a stageboss and nothing more, instead of teasing the holy living hell out of him. Toon link became both a stage backround character, and playable, so their was no reason ridley couldn't of been both a stage boss and playable.
 

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I'm hoping that is sarcasm...
Not at all. I was being truthful. I am so very glad Ridley is not a playable character in Smash4.

Q: You want a new Metroid series character?
A: A Metroid. They are iconic to the game series and would work with a little work.
 
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Not at all. I was being truthful. I am so very glad Ridley is not a playable character in Smash4.

Q: You want a new Metroid series character?
A: A Metroid. They are iconic to the game series and would work with a little work.
*Coughdarksamuscough*
 
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Now to speculate the wii u modes and the rest of the stages

And also seeing if dlc characters is a thing in smash 4 (not getting hopes up i promise.)
Even if DLC characters do happen, I really don't care what happens at this point. Sakurai has worked extremely hard to make the best Smash game possible and remember that at the end of the day, DLC characters are extras that will add on to an already great game.

Sakurai and Namco can do whatever with want with DLC. As long as they do great things with it (just look at Mario Kat 8's awesome DLC), they're free to take more of my money.
Yeah......what a day....and to some of you guys got the US demo, can you local play with other region Smash Bros demo?
I don't have a 3DS yet (and likely won't be getting one until the new 3DS): :(

At least I'll be getting the Wii U version on launch.
Well said.

The roster is a good compromise I think. The Brawl cuts were bad. As was having too much Kid Icarus and Pokemon representation. But in the positive side not having Ridley as a playable character is great news. I'm glad Nintendo didn't give into to the public demand there.

I think every Smash will have character cuts. Just like every Mario Kart has track cuts. But I think Smash4 will be very good. It's seems to be a great game for what it is. Even if the fan is cut. I quite liked the fan. When the WiiU version rolls around I'll enjoy what is there accept that cuts have to happen and that over representation will happen too as the game is only made by people and people are not perfect.

I think we need to enjoy smash4 for what it is and not wish it was a 2nd Brawl or a 2nd Melee.
I really wouldn't count the exclusion of the central Metroid antagonist again as a positive. You'd be better off mentioning how Chrom's exclusion was good for Fire Emblem because at least it broke the stereotype that all playable Fire Emblem characters are blue-haired Lords. Still, I agree with everything else.
 
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Not at all. I was being truthful. I am so very glad Ridley is not a playable character in Smash4.

Q: You want a new Metroid series character?
A: A Metroid. They are iconic to the game series and would work with a little work.
Today on unpopular opinions, this guy.
 

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Not at all. I was being truthful. I am so very glad Ridley is not a playable character in Smash4.

Q: You want a new Metroid series character?
A: A Metroid. They are iconic to the game series and would work with a little work.
You may be glad, you and all other haters.
What you problaby only care about is all the people spamming about Ridley on Miiverse, but the real supporters sit back here on the Smashboards, supporters who have wanted him for over 10 years, even some have been waiting 15 years. The real Ridley supports had to put up with the most obnoxious detractors of all time in the gaming history, just because we are madly in love with a character we like to see in Smash, who also would offer something new to the roster, unlike Dark Pit and so on.
 

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So this is the unpopular opinion de la unpopular opinions, but I'm so glad they buffed ganondorf from his brawl version rather than completely changing him. He has all this magical power but instead of barraging people with it he just uses it as a garrote or to propel his punches and kicks. For his taunt he pulls out his sword, looks at it, and is like "nah, I don't need it to kick your ass". He has that swaggin' ganon jog--the immortal demon king has obviously been around the block, but he still maintains good running form.

I loved his playstyle in brawl, and all I wanted was for his tools to be more effective against the rest of the cast. There's no reason a character can't be mid-tier just because he lands fewer, harder hits, and it looks like he's gonna be able to get the job done this time around.

That and he has a custom up-b that's basically like wolf's PM side-b at a higher angle--it's gonna be so hype. I'm really pumped to play the king of evil this time around.
 
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You may be glad, you and all other haters.
What you problaby only care about is all the people spamming about Ridley on Miiverse, but the real supporters sit back here on the Smashboards, supporters who have wanted him for over 10 years, even some have been waiting 15 years. The real Ridley supports had to put up with the most obnoxious detractors of all time in the gaming history, just because we are madly in love with a character we like to see in Smash, who also would offer something new to the roster, unlike Dark Pit and so on.
I wanted Roy in Brawl and Smash4. And I cried over his axing for a long time. But you know what? I eventually got over it and will enjoy Smash4 for what it does have. The Ridley fans should have stopped wanting him in Smash as a PC ages ago. It was never going to happen. Time to move on I think and just enjoy what Smash4 does have.
 

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I'm looking forward to customising move sets and finding the combinations that suit me.

Also, I'm reeeeally hoping for DLC. It's hard to accept the continued lack of Mewtwo.
 
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Well items



THE END for items

The fan and the cracker cannon are gone
Sakurai removed the Cracker Cannon for the sake that everyone would have thought it was the Fireworks Cannon from Kid Icarus. :troll:

It feels strange... 3 years of hype and speculation draws to a close.
 
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I wanted Roy in Brawl and Smash4. And I cried over his axing for a long time. But you know what? I eventually got over it and will enjoy Smash4 for what it does have. The Ridley fans should have stopped wanting him in Smash as a PC ages ago. It was never going to happen. Time to move on I think and just enjoy what Smash4 does have.
People shouldn't have to stop wanting characters if they want them.

There is a difference between seeing a character as likely and wanting a character. For example, I really want Deoxys, Ray (Custom Robo), and Geno in this game, but I knew they probably weren't going to happen. It doesn't make me wrong for having a desire.

In a way, I'm glad the roster turned out the way it did. I really hope that one thing people take away from this is that they shouldn't be afraid of expressing desires for characters they want in, regardless of "likelihood". Characters discussions should be about "why I like this character and how he would be fun to play with" rather than forcing upon us arbitrary rules for how X character is more likely than Y character or why Z character will/won't get in.
 
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People shouldn't have to stop wanting characters if they want them.

There is a difference between seeing a character as likely and wanting a character. For example, I really want Deoxys, Ray (Custom Robo), and Geno in this game, but I knew they probably weren't going to happen. It doesn't make me wrong for having a desire.

In a way, I'm glad the roster turned out the way it did. I really hope that one thing people take away from this is that they shouldn't be afraid of expressing desires for characters they want in, regardless of "likelihood". Characters discussions should be about "why I like this character and how he would be fun to play with" rather than forcing upon us arbitrary rules for how X character is more likely than Y character or why Z character will/won't get in.
Nothing wrong with wanting a character. But knowing the difference between wet dream wants and realistic wants is the key here. Some people have wet dreams about the characters they want without realising those characters will never make it into Smash.
 
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Nothing wrong with wanting a character. But knowing the difference between wet dream wants and realistic wants is the key here. Some people have wet dreams about the characters they want without realising those characters will never make it into Smash.
But the thing is, how are we suppose to know that a want is realistic/unrealistic? This game has shown how little we actually know about what Sakurai thinks in regards to character selections. Only four characters were highly expected (Palutena, Little Mac, Shulk, Pac-Man); the rest were either characters that were generally not expected or the community were divided on their chances of getting in. Not a single person thought of Wii Fit Trainer as a possibility before E3 2013 but she's in the game.

And if we're trying to distinguish between "realistic" and "unrealistic" wants, Mega Man was the only character I wanted that I both predicted and ended up getting. The other two characters I did want; Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt Dog, were not additions I was expecting (especially the latter). I got more of my "unexpected" wants than "expected" wants and I don't think I would be alone in that.
 
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I got more of my "unexpected" wants than "expected" wants and I don't think I would be alone in that.
You explained what I said perfectly. People expect characters in the game like the character has to be in the game or Nintendo screwed up on a big scale. I think it's ok to want a character in the game, but also realise it might not get in and not be so butthurt if the character does not make it.

People know Ridley will not be in the game as a playable character but people are still so butthurt over it. They act like this is some sort of national crime Sakuri has committed. It's not the fact they want a character in the game. That's cool. It's their attitudes surrounding it that is the problem. I am glad Ridley is not in the game as a PC for many reasons but also it shuts up all the butthurt whiners.
 
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People shouldn't have to stop wanting characters if they want them.

There is a difference between seeing a character as likely and wanting a character. For example, I really want Deoxys, Ray (Custom Robo), and Geno in this game, but I knew they probably weren't going to happen. It doesn't make me wrong for having a desire.

In a way, I'm glad the roster turned out the way it did. I really hope that one thing people take away from this is that they shouldn't be afraid of expressing desires for characters they want in, regardless of "likelihood". Characters discussions should be about "why I like this character and how he would be fun to play with" rather than forcing upon us arbitrary rules for how X character is more likely than Y character or why Z character will/won't get in.
This guy gets it.



I would have been laughed at for suggesting this at anytime before the Galaxy stage was revealed, and still would have had many people try to put me down even after that, with claims like "OH WELL TOAD AND WALUIGI ARE MORE IMPORTANT AND COOL IN MY OPINION-MADE-FACT IN MY HEAD OPINION".

But look at how far we've come now! Really applies to a lot of other characters on the roster.

The only characters I don't like on the roster are the new clones and the return of Dr.Mario, especially in relation to the cuts that were made from Brawl. However, other than that, it's a perfect upgrade from Brawl, which I thought would be really difficult as is.
 

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There aren't any veterans that I'm super excited for unfortunately. He cut all my favorites.

Robin & Bowser Jr have me hyped as hell.

I also love single player Smash. Don't get me wrong I also enjoy multiplayer but I feel that gets mundane faster than single player. BACKWARDS, I know, right?!
 

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My votes go to gameplay, online, veterans, and music.

Some of the newcomers are hype but overall I probably won't play them. Awesome editions to the roster though.

Gameplay was a definite pick for me, this feels way more polished than Brawl and when people tell me it's the "same" or similar I get upset. There are differences and I feel like the game just FLOWS and feels better, barring the blastzones(but I can get behind more edgeguarding since most of my characters have good offstage.)

Veterans I picked because hoo boy, childhood bias. Seeing Dr. Mario come back was a dream, and while he was NOT in the slightest bit necessary I will accept it. I rented Dr. Mario 64 weekly as a youngster, and played Dr. Mario on virtually every platform imaginable. Bias ahoy.

Music, oh dear LORD the music. If the 3DS version is ANY indicator of the musical quality and genius we're receiving, then count me in! All of the compositions are good barring 1 or 2, my favorites being Pac-Man's Park, the SMB1 Medley, the SMB3 Medley, Rogueport....Mute City, Air Man's stage, ALL OF IT. My absolute favorite though, is indeed Pac-Man's Park. Dunno why, and I doubt I ever will.

Online was also exciting. I have friends who play Smash online, and now I can finally play them in a drastically improved game with what looks like really really good netcode, in comparison. At least for 1v1s.

These four things are what I look forward to the most, but the game as a whole has just outright impressed me.
 
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This guy gets it.



I would have been laughed at for suggesting this at anytime before the Galaxy stage was revealed, and still would have had many people try to put me down even after that, with claims like "OH WELL TOAD AND WALUIGI ARE MORE IMPORTANT AND COOL IN MY OPINION-MADE-FACT IN MY HEAD OPINION".

But look at how far we've come now! Really applies to a lot of other characters on the roster.

The only characters I don't like on the roster are the new clones and the return of Dr.Mario, especially in relation to the cuts that were made from Brawl. However, other than that, it's a perfect upgrade from Brawl, which I thought would be really difficult as is.
Funny part about this is that I used to be strongly against Rosalina, seeing her as "unworthy" of a spot and a character that didn't interest me because I thought she would be a clone. But looking at her now, she has one of the best game play I have seen out of any characters in the Smash series and I strongly look forward to playing as well. It helped that I liked her as well (but you probably wouldn't notice that before her confirmation).
My votes go to gameplay, online, veterans, and music.

Some of the newcomers are hype but overall I probably won't play them. Awesome editions to the roster though.

Gameplay was a definite pick for me, this feels way more polished than Brawl and when people tell me it's the "same" or similar I get upset. There are differences and I feel like the game just FLOWS and feels better, barring the blastzones(but I can get behind more edgeguarding since most of my characters have good offstage.)

Veterans I picked because hoo boy, childhood bias. Seeing Dr. Mario come back was a dream, and while he was NOT in the slightest bit necessary I will accept it. I rented Dr. Mario 64 weekly as a youngster, and played Dr. Mario on virtually every platform imaginable. Bias ahoy.

Music, oh dear LORD the music. If the 3DS version is ANY indicator of the musical quality and genius we're receiving, then count me in! All of the compositions are good barring 1 or 2, my favorites being Pac-Man's Park, the SMB1 Medley, the SMB3 Medley, Rogueport....Mute City, Air Man's stage, ALL OF IT. My absolute favorite though, is indeed Pac-Man's Park. Dunno why, and I doubt I ever will.

Online was also exciting. I have friends who play Smash online, and now I can finally play them in a drastically improved game with what looks like really really good netcode, in comparison. At least for 1v1s.

These four things are what I look forward to the most, but the game as a whole has just outright impressed me.
I like Dr. Mario as well; particularly Dr. Mario 64 (only rented it a few times though). I'm neutral on his inclusion though, but I'm okay with it all things considered.

My god I love the music, especially Mega Man. Just look at Spark Man, absolutely amazing.

I've been hearing that online netcode has substantially improved. If that is the case, then I am really hyped for the online, especially the Wii U version.
 

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You explained what I said perfectly. People expect characters in the game like the character has to be in the game or Nintendo screwed up on a big scale. I think it's ok to want a character in the game, but also realise it might not get in and not be so butthurt if the character does not make it.

People know Ridley will not be in the game as a playable character but people are still so butthurt over it. They act like this is some sort of national crime Sakuri has committed. It's not the fact they want a character in the game. That's cool. It's their attitudes surrounding it that is the problem. I am glad Ridley is not in the game as a PC for many reasons but also it shuts up all the butthurt whiners.
I just... don't agree with this at all. I'm not really that much of a Ridley person (Though I agree Metroid needs more and Ridley is the best fit for it... way better than a Metroid itself, easily) but in the end, I don't see how it wouldn't be a major victory for most fans. If you don't want a character in and they get in, don't play the character. I don't like DHD and I'll probably play it very few times. But there's no reason to be a **** about it.

The anti-Ridley crowd are a lot more obnoxious than the pro-Ridley crowd. Enough so to make me support him exclusively based on that.

All of this said, I am of the group that believes the roster is incomplete until DLC and the conspicuous lack of anything disconfirming in the 3DS version makes me feel like he's playable. Isaac as well. They didn't have trophies... So, calling it now. I'm going to laugh so hard when/if Ridley is revealed to be playable. And you'll think that Nintendo succumbed to pressure from fans, rather than just acknowledging that Sakurai made a good call to include a popular character.
 

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I'm glad it's over. I have absolutely no desire to repeat the faith, hope, and anxiety I dealt with from Spring 2013 to late summer 2014. I got Mega Man, my absolutely most wanted, but after that? A negative experience with a few exceptions. Little Mac's reveal was a pleasant unsurprise, but it all began to go downhill from there, complete with literally the only four characters I actively opposed getting in at one point or another.

Greninja's reveal worried me, as it made Mewtwo's chances take a massive nosedive. E3 's Smash Bros. content was indescribably disappointing. Robin's reveal proving Gematsu incorrect was a brief moment of hope, but then the ESRB leak came along, and more or less killed my hype. Bowser Jr's inclusion would have made me happy, but it was marred by the rather meh final roster.

In between all this were days of discussion and hope for characters/modes/stages that never happened. Even though I enjoyed the discussion, I can't help but regret how pointless it all was. I wasn't really involved in serious discussions pre-Brawl, and I think that helped me be less disappointed with the final product.

At the end of the day, I think I'm more excited for the returning veterans. Most of the characters I use seem to have been buffed. Bowser's revamp in particular makes me very happy. Not to say that I don't like some of the newcomers, but three out of fifteen isn't much.

I have no doubt that I will enjoy the game regardless of my complaints, but looking back upon my speculation, the highlights of it were not the reveals or the leaks, but discussing what could have been, but ultimately wasn't.
 

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This guy gets it.



I would have been laughed at for suggesting this at anytime before the Galaxy stage was revealed, and still would have had many people try to put me down even after that, with claims like "OH WELL TOAD AND WALUIGI ARE MORE IMPORTANT AND COOL IN MY OPINION-MADE-FACT IN MY HEAD OPINION".

But look at how far we've come now! Really applies to a lot of other characters on the roster.

The only characters I don't like on the roster are the new clones and the return of Dr.Mario, especially in relation to the cuts that were made from Brawl. However, other than that, it's a perfect upgrade from Brawl, which I thought would be really difficult as is.
I shall never forget the day I was sick that one December day. I was puking all over the place, had a fever and was feeling awful. Then I saw news: Nintendo Direct tomorrow. I assumed "They haven't shown a Smash character since Marth and that was like... 40 days ago! I bet they'll reveal a veteran in the Direct! I hope it's Zelda because she's bae!" However, there was no Zelda in sight. I remember about two weeks prior to the reveal, I mentioned to my friend whilst speculating newcomers that I wished Rosalina would be the Mario newcomer if we get one (we got two anyways, tho). They laughed. They made a mockery of me. That fateful December day changed that, however. For my glorious Queen of the Cosmos descended from the starry sky with her friendly Lumas to kick ass and take names. Rosie is bae, Rosie is love, Rosie is life. Never forget.
 

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I just... don't agree with this at all. I'm not really that much of a Ridley person (Though I agree Metroid needs more and Ridley is the best fit for it... way better than a Metroid itself, easily) but in the end, I don't see how it wouldn't be a major victory for most fans. If you don't want a character in and they get in, don't play the character. I don't like DHD and I'll probably play it very few times. But there's no reason to be a **** about it.

The anti-Ridley crowd are a lot more obnoxious than the pro-Ridley crowd. Enough so to make me support him exclusively based on that.

All of this said, I am of the group that believes the roster is incomplete until DLC and the conspicuous lack of anything disconfirming in the 3DS version makes me feel like he's playable. Isaac as well. They didn't have trophies... So, calling it now. I'm going to laugh so hard when/if Ridley is revealed to be playable. And you'll think that Nintendo succumbed to pressure from fans, rather than just acknowledging that Sakurai made a good call to include a popular character.
They still haven't found Ridley or Isaac trophies? I remember about five days ago they said they hadn't found them. Are they still MIA? Also, Bandana Dee's trophy was supposedly undiscovered. Do you know if this the case?
 

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They still haven't found Ridley or Isaac trophies? I remember about five days ago they said they hadn't found them. Are they still MIA? Also, Bandana Dee's trophy was supposedly undiscovered. Do you know if this the case?
Someone from Fire Emblem Tharja ? had her trophy removed, but probably because of how it looked. The roster really feels incomplete. Not enough villains. I'm also a bit suspicious of the lack of Wolf's brawl module. Now there may be some counter arguments to my theory, but why would Wolf not use his brawl module if he was intended to be playable? Scenario 1 Cut from the start or early on?( If true then Sakurai deserves some serious hate for that Star Wolf theme). Thankfully this scenario probably isn't the right one because Sakurai wanted to bring back every character from the start. ( That and he's not mean enough to do a stunt like that.) Only third party characters might be cut early on for obvious reasons.( licensing stuff ) Scenario 2 they just decided to make his assault look his default model. Its possible though unlikely due to how far more detailed playable smash characters are to their default artwork ( if they have different default artwork) that and from the few pictures I have seen of the trophy its not very detailed ( like playable character detailed.). Scenario 3 they are still working on Wolf ( in his brawl model) for either Wii u transfer or DLC. They made a trophy of his assault artwork, but since he wasn't finished in time for the 3ds changed the trophy name from Wolf ( Assault ) to just Wolf and possibly changed the trophy description ( I haven't seen a full translation of his trophy description so I don't know what info is there.). This scenario makes sense since its easy to change trophy descriptions compared to unbanning Peach. Trophies shouldn't deconfirm characters for DLC. I don't see why it would be an issue to get a Mewtwo trophy from beating classic mode and buying it at the shop, or maybe when the DLC is downloaded classic mode will be the only way to get that trophy.(and also change the trophy names like ex. Wolf ( Assault), Wolf (Smash), Mewtwo, Mewtwo (smash) ) Any way just thought I drop a few last thoughts on you guys. Make what you can of them, Happy Smashing.
 
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