Legend of Zelda The WORLD of Zelda

[AngryMoblyn1881]

In nearly every game of zelda,the land of Hyrule comes up. It is the answer people would give you if you asked what is the name of the world in the LoZ games. I for one am not satisfied with this answer anymore. I believe hyrule cannot possibly be the only land in the world. We already know this for a fact from playing ST, PH (maybe), and both the oracle games. I realy want nintendo to release a map of the world of zelda, I think it would help alot of my thoughts out and put my mind to rest from this geographical confusion. Anyone else?

Also, Do we know if tera travled in a specific way on her ship from hyrule? like north or south or east or west?

 

[Life]

You left out MM. Although it's probably another world entirely, so....

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

You left out MM. Although it's probably another world entirely, so....

Exactly why I didnt include it. It is a parallel...as far as we know.

 

[Spire]

Nintendo tries to keep Hyrule and its sister lands ambiguous for a reason. Firstly, because of the Great Flood there would be two distinct maps of the world. Let's identify the known lands:

1. Hyrule
2. Labrynna
3. Holodrum
4. Cobble Kingdom (unofficial name of the land beneath the sea in PH)
5. Lokomo Kingdom
6. Skyloft

Termina, the Twilight Realm, the Sacred Realm, and the other various Dark Worlds exist in parallel dimensional space and should be excluded from a geographical map of the 'light world'. Also, Koholint Island existed in a dream.

Consider now that the numerically listed lands may be connected by land in the Child Timeline rather than by sea (sans the Oracle lands which don't have a definite placement in the timeline). There would simply be non-flooded and flooded versions of the world in which Zelda takes place.

Oh, and we do not know which direction Link and Tetra travel in post-WW and PH. Just keep in mind that PH's southeastern quadrant contained ice so it may be closer to the 'south pole' of the planet and thus, the Cobble Kingdom may be southwards of Hyrule, be it directly or to either the west or east.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

Nintendo tries to keep Hyrule and its sister lands ambiguous for a reason. Firstly, because of the Great Flood there would be two distinct maps of the world. Let's identify the known lands:

1. Hyrule
2. Labrynna
3. Holodrum
4. Cobble Kingdom (unofficial name of the land beneath the sea in PH)
5. Lokomo Kingdom
6. Skyloft

Termina, the Twilight Realm, the Sacred Realm, and the other various Dark Worlds exist in parallel dimensional space and should be excluded from a geographical map of the 'light world'. Also, Koholint Island existed in a dream.

Consider now that the numerically listed lands may be connected by land in the Child Timeline rather than by sea (sans the Oracle lands which don't have a definite placement in the timeline). There would simply be non-flooded and flooded versions of the world in which Zelda takes place.

Oh, and we do not know which direction Link and Tetra travel in post-WW and PH. Just keep in mind that PH's southeastern quadrant contained ice so it may be closer to the 'south pole' of the planet and thus, the Cobble Kingdom may be southwards of Hyrule, be it directly or to either the west or east.

Do you think its possible that some of these kingdoms are infact, the same kingdom? You see this is what is throwing me off. Because there is no "Official" timeline, you cant tell if some kingdoms are just new improved lands of older games. For example; If cobble kingdom was possibly at somepoint Labrynna and or holodrum.

Besides I always thought the oracle games where an illusion or atleast parallel worlds as well?

 

[Spire]

Let's analyze how Link travels to each world:

Hyrule → Termina = Trans-dimensional rift in the Lost Woods
Hyrule → Holodrum = Triforce warps him there
Hyrule → Labrynna = Triforce warps him there
Holodrum/Labrynna → Holodrum/Labrynna = By boat
Hyrule (Great Sea) → Cobble Kingdom (Great Sea) = By boat
Cobble Kingdom (Great Sea) → Lokomo Kingdom = By boat

Now let's not assume that the Cobble Kingdom and/or Lokomo Kingdom are in any way related to Holodrum and Labrynna. There is absolutely no evidence suggesting this. As for whether or not they exist in the same dimensional plane as Hyrule is still up in the air. Firstly, both lands possess inhabitants encountered in Hyrule and Termina (and including Syrup the witch, Koholint Island as well) spanning ALttP, OoT, and MM. Syrup is an interesting example because she appears in ALttP, LA, OoS/OoA, and TMC. Because she appears in the dreamworld island that LA takes place on, it was originally inferred that Link re-encountered her (in his dream) because he had first met her during ALttP, as was the case of Maron being Zelda, Taron being Link's Uncle, etc.

I'd also like to note that PH was created by a lot of veteran Zelda developers, most of which worked on ALttP. Miyamoto personally selected ALttP devs to create PH because he wanted a similar experience (in some regards). Seeing as how PH also ended in a time-standing-still dreamlike experience with the awakening of a whale (as with LA), it can be inferred that PH was created as a spiritual successor to LA, just as WW is a spiritual successor to ALttP (because before WW, ALttP was 100% the distant sequel to the Adult ending of OoT).

I'd like to make some commentary now about the developmental process of the series and in particular, its timeline and the concepts behind some of the games' creation. The Legend of Zelda was first created to flesh out a fantasy based on Miyamoto's personal experiences exploring the vast gardens and forests surrounding his childhood home. As an adolescent kid, you would imagine creatures around every corner when you're alone, without a parent to watch over you. You may stumble upon a shrine dedicated to the ancestors of your family, and thus feel and imagine that the spirit of a grandfather of yours hands you a sword to protect yourself. And with that, you feel safer. Not invulnerable, but able to now fend for yourself rather than constantly running from the figments of your imagination. As you think more about what kind of creatures you 'encounter', you begin to think about their origins, and just as we often assert our own origin to a creator of divinely sort, these creatures (the Moblins particularly) must have a leader or creator. That is Ganon. Take these childhood adventures to the drawing boards and you've a whole spectrum of fantasy to create from.

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I have to work on a big art project now, so I hope to get back to this later on.

To be continued.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

I would also like to point out that, I have just been playing ST and I have found that its map is much more similar to that of termina. Even though termina was suppose to have more of an resemblance to old hyrule? So I cant figure out why that would be, most likely just coincidence though.

 

[Spire]

ST's map is lightyears more like the FSA Hyrule than Termina. Everyone tries to relate everything back to Termina because the internet has some crazy fascination with MM. IMO, the only game world that may sport anything similar to Termina is the Great Sea in PH. That's it.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

ST's map is lightyears more like the FSA Hyrule than Termina. Everyone tries to relate everything back to Termina because the internet has some crazy fascination with MM. IMO, the only game world that may sport anything similar to Termina is the Great Sea in PH. That's it.

How so? I dont think termina could be cobble kingdom any ways.

 

[Masky]

Minor point, but the Cobble Kingdom was established on the sea, not under it or pre-flood or anything like that. Or at least the games don't indicate that at all.

"In seas ruled by the Ocean King, the cultured Cobble Kingdom soared above all. It was more glorious than any other city until it vanished from history!"

"You see, for generations, our ancestors lived to serve the Ocean King. They defended the Ocean King in an age when great evil lurked in the sea. My people forged our own weapons and fought in epic battles. You seek one of those great weapons. An artifact called the Phantom Sword."

 

[Spire]

Yeah thanks for pointing that out. There's no other name for the land beneath the waves of the Cobble Kingdom, so I just used it. I'd love to see a game take place in that land.

One thing to note (as pointed out on ZeldaWiki) is that the Cobble Kingdom was most likely similar to Egypt in some fashion, and furthermore, may be ancestrally linked to the Carpenters from OoT, since the Cobble were skilled engineers and their king was named Mutoh, a shared name with the leader of the carpenters in OoT.

The Cobble have a lot of history, most of which is similar to Hyrule's own history. I think the concept of the Cobble is to suggest that even though we've been experiencing the history of Hyrule, it's not the only important land in the world and that others like the Cobble have just as much history. The Cobble had nine sages, an equivalent sword to the Master Sword: The Phantom Sword, and their own great evil.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

There's no other name for the land beneath the waves of the Cobble Kingdom, so I just used it. I'd love to see a game take place in that land.

What Im saying is that, how do we know that we havent already had a game there? We would have know way of knowing. Unless of course nintendo released that type of information. But they have proven in the past that they do not care TOO TOO much about the background of their games.

 

[Masky]

I think the concept of the Cobble is to suggest that even though we've been experiencing the history of Hyrule, it's not the only important land in the world and that others like the Cobble have just as much history. The Cobble had nine sages, an equivalent sword to the Master Sword: The Phantom Sword, and their own great evil.

I really agree with this, great job putting it into words. King Mutoh's appearance and ghostliness mirroring King Daphnes also supports this.

The backstory and story of Spirit Tracks, with Malladus and the Spirits of Good, also gave me the same impression that the world of Zelda is not just centered around the Hyrule, the Triforce, and Ganondorf.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

I really agree with this, great job putting it into words. King Mutoh's appearance and ghostliness mirroring King Daphnes also supports this.

The backstory and story of Spirit Tracks, with Malladus and the Spirits of Good, also gave me the same impression that the world of Zelda is not just centered around the Hyrule, the Triforce, and Ganondorf.

Which is the reason I created this thread...essentially. I want to try and put the world of zelda into perspective. I feel that we need more info on the world rather than that of just hyrule, and i am willing to bet that nintendo will not do this any time soon if ever.

So the cobble kingdom is a good place to start. It has proven to be a very inticate and historical place that I would like very much to know more about. and with that Iam now going to start playing PH....right after I finish my replay of ST.
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This is because I dont wanna dub post.

But any who, I will be making a map of the zelda world when My new tablet I ordered arrives(by christmas). So if anyone would like to give me some pointers on how to make this map as perfect as possible, well..... post here.

Thanks.