If I was served this sandwich I would tweet a photo with my complaint because I specifically stated I have an allergy to bull**** and yet you served me this.
Here Kary indicates that he had both Frozen and Chaco as town reads, but had some reservations based on the quoted posts. This was his reasoning regarding the Chaco post:
Already getting ahead of yourself. Frozen and Chaco were in the same pile because they both seemed to be moving the game forward, doing things, being pro-town, but I hadn't seen anything that confidently put them into the town pile. They were mechanically townie but didn't feel town.
It's based on an obvious misunderstanding of the context. Chaco was not going back on a Boom town read, he was giving in to everyone saying that Boom wasn't as easy to read as he thought. It had nothing to do with his read, which had not yet given at the time of this post.
The reason I pinged that post was because Chaco's reaction to being challenged about
his read his ability to read Boom was to defer and laugh. He was exactly as you say, giving in. That felt like scum quickly giving up on an idea that wasn't popular.
I thought Chaco was townreading Boom because he was treating Boom like he was town, or talking to him in a ways that implied he was town. To me the epitome of this comes in #134 where Chaco seems to be more justifying Boom's "correct" read on him than having any doubts about Boom's intentions.
Chaco is all the way down in the scum pile and Frozen is all the way up in the town pile. And you know what? FROZEN HADN'T EVEN POSTED IN BETWEEN THESE POSTS. So why is Frozen all the way up as his third strongest town read and Chaco as a scum read when:
I first expressed the ping in #125, then I give my reads in #256. Frozen posted MANY times in between then. I count FOURTEEN TIMES.
It's true that I didn't wait for frozen to respond between when I explain the ping in #227 and my reads in #256, but I wanted to just get my reads out there and sign off for the day, and I have already explained to Dark Horse in
#504 that when I was going deep on Frozen I felt I had gone too deep.
1) The point he made on Frozen had way more merit
2) Chaco completely dismantled the point on him
3) Chaco and Frozen were originally in the same pile and the only reason Kary was having reservations was because of the quoted posts? Chaco dismantling the point should have returned Chaco to the townie pile, and even if we assume that Kary wasn't convinced, Chaco would still be in the same pile as FrozenFlame who had not even been on to address Kary's point yet.
1. False. Chaco's point suggested a scared mindset. Frozen's point just felt different, out of place. Town can have second thoughts on things. Yeah, town can bow to pressure as well, but I saw no reason for Chaco to be having doubts.
2. Already explained above, that the point was about Chaco's mindset, and I said at the time that the point still stands.
3. I picked out the one thing that pinged me as most scummy about each slot, I had plenty of other thoughts as well.
Chaco didn't dismantle the point (see 2) in fact him saying he was null on Boom made me more suspicious.
They both posted SEVERAL TIMES between my initial ping in #125 and my reads list, including Chaco going into a bunker mentality in response to Laser which further pinged me as an overreaction.
This is the work of someone who as a pre-planned lynch agenda, not someone who trying to solve.
The reason you can tell this is just nonsense, is because your WHOLE SANDWICH relies on the fact that I was honest about having frozen and Chaco in the same spot in #125. If I had a pre-planned agenda, I would just say I had the opposite reads on Chaco/Frozen and you would have nothing to say here.
Some Cheese - Onto another Point:
This is such a backward and forced conclusion. Chaco voting somi despite ending with an overall town score is incredibly townie as it shows that he wasn't just manipulating his point system to fit his read. This is such a superficial scum read.
Chaco started doing the points system for no reason. The fact that you admit he could have manipulated the points, but think that he didn't, proves my argument. He can just as easily be manipulating the points to go
away from his conclusion, so that he comes across as more townie; having doubts, etc.
It's also very telling that you think me changing my read over time about Chaco/Frozen is inherently scummy, but when Chaco says one thing but draws a different conclusion, you think that makes him super townie.
Lettuce and Tomatoes - A few little other things:
There are a couple of times that I've picked up on Kary not really digging into context, such as his point on Chaco going back on his Boom read. This was another one. Sabrar had already gone over this.
You will openly admit to being behind and struggling to keep up, but if I miss a piece of context then I'm scummy?
You were asked about it because it was the point you brought up. This backtracking is wack.
It isn't backtracking, I'm simply explaining the very basic idea that when I criticize frozen and shortly after townread him it's because the criticism is an elaboration of an EARLIER thought I had.
Another things is Kary has been playing up his
omg Synchro is so crazy let's keep an eye on them guys all game. This is what my left brain was communicating
here as an example. Kary didn't actually care about my reference to an outside game, otherwise he would have asked Sabrar the same thing. Additionally, why did Kary care about our answer enough for this to matter? It was an RVS question from Laser about how we were going to approach the game that wasn't going to go anywhere. You can also see his playing up the
SnYcRo sO cRyPtic in his discussion with Pythag regarding our slot.
You are a liability at best and this case proves it. I absolutely do care to know how you're going to play this game but I only have so much patience to ask an itinerant nonsense-peddler what kind of schedule they keep before I throw my hands up and pursue more useful avenues. I ALREADY addressed the point that you just linked, and the fact that you can call me scummy for demanding basic accountability from a notorious problem player is the epitome of why you can't be trusted.
Some Toasted Bread - Wrapping it Up:
This chain of post is low-key defensive from Kary. It's like he was preemptively defending against Sabrar's vote by suggesting that his (Kary's) actions were RVS and so shouldn't be scrutinized. He had a similar reaction after I voted him asking if we were caught up. The right brain can sense the unease behind it, low-key trying to play it cool like he wasn't bothered and trying to solve.
I don't know how you can get this so backwards. I was openly inviting Sabrar to crticize me during RVS, that's the reason I engaged them in the first place. But even after I taunted them saying I would ignore their vote they didn't feel like following up with a reason, which I think is pretty telling about their approach this game.
Your approach this game has been to be consistently behind and broadly irrelevant. I'm glad you're finally doing something here but the end result of this is that you wasted a considerable amount of my time. I hope you're happy.
