The Wall - Game End.... no one wins?

[#HBC | Kary]

2. Say Raz is clear- then what, who does that leave as scum?

You say we've ignored your questions on scumreads. AFAIK, we've stated pretty regularly who we're on, and have even put it in wall posts. Our hated slots are Raz, you, and increasingly Throne.

AFAIK you're not even addressing my question. When I ask you something ABOUT your reads, ALL YOU DO is repeat your reads.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

For what it's worth this is the KevinM head and I'm thinking with it possibly being a Mylo situation it only makes sense for Hando to clear someone. We get a clear we can further figure out who the best lynch choice is for the day and if it's on one of the inactive sally's then we don't have to gamble on a lynch just to win the game.

JTB is really worrying me.

Raz, Ryker seems pretty set on but if NH can give me a convincing argument i would swing with it. Plus ya boy Mac was on him and he seemingly dies D1/N1 all the time now so he's gotta be doing something right.

Kantplay/DH still worries me with their "have to lynch me to test my ability" claim and would be ok with lynching since it's Mylo.

Me and Ryker have had conflicting work schedules so it's been hard to meet up and talk about the game.

 

[Overswarm]

Vote Count:

WatchTheThrone (2) - MOD, MOD,
Raziek (1) - No Hetero
No Hetero (1) - MOD

Not voting (8): Dark Horse, WatchTheThrone, Kary, Sephiroths Masamune, FullMetalLynch, Raziek, JTB

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
The deadline has been set for Friday, August 31st at 3 p.m. EST[

 

[No Hetero]

/confirming

"so you have to use your ability?

and you thought giving Seph a posting restriction would make it easier for you to talk to him?

'didn't have to play quote tag'?"

Yep, that's correct.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

welp, that's my 100% scumtell for this game

 

[FullMetalLynch]

NH, if you dislike WTT why not vote/ pressure him?
Also it is not lylo or mylo with 8 alive

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@ Seph : what was the surprise you were talking about the other day
@ Raz : win con claim ? + top 2 scum picks

 

[No Hetero]

bros[/B]

"it is boring that you want Raz toDay over say JTB etc. etc."

We think he's scum. Sorry to bore you.


"AFAIK you're not even addressing my question. When I ask you something ABOUT your reads, ALL YOU DO is repeat your reads."

If Raz is clear, that leaves my other scumreads. And you know who my scumreads are. Thus, you have the common-sense answer to your question, not to mention the rewarding feeling of having used your brain.

You're starting to get cagey and harp on the points you think are weak, like you did in Tekken. Don't. No idea if you do that as town, but if you are you need to re-evaluate the game.

What are your reads on Raz and Throne? FML? Who's your scumpick today?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@Kary: your one to talk about ehhh play after your D1 & D3 play. to be accurate Rake side(me) disliked your slot before and your D3 and overall play have bothered me and orbo.
@NH : WtT / Kary toDay, Raz next day , flip dependant ?
Or what is your read on Kary ?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

"AFAIK you're not even addressing my question. When I ask you something ABOUT your reads, ALL YOU DO is repeat your reads."

If Raz is clear, that leaves my other scumreads. And you know who my scumreads are. Thus, you have the common-sense answer to your question, not to mention the rewarding feeling of having used your brain.

Given that if Raz was town that wouldn't affect your other reads, is it fair to say your scumreads aren't based on connections?

You're starting to get cagey and harp on the points you think are weak, like you did in Tekken. Don't. No idea if you do that as town, but if you are you need to re-evaluate the game.

I know. I have this terrible habit of wanting people to explain their actions and not play like utter ***

What are your reads on Raz and Throne? FML? Who's your scumpick today?

Pretty sure I gave all my reads yesterday, and that given no kill they're not likely to have changed. Don't know who I want lynched just yet.

@Kary: your one to talk about ehhh play after your D1 & D3 play. to be accurate Rake side(me) disliked your slot before and your D3 and overall play have bothered me and orbo.

Wow that's some constructive town play right there.

Why exactly did my play bother you again? D1 in particular?

 

[No Hetero]

bros

Throne:
"Razscum can be. I could definitely see me lynching Raz because he's been my friend this whole game when he was around and not done much else, but I still have problems that need resolving and you are not giving me anything."

What are your problems that still need resolving? What else would you like from us?


"While I'm here, do you think I am being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn"

If you're town, yes. That's the only way I can reconcile your slot with a town viewpoint. I'm not even sure that covers it.


"or are you just saying that to take a **** on me without asking me the why behind anything or trying to make me rethink things? Feels like you're aiming to push my buttons and then push me aside."

You haven't pushed a single scumread this game, do you realize that? You say that D2, you voted July at the beginning of the Day because you thought you saw a cop report. That's great. You haven't said where you thought you saw that. You haven't justified the time you've spent every other Day doing nothing.

What you have done is tell me you don't like my posts, and lobby for thread power in a game you're not actively playing, simply because (afaik) you're not comfortable with me.

I've asked you why you've taken every single action this game. I've asked you why you think what you think, I've asked you why you say what you say. I've tried to make you rethink everything you've expressed that I didn't agree with.

Communication between us has been ****ty. I don't know why, aside from inactivity on your part that keeps you from reading my posts somehow? So other than keeping you at arm's length and playing my game until I'm ready for you to get lynched, I don't have any ideas on how to deal with you.


"I have been trying REAL DAMN HARD to get in this game, but you keep pushing me out with comments like "Are you town?" and "Don't be stubborn for the sake of being stubborn." You pushed aside the reads I had Day 1 before coming to agree with them and lynch Hando on Day 3. I've played with every card I own on the table and you're telling me to get in this game."

Please don't give me an excuse. I'm not taking any more opportunities than this to read you.

What I'm looking for you to say is that you know your activity has been poor, and that you're not coasting under the guise of guy-who's-not-here.


"My conviction on Raztown MIGHT take a blow from his read on Hando (and only read I remember) being wrong and your constant bashing. My conviction MIGHT falter from being put in a possible end game scenario where one of my least favorite slots is unlynchable. Personally, it does take a blow because you may have been doc protected tonight, which is a kill Raz scum wants and Kary, Kantrip, NH scum don't want."

Your read on Hando was the same as Raz's. I don't see how that causes you to rethink Raz toDay.

 

[No Hetero]

bros

Kary:
"Given that if Raz was town that wouldn't affect your other reads, is it fair to say your scumreads aren't based on connections?"

Modularly, sure, since there's no way to showcase connections with a player who doesn't really post. I think July had a couple throwaway lines to Raz? But there's valuable interactions between you and Throne, and Throne and Raz.

Refresh me on your scumpicks? FML and Throne have both posted a lot toDay, and I've said my piece on Raz, so surely you have new information to talk about.

 

[No Hetero]

bros

FML:
Do you have anything to say about Throne?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I remember FML being low quality and disliking me based on...
I remember WTT being town enough for me to not worry about them right now

I remember you playing like utter balls

I mean, what's the point of your #1531, for instance? Is it the olive branch of peace and co-operation? Is it some vital questions to ask WTT? Or is it just you wasting time?

If you want to force my hand, then fine. Give me a gun, I shoot you. Your flip clears up a bunch of my reads and stops you from *****ing with WTT.

Why do you need my reads on WTT/Raz/FML specifically?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Actually NH, he voted July IIRC because WtT didnt want Kary to get alpha struck.
He was sitting on not voting July for a while D2 IIRC before he swapped over, something I recall not liking very much at the time.

 

[No Hetero]

welp

Throne:
Has it been full-blown scumread on Kary since D1, or has there been a progression?
Have you taken a look at the lynch bracket from July D2?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Actually NH, he voted July IIRC because WtT didnt want Kary to get alpha struck.
He was sitting on not voting July for a while D2 IIRC before he swapped over, something I recall not liking very much at the time.

Hydra Quote.

 

[No Hetero]

welp

FML:
"Actually NH, he voted July IIRC because WtT didnt want Kary to get alpha struck.
He was sitting on not voting July for a while D2 IIRC before he swapped over, something I recall not liking very much at the time."

That's not what I'm talking about. WTT voted for July at the beginning of D2, based on a perceived softreport on her, from what I understand of his explanation D3. They unvoted later, and then left off until Kary loaded up on modvotes.

Do you have something you want to say about Throne? Who's scum?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

wrt wTt : i'll quote in a bit but iirc wTt defended july a lil D2, if thats so could easily see it being a chainsaw attempt to dissuade julys impending lynch. D1 iirc something similar happened when mac tried to swing the lynch toward july. (not sure about this one) also i remember not liking some of july / thrones interactions , not to mention there hard on for hando. scum read from me & orbo.
still need to bring up my stuff on kary but thats me / orbo's other pick . might go for wTt first

 

[No Hetero]

this is ****ing ********

why is kary asking ******* questions? fml no. raz ****ing dies THIS dayphase. so sick of people letting this ***** get away since he needed to die on like page 5. such an awful dayphase. gorf i hate kary. gods gift to scum if innocent

 

[No Hetero]

fml, again. raz. not throne. not ****ing kary whose interactions with july barely make any ****ing sense as scum. raz. the guy whose needed to die since d1. holy ****ing balls

 

[FullMetalLynch]

we go raz toDay you back me on WtT tommorow ?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

wrt wTt : i'll quote in a bit but iirc wTt defended july a lil D2, if thats so could easily see it being a chainsaw attempt to dissuade julys impending lynch. D1 iirc something similar happened when mac tried to swing the lynch toward july. (not sure about this one) also i remember not liking some of july / thrones interactions , not to mention there hard on for hando. scum read from me & orbo.
still need to bring up my stuff on kary but thats me

hydra quote

 

[FullMetalLynch]

thats me / orbo's other pick . might go for WtT first

rest of hydra quote
/thatridiculouschara limit

 

[No Hetero]

1. Considering you keep brow-beating ANY slot that doesn't agree with you is it really a ****ing surprise?

2. Say Raz is clear- then what, who does that leave as scum? STOP ignoring these kinda questions. I asked you yesterday why we had to lynch Hando given you're insistence on Macman's reads being correct, but I don't recall getting ****

3. Get this speculation nonsense out of here. You can't even know there's a doc; could just as easily be a jailer or whatever. I can't see why anyone WOULD protect your slot because you're like a broken freaking record and your alignment being confirmed might give us reason to follow you.

4. Yeah, because you know the scum strategy. Presumably Inferno/Macman were killed because you/Seph were too likely to be protected? Actually, don't answer that, I really don't care for stupid ****ing speculation

NOW

5. do you want to talk to me about HOW and WHY you've been using your ability? Or should I just give up on gettting anything useful from your slot this game?

6. I remember FML being low quality and disliking me based on...
I remember WTT being town enough for me to not worry about them right now

I remember you playing like utter balls

7. I mean, what's the point of your #1531, for instance? Is it the olive branch of peace and co-operation? Is it some vital questions to ask WTT? Or is it just you wasting time?

8. If you want to force my hand, then fine. Give me a gun, I shoot you. Your flip clears up a bunch of my reads and stops you from *****ing with WTT.

9. Why do you need my reads on WTT/Raz/FML specifically?

1. yes

2. no **** this ******** hypothetical situation. raz is NOT clear. i will bet nabes corset that he is NOT the one who hando has as ****ing clear. this question is so ****ing ****ty given the circumstances. we dont have to ****ing go in depth on our reads. lylo/mylo is just around the corner and explicitly talking about this bull**** when we have our lynch is basically saying "HEY SCUM MANIPULATE ME PLEASE HERES THE ENDGAME YOU SHOULD SET UP"

3. what? a jailer and doctor have the SAME ****ing protective ability. gorf youre dumb. want to know why someone would protect me kary? same reason you did in paper mario. **** outta hear!

4. yeah its actually not hard to ****ing deduce. dont come at me with this *****ing about speculation. welcome to mafia. pretty sure im allowed to outguess scum [hey kary remember when me/no lynch were killed in erb mafia for being right about scum?] [hey kary remember paper mario when seph was killed for similar reasoning wrt j?] without some ******* to come around the corner and obnoxiously shout "its speculation bro!!" **** you

5. your definition of useful is ****ty. reasoning isnt necessarily useful

6. ok

7. do you think its ****ing possible that nabe is DIRECTLY interacting with a poster hes had issues with which is acceptable town play as opposed to these ****ty theories youre pulling out your ***?

8. continuing to prove your ineptitude as always i see

9. take a wild ****ing guess as to why nabe asked you this. i seriously wonder if you even put any thought into these ******* questions

 

[No Hetero]

/confirming

Hando, please state your clear.

 

[No Hetero]

1. Raz, Ryker seems pretty set on but if NH can give me a convincing argument i would swing with it. Plus ya boy Mac was on him and he seemingly dies D1/N1 all the time now so he's gotta be doing something right.

2. Kantplay/DH still worries me with their "have to lynch me to test my ability" claim and would be ok with lynching since it's Mylo.

1. Who gives a **** what Ryker thinks of his alignment? Whose reads are you going to roll with, Ryker or Macman...seriously. I don't care about his confidence, he did the same **** with July in MP2. He is blind.

2. It isn't mylo and DHorse is not the play today because his name is not Raziek.

FML, please vote Raziek. I am more than fine with your vote being cemented on him. Do it in your next post please.

These Kary/Throne/No Hetero walls are getting tiring. I'm not interested in lynching either of them today and I ****ing despise how all the active people are largely *****ing at each other. Kary, shut the **** up with your "bawwww what are you doing with Throne" bull****. Deal with it.

Also, what the **** did you even mean by "we don't know if there's a doctor, there might be a jailer"? Are you serious? If there is a Town Jailer, that means he bingo'd the nkill. If there is a scum jailer, then he roleblocked someone and scums kill WOULD have gone through. Dunno what the **** you're talking about. Also, I promise I'll be much less obnoxious once Raz goes.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Things came up, I'm going to be V/LA for a little bit. Sorry guys.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

you know what?
bored of arguing this ****

@NH:

maybe Raz is goddamn scum. Then tomorrow you want WTT? Or are all the other scum just going to fall into your lap? I don't care if we have Raz scum on a plate; you wanted to use D2 and D3 to talk even though the lynches were basically lined up from the start. But toDay when I'm asking you about who else might be scum you're shutting me down.
I'd happily try and bludgeon an answer out of you tomorrow but I might not be around to do that; so I'm trying to do so now. I'm trying to make it damn clear why I am not cool with just cruising to a Raz lynch, which is because you fill me with absolutely no confidence that you know what you're doing.
Maybe if you gave me a couple more reads, or played ball with me in explaining your ability choices, I might actually work back to a town read on you. But right now yeah I want you dead because as far as I can tell you're a damn liability.
If you don't want to, then I can't damn make you. But it feels like it'd actually be pro-town if you did talk this through, rather than whaling on my slot and others.

think that's about it.

 

[No Hetero]

/confirming

"But toDay when I'm asking you about who else might be scum you're shutting me down."

You and Throne. What's your malfunction?


K: "Who are your reads?"
NH: "These players are our reads"
K: "WHY WON'T YOU TELL ME WHO YOUR READS ARE"

K: "Why did you choose X, Y, and Z for your ability?"
NH: "These are the reasons we chose X, Y, and Z"
K: "WHY WON'T YOU EXPLAIN YOUR REASONING"

K: "Why aren't you talking to me?"
NH: "Here is another long post where I continue to talk to you in an ongoing conversation"
K: "WHY CAN'T WE TALK THIS THROUGH"


This is Tekken behavior. Repeating the questions I've already answered.

So I ask you again, if you're town, to reevaluate the situation rather than continuing your scum meta play. You look foolish.

 

[No Hetero]

/confirming

Mm, pretend that third post was in eye-killing green as well. ttfn

 

[WatchTheThrone]

"AFAIK you're not even addressing my question. When I ask you something ABOUT your reads, ALL YOU DO is repeat your reads."

If Raz is clear, that leaves my other scumreads. And you know who my scumreads are. Thus, you have the common-sense answer to your question, not to mention the rewarding feeling of having used your brain.

The only problem I have with being called blind is that it inevitably leads to me being associated with you.

Look at your summary if Kary's posts in green. You point out that he's retreading the same ground over and over when he clearly states, in a post that you copied and pasted and cut up, what his intentions were. What was your response? You restate your reads instead of explaining them. That's been a problem I've had with you throughout this entire ****ing game. You are pushing and shoving. You are not establishing any sort of path for what to do after your push goes through and, when challenged, are not telling me why. You keep each and every player at arm's length unless they ride your **** with the exception of Seph, which is convienent because he could probably turn enough sheep to get you lynched.

Are you seriously trying to insinuate that I am blind using Mario Party II as an example? For those of you who weren't there, we lost that game to a scum team of J, Kevin, and July because I did not nail July. Marshy did, I chose wrong between her and inactive as **** town Raz. This was the game where I shot EE at the start of the game for very little reason, but in the end, Marshy choked himself to death trying to suck both Kevin's and J's **** at the same time because Kevin was being normal cool bro Kevin and J did literally nothing but pander to Marshy. He got July, who was the one to trip me, but fought me to the death (literally as we lynched him) over the lives of J and Kevin, ESPECIALLY sycofant J. Instead, he wanted to lynch my biggest town read, WL.

You want to smear me, but **** that ****. Get your head out of your *** and play mafia. That or get out, because I am not playing follow the leader with you.

Ok, so, you are either intentionally pushing my buttons or I am completely wrong in my estimate of your intelligence. What are you angling for?

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Oh god. I've been 502ed on a post I've been typing since I finished the above one. Typing it on my phone.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

You made some commet about not wanting to give any direction for fear of giving scum a map to the end game they want to create. You know what? How about you give town a map to the end game YOU want to take, complete with explanation as to why you want to go that route? Right now, I have ZERO reason to believe you are aiming to do anything more than win the game off of a LyLo/MyLo that you yourself admit is right around the corner. If it comes up with such ****ty ****ing direction, then you're looking at lynch options in JTB, Kary, DH (who I would love to hear you talk about), and myself. All if these are options you've kept on the table. The only ones you've eliminated are FML in your pocket and Seph who you could never lynch in a million years (and who was probably targeted for the night kill).

Let's pare down this list because I have the same issue, but you're doing your goddamn best to stop me from further limiting the options by blocking me at every turn. You won't cooperate, you smear me in the day, you're calling for the lynch in this horrendous situation when we have not mass claimed and have a clear from Hando with a potential second clear from a doc.

Get your **** off the court. My posts do contain muscle, but they do not lack substance unless they are posts saying that I am going to tall with Kevin, which I have always followed up on.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

You have asked me a lot of **** that I'll get when I have access to a computer or Kevin will get to.

Or maybe I'll just quote them and say "Lynch Dark Horse. Lynch Dark Horse. Oh my god, what the **** is wrong with you people? Why are you asking me the same ****? Lynch Dark Horse."

 

[FullMetalLynch]

except im not followin NH, im tryin to figure out this entire Raz deal.
raz not being here aint helpin
i want handos clear if he f***D up his NA then mfw at this game
if the clear is NH then i'd still be feelin wtT
but
orbo likes wtT more right now then NH so wTt: talk to me , nh scummy for push on you ? raz still town for you ?
nh using his ability on seph odd ? Y/N ?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

here's my order for today:

my case on wTt goes up, goes from there
nabe explains why raz over nullJTB
my case on kary'll prolly be up
dark horse can do something
jtb can do something
raz can claim / do something
nabe can explain why it has to be raz over wTt despite wTt being a common interest / goal and why raz cant be left to nk or tommorow flip dependant

 

[WatchTheThrone]

except im not followin NH, im tryin to figure out this entire Raz deal.
raz not being here aint helpin
i want handos clear if he f***D up his NA then mfw at this game
if the clear is NH then i'd still be feelin wtT
but
orbo likes wtT more right now then NH so wTt: talk to me , nh scummy for push on you ? raz still town for you ?
nh using his ability on seph odd ? Y/N ?

Raz ain't helpin. Cool. He's just comfy sitting in the lynchpool.

NH isn't scummy for pushing me. He's scummy for NOT pushing me. Read the entire game. He spends it bouncing back and forth and back and forth in the way he treats this slot. It's ****ing infuriating. He acts like he wants to work with us and then he tells everyone that half the slot is blind (and this is after Marshy has pointed out that he thinks there's potential for him and I to work together because we both see things the other misses). He spends the entire game trying to discredit us without concerning himself with what we're saying. Look at how he reacted to our original vote on Hando and subsequent push. He, and I'm paraphrasing, says that we're ******** for thinking Hando needs to go and then later says that Hando would clear up a bunch of things, but he's just "not feeling it." All the while, he doesn't address what we've actually said.

Raz is not still town to me. Raz is null. I could go Raz if I was given a decent reason, as I've been preaching this entire phase, but I've not been given one. I do not think that such a reason exists. If you want to lynch dead weight, then I would lynch JTB. My reason is that I think Raz's explosion was a town tell. NH says that it was not a town tell, but that simply resets the situation to a neutral position. He hasn't given me a reason why JTB is town or why Raz is scum (he even acknowledges the possibility of inactive TownRaz that we've both seen before). He hasn't so much as mentioned JTB's name when talking about lynches. He hasn't brought up Dark Horse either except to say that it's not MyLo (no elaboration on what the read actually is or confirmation that he would lynch DH in MyLo, only a comment directed at my ultimatum of making sure he goes no further than MyLo). When asked to expand on his reads, he takes off his shoe and starts trying to beat the questioner over the head.

I don't care about NH using his ability on Seph. All I know of it is the fact that it makes them play with quotes. Seph is on top of his posting and an alpha strike isn't even feasible. It's null until I hear another ability coupled with it.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Mass claim needs to finish, dammit.

 

[No Hetero]

/confirming

Ryker:
I understand that you're V/LA; great. When you're V/LA, don't post.

You're using activity as an excuse to not be a part of the action. You've been avoiding my posts all game, on this excuse. That is what I call you on in 1531. That is what I've been calling you on all game.


Stop making posts saying "I'm here but I'm not", like 1552-1559 where you cherrypick what to respond to. Just make posts when you're here and actually have time.

The first thing on your agenda needs to be a response to 1531. In 1531, I've accused you of doing some scummy ****. You are not going to ignore me like you say you'll do in 1555, because those are the same kinds of responses you've been giving me since I confronted you on this issue Day 2.

If there is any specific question you have for me, something you don't understand about my motivations or my play, ask me. Ask me specific questions about specific things. Quote posts. Make me sweat. Do something, anything at all. Make time to devote to this game when you actually have internet.