Things I Like - The Mafia Game - Game Over

[Malakandra]

We got carried by Pythag, but I'll take the win.

 

[Malakandra]

So I was just playing mental chicken with Mala at EoD1? That really could have gone badly. I didn't flip to Somi until Sync pressured me to.

I've grown as a person since that time. I was a foolish young child, lashing out against the authority of Synchronicity and making my own reads. Now I am a good adult who sheeps the town and sticks with consensus.

 

[Malakandra]

Also Wam is a very nice and considerate neighbor. Its very impolite to break into a new neighbors house and yeet them. Save that till after I and Boom die if necessary.

 

[BoomFrog]

It was two town, why does it matter?

Oh right. lol.

This makes no sense. They had no way of knowing about Pythag being able to bus drive. They were expecting me to be dying, and would want Wam there as my neighbor not throw him under the bus for no reason.

Yeah, agreed. I think FF's idea a mod clarification is the only thing that actually makes sense.

 

[BoomFrog]

Let's try this. It's worth a shot:

giraffelasergun If player A has a power that only works on the living and usually gives a result (like neighborizer) and targeted player B but was redirected to C and C died. Would you inform player A that their power failed?

 

[Malakandra]

Yeah, agreed. I think FF's idea a mod clarification is the only thing that actually makes sense.

Agreed. I think its much more likely in that scenario they don't fake the roleblock claim and go with a claim that just works if it was redirected to a dead Osie, so the same old same old. Why out they have a roleblocker by coming up with a sus message at that point? I don't think Kary was a super talked about option, so they'd have to be playing really smart 3d chess to get that explanation right after a teammate suddenly died and one had to sub out. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[BoomFrog]

Why out they have a roleblocker by coming up with a sus message at that point?

I think wam really did get the message from the mod clarifying the failed power usage.

Anyway, from all the powers we know were used we expected wam's neighborizing to fail, so you really shouldn't be making a yeet based on trying to guess if the Mod would clarifiy a power failing or not. I've been up in Kary's business all game. I proposed flash yeeting Kary D1 instead of "two townies" and was waved off by Fonti. Forget all of wam's tone and my tone because wam's always scummy and I'm always sorty-scummy-but-strangly-townie. Wam's taken every opportunity to yeet anyone, I've been trying to solve.

 

[Pythag]

I think wam really did get the message from the mod clarifying the failed power usage.

Anyway, from all the powers we know were used we expected wam's neighborizing to fail, so you really shouldn't be making a yeet based on trying to guess if the Mod would clarifiy a power failing or not. I've been up in Kary's business all game. I proposed flash yeeting Kary D1 instead of "two townies" and was waved off by Fonti. Forget all of wam's tone and my tone because wam's always scummy and I'm always sorty-scummy-but-strangly-townie. Wam's taken every opportunity to yeet anyone, I've been trying to solve.

Why didn't you find it sus that Kary was on your fonti case even when you were off it?

 

[BoomFrog]

Why didn't you find it sus that Kary was on your fonti case even when you were off it?

Because it was a good case with valid points. The reasons I was off it were subtle and I didn't expect "shallow-reads" kary to get it. Like, even though Kary was scum he genuinely didn't get why I was not for yeeting Fonti. When he said something like, "How can you make a slam-dunk case but not follow it?" he was sincere.

 

[Pythag]

At least think about it for 24 hours. It'd be nice to finish a game without getting missyeeted.

Is this your primary motivation for why you're talking so much?

 

[BoomFrog]

Is this your primary motivation for why you're talking so much?

Yes. It doesn't really matter but it's frusterating. I've been town 5 times not and missyeeted every game so far. But I'm disappointment that Fonti is going to missyeet me after I thought we had a nice bonding moment D3.

 

[Malakandra]

In case someone hammers before I die, this is my legacy.

 

[fontisian]

Unvote

Just to avoid a hammer until Frozen gets here.

 

[Malakandra]

My Wam trust isn't solely in the role, though thats a big factor. I also posted a big post yesterday where I found him to be townie over all from his posts. He had a town slip that looked genuine to me as well in that.

My points for Boom are his EoD1, which I realize now I was probably wrong about, and his back off on Fonti 2 days ago. Against him are he's a strong player and I can see him doing that, and he seems to be grasping at straws today. Bringing up my read about his EoD1, bonding with Fonti, the analysis on the potential of a Wam roleblock. Theres alot of Appeal to Emotion I wouldn't expect at this point. I would be more hesitant still, but I feel like we are able to be wrong atleast once, and Boom is most likely.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

is top question legitimately a question re: # town and slum slots in the setup?

only reason I don't think the second question is suss is because it involves a half xivii slot making a claim lmao


the fact that DH asks this followup question and not Kary made me do a double take. when literally thought it was DH who told pythag to pick a wagon and then followed up with the why. interesting confluence in interest between these two slots on pythag's rationale, if one of these slots flips scum this is an interesting connection to look at

OsieOrb has died in the night. They were:

Spoiler: Osie's Role

You are Yokoya Norihiko from the manga Liar Game, Mafia Goon.
Abilities: None
You may perform the factional kill.
You may also communicate with the members of your mafia team at any time, in the Mafia PM I will invite you to shortly.

It is now Day 4. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to reach majority. Day 4 ends on Thursday the 1st at 5 PM CST. End of Day Countdown

fontisian @#HBC | Kary #HBC | FrozeηFlame Pythag BoomFrog Malakandra @Wam

Kary has been Eliminated, they were:

Spoiler: Kary's Role

You are Ryuji Sakamato from Persona 5, Mafia Role Blocker.
Abilities: Once per night phase, PM me the name of one player. That player will not be able to perform any night actions.

In addition to your role block, you may also perform the factional kill.
You may also communicate with the members of your mafia team at any time, in the Mafia PM I will invite you to shorty.

It is now night phase. Night phase ends on Thursday the 1st at 5 PM CST. If every player with a night action prefers to end the night early, we will have a fast night instead ending on Wednesday the 30th at 5 PM CST

every single townie who gave me **** for for getting a 2/3 solve in MY FOURTH ****ING POST IN THE GAME CAN ****ING BLOW ME

ok now that that's out of the way

boom complaining about being misyeeted is a little bit of a weird take coming from this slot:

Yeah....

Sorry I suck.

bro you flashyeeted laser over obvscum DH you deserve to get turboyeeted don't even start with this lame ****in sob story

Dear god is the team Kary / Wam?

aw ****

this little exchange is worth thinking long and hard about tho

honestly wam deserves the yeet too, slimey dude dodged two yeets that hit townies instead, no way that slot goes to endgame. its nice that mala is confirming his neighborizor thing but tbh thats NAI, he can totally be scum neighborizer

only thing Im paranoid of at this point is pythag being scum JOAT and the full HBC smashboard mafia team decided to turbo bus DH and kary to set up pythag for the clear and win in the 2v1

Malakandra if we flashyeet before 48 hours pass, any chance you live? =D

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Pythag why aren't you turbo snowing me via communicating with Kary and DH to pull a stunt like using scum busdriver to "clear" yourself as the endgame ace for a sickly dying giving up team?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Yeah about yeeting fonti

do either of you wanna explain why you couldn't just do that and had to kill LASER? Someone you had both described as VERY TOWN?

back to back shade on fonti, pythag, and boom here

 

[BoomFrog]

bro you flashyeeted laser over obvscum DH you deserve to get

I flash yeeted Laser over Fonti. DH wasn't even on the list imo. I wanted Osie to come in and post so I could sort the slot better.

Pythag why aren't you turbo snowing me via communicating with Kary and DH to pull a stunt like using scum busdriver to "clear" yourself as the endgame ace for a sickly dying giving up team?

Dude, no. Pythag really thought his bread proved he was town. And he's had a bunch of innocent thoughts all game, and most importantly he could have drifted onto the Fonti yeet with little trouble and he didn't. He almost took the yeet himself until I pointed it out. Low self preservation instinct is townie. The dude is solid. Trust him all the way to the end. Plus Kary doesn't table flip if this was planned.

every single townie who gave me **** for for getting a 2/3 solve in MY FOURTH ****ING POST IN THE GAME CAN ****ING BLOW ME

Yeah, yeah. I'll be curious to ask Kary and DH post game if this was actually valid. But who am i argue with results. And it seems you were right about your instant Fonti read as well.

 

[BoomFrog]

I would be more hesitant still, but I feel like we are able to be wrong atleast once, and Boom is most likely.

There is almost nothing on the line here but pride. Wam and I are the next two yeets, regardless of order. But you should try and make the right call. It's good practice.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

boom you understand there is literally nothing you can say to convince me that you don't look awful for your conduct on that laser wagon right?

I get it its fine like you could be town and wrong but yeah you look awful at EoD 3

I appreciate your thoughts on pythag just doing my due diligence

 

[fontisian]

Multi-quoting on this site is a pain. Starting some new notes:

Spoiler

well this is a little underwhelming.

Vote: BoomFrog

Pythag pick a waggon

Kary votes Boom when it doesn't matter, - for Boom.

I feel as though this is the Zen half. Can I get an answer that isn't a reference to another game it's impossible for me to compare against?

Kary's generally rude to town, fits with their treatment of me, need to compare to treatment of DH, Boom, Wam.

Pythag what makes the boomfrog push less HBC than malak? Your vote tied the wagons.



Always has been

I feel like the fact that the gambit would be less scummy if it came from zen says more about zen than it does about me, I feel like the idea of zen lying for a gambit isn't exactly a radical concept in dgames history.

Honestly at times I feel like I can't understand exactly how zen operates. Especially from the games that I've been spectating recently there was definitely a couple of times where zen and I would interpret posts in radically different ways. But for now it's hard to say any of that when his slot has only made one post and he's in a hydra this time.

I don't think pythag is really possible as the last scum, but since Frozen is bringing it up, the "your vote tied the wagons" thing here is the kind of thing scum add on to create suspicion on a slot, so good for Pythag, bad for Boom. Likely an attempt to make Pythag look bad if Boom flips down the line.

Unvote
Vote: HBC | Kary


wam is always scummy (at least in my eyes). Hard to know if he's strong as scum because he keeps getting lynched early as either alignment.

Sabrar with the early Kary vote, likely part of why he died. Somewhat defensive of Wam, but not strongly.

is top question legitimately a question re: # town and slum slots in the setup?

only reason I don't think the second question is suss is because it involves a half xivii slot making a claim lmao


the fact that DH asks this followup question and not Kary made me do a double take. when literally thought it was DH who told pythag to pick a wagon and then followed up with the why. interesting confluence in interest between these two slots on pythag's rationale, if one of these slots flips scum this is an interesting connection to look at

Frozen would have to be out of his damn mind to do this as scum, there's no way. Like he'd have to be tmi crazed, and that doesn't fit how he played in Midnight Ops at all.

It felt like you laid down an rvs vote at a time where people were starting to move past rvs. What are your thoughts on things since then?



I mean the guy was told to vote of the top two wagons and just goes "sure" with a naked vote. I don't think it's crazy to want to hear more about what made him choose between the two. Before pythag voted he and gorf were two slots who were present in the thread but weren't focusing on either of the top wagons so I wanted to hear more about how they felt about these wagons. I gave chaco a pass because I thought he was asking gamesolve-y questions.



I want to see some more content first before coming to this conclusion.

DH defends against Frozen. Man, you can feel how spooked he is about the Kary/him connection. Frozen just town, etc.

they've had little to no interaction in thread yet, which is unsurprising considering the game has been open for under 24 hours. as far as I can see they have not meaningfully interacted at all such that they'd have any reason to be buddying each other at this point. this is not a slam dunk by any means but I found it to be a very surprising page 1 connection that I wanted people to take note of. Kary pushes pythag to make a move, DH comes in immediately after with the natural followup question which could readily be explained by scum chat coordination to poke at pythag early. not at all saying thats what happened, obviously it could be two townies looking to pressure the same slot and DH just was able to intuit what the point of forcing pythag to choose is was but it just pinged as too much to be purely coincidental

Frozen just town, etc, etc.

Some what are your thoughts on these wagons? Is there a crazier one of the two?

Wagons were still Mala and Boom. Could hint at DH having something at stake with the wagons (meaning Boom!scum) but not really conclusive.

I wouldn't really consider the malak wagon to be true rvs because it felt like people were trying to make it into a pressure wagon. At the very least your vote on me seemed like a zero content vote at a time where people were trying to create content. My question was nothing super groundbreaking so I'm surprised by your response.

While you're at it.

Response to Gorf. I think the "I'm surprised at x" thing might be a scumtell when talking to town. Just recording this for my own notes.

Chaco have you seen malek react badly to pressure as scum? And no one has a good boomfrog read.

I agree with FF gorf looks defensive.
unvote

vote gorf

Wam votes Gorf after DH. Scum who aren't as good don't like to vote together like this, + for Wam. Not as strong though because he sites Frozen, not DH, as the person he's sheeping.

I don't think this tracks at all. All I was pointing out was that Kary pushed pythag to pick between two slots, and then DH asks the predictable followup question of why when I would have instead expected Kary to do it. This is a little bit different than a "third person jumping into a double sided conversation." It's one thing for someone to be posing questions to another slot and then another person jumps in and starts asking their own questions or commenting on the responses given. It's a little more unique of a scenario when one person makes a demand of a slot and then an entirely different slot asks what I would label the natural followup question very quickly after the pressured slot makes the pick that was demanded. I'm just saying in this specific instance it felt possibly coordinated.

I get that you're frustrated that I "tainted" your questioning of gorf but I don't know where this "you just did it yourself and are apparantly proud of it" is coming from. Proud of what? like where are you getting this alleged pride from? I was just impatient and asked for your take on his response before you got around to it yourself

and again I'll reiterate: I didnt not at all say that DH or Kary were suss for the interaction, I was was simply pointing out that it seemed possibly coordinated to me and that people should take note for later if one of the slots flips scum

ok fair but that kind of a game is a bit outside the spectrum of possibilities for the smashboards meta. We've had some really imbalanced games here many, many years ago but at this point the remaining players on smashboards are pretty veteran and we have a review process before anyone hosts a game here. this kind of insane imbalance just isn't realistic for a setup here. now 9v4 as opposed to 10v3 isn't a fringe case argument like your above example but just trying to make the point that Im not surprised that other smashboards vets would be unsure if someone was being serious suggesting a possible 9v4 setup, I had a similar reaction as you can tell by my first question directed at you asking you specifically if you were being serious


guilty as charged, I missed the tiebreaker clause, I just saw it was plurality lynch, resigned myself to accepting that this ****ty ruleset is getting more popular than hard majority lynch and not playing to protest will be futile, and then signed up for the game

Frozen town.

Takeaways: It's just Boom, lol.

DH was setting Pythag up to look bad. If Frozen's playing us, he deserves a ****ing Oscar. Wam had a small towny thing.

 

[fontisian]

I'm cool hammering Boom early if you are, Frozen.

I just want to be absolutely, positively, 100% sure I'm not going to final 3 again because it will hurt irl. Never again.

 

[Malakandra]

Malakandra Malakandra if we flashyeet before 48 hours pass, any chance you live? =D

Nope, I die. One of the first things I checked. But hey, if I die I dont have to admit I was wrong for tunneling on you day 1 for the Dh Kary thing! Go ahead and hammer and ill pretend like I was making it

 

[Malakandra]

There is almost nothing on the line here but pride. Wam and I are the next two yeets, regardless of order. But you should try and make the right call. It's good practice.

Eh. I've been wrong this whole game and it looks like we are going to win anyway. Maybe being wrong is the right way to go.

 

[fontisian]

Nope, I die. One of the first things I checked. But hey, if I die I dont have to admit I was wrong for tunneling on you day 1 for the Dh Kary thing! Go ahead and hammer and ill pretend like I was making it

Lol, at least I did that right this game.

 

[fontisian]

Chaco - Is going to go slowly mad

Sabrar - Real Sabrar. I'd been wondering where he'd gone. Nice to finally see him again.

Dark Horse - Aggressive interrogating. I don't agree with his questions but he's leaving a thick paper trail if scum. - likely town

Malakandra - Too cool. But he did like my post calling out Laser for the town read, which means Mala was also sus of the easy town read, so Mala is town.

LaserGuy - Ligit mala analysis, slightly townie

Gorf - Sarcasm shield is slightly townie

Somitomi - Fry with his eyes squinting

Kary - Holding their cards close. But eyes open.

Wam - Minimal content is suspicious, but I'm willing to wait a bit to see what's under the surface.

Synchronicity - Obviously scummy. Policy yeet D2.

Frozen Flame - Hasn't played town in so long he's forgotten how to.

Pythag - Checked out. No reasoning for votes or attempts at reading anyone.

Vote FrozenFlame
Vote Pythag

Boom voting Frozen directly after his DH/Kary read.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Nope, I die. One of the first things I checked. But hey, if I die I dont have to admit I was wrong for tunneling on you day 1 for the Dh Kary thing! Go ahead and hammer and ill pretend like I was making it

I'm cool hammering Boom early if you are, Frozen.

I just want to be absolutely, positively, 100% sure I'm not going to final 3 again because it will hurt irl. Never again.

as much as I'm so tempted to just HBC to victory we should wait, I want to confirm mala flip

Malakandra you have the floor till you die. You pick the conversations, ping at will, ask anything we do what you say until you flip, please make it worth kthx

I want your final opinion for yeet order with clear reasoning posted before you flip. make your swan song beautiful

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

fonti i hate to break it to u but how can you possibly look more town than me at this point? unless Im insanely pocketed theres no way Im in last 3, sorry Im eating a bullet tonight and we all know it

 

[fontisian]

fonti i hate to break it to u but how can you possibly look more town than me at this point? unless Im insanely pocketed theres no way Im in last 3, sorry Im eating a bullet tonight and we all know it

Can't eat a bullet if there is no Tonight, ay.

 

[Malakandra]

fonti i hate to break it to u but how can you possibly look more town than me at this point? unless Im insanely pocketed theres no way Im in last 3, sorry Im eating a bullet tonight and we all know it

Theres still pythag to be fair.

As for yeet order, I need to decide between Wam and Fonti for next after Boom. The problem is they both look good. Wam has been obv town today. In the neighborhood he has been chill and vibing, he asked the same question you did about if day ends early will i die. He shows no urgency to try to look good, even know he's next on the block after boom goes. He also slipped town day 1 looking back in a conversation with Sabrar about the scum being able to talk before game started. Hesitation is because I find it odd if scum only have a Roleblocker, and we had the 5 town power roles we would have. Maybe boom has something good, up his sleeve, idk.Fonti is a much better player, but I feel they have been logically consistent and just so innocent these last few days. As well as Kary pushing them Uber hard, in a position where she could have been yeeted.

So I guess Boom-Wam-Fonti-Giraffe is my order.

Sorry Boom if its not you, but I remember a post from you to Frozen saying "pretty sure Kary is town dude" and I can understand being wrong, I was about Kary as well but it just rubs me wrong.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Vote: BoomFrog

Because of Dark Tower.

what did this mean

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

kary's first two posts are "RVS" vote pythag then immediately jumps to boom hmmm

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Is that meant as an ordered list BoomFrog ?
townie > scummy with town at the top?

Trying to figure out if I'm pocketing you.

@#HBC | Kary Yes. What do you think of the order?

fontisian whats your take on this

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I was under the impression that you were townreading Boom. If you were just talking about 'your ability to read Boom correctly in general' then yeah I just misunderstood, but I feel like the point still stands, that you were challenged on something and you kind of deferred, laughed about it.



You said you thought his read was legit... that to me suggested you thought his read was real and not fake, and so he was town.

If this is all hypothetical, what is your read on Boom, then?

lots of early focus on chacos read of boom hmmmmm

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Not very, though that should be obvious. Is Boom townie to you?

WHOA THIS IS SPOOKY

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

TOWN
Mala
Laser
Frozen
-----
Dark Horse
Pythag
Somi
BoomFrog
------
Sabrar
Synchro
-----
Chaco
Gorf (fonti)
Wam
SCUM

damn thats an early hard bus if its wam, boom and DH chillin hella close

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

wait wtf have we not asked mala to claim who he protected?!

Malakandra claim protect target before you die thats essentially a free clear

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

bruh

I think Pythag is not a great communicator as either alignment and so yes reading literally he is somewhat contradicting himself in putting you as "scummy but not scummy", but I don't consider him garbling his words to be scummy.

When I say his points against you seem fine, I'm not saying I agree with them or I think he has a good point;
just I can believe that Pythag thinks that and the points he was making didn't ping me as scummy.

this would be a VERY weird defense of a mate imo, snow warning subsiding

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Can you elaborate on these two reads for me because I don't see it.



Xivii is like the poster child for a slot you cannot trust under any circumstances, but yeah I suppose if you ignore all of the context and just play mafia by numbers then I guess I can understand why you think that was scummy.

after fishing for boom reads I think scum!kary reads the room here and attempts to undermine prevailing townreads on sab while at the same time trying to distance his buddy if its scum!boom, pretty slick play ngl

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Yeah I'm sorry for making you wait but I'm trying to carefully read and catch up and you're distracting me from that.

Wam had both Chaco and Gorf as scumreads earlier so they're not super surprising. The OMGUS on me is kinda grody, but I feel like the mirroring is just a coincidence. I guess it makes it slightly less likely that Wam is mafia with either of the other two, but I'll worry about that down the line.

kinda of proud of myself for wrenching this out of scum!kary but idk how to fully parse it, this feels good for wam I think