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The Walking Arsenal

mantlecore77

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History
When the first Super Smash Bros. came out in 1999, Link was armed with a useless shield, a sword, handy bombs, a boomerang, and a hookshot. A lot of fans took to heart this walking arsenal, but according to those cursed "tier lists" Link was considered the worst and he lost a lot of playing time because of his poor agility.
In 2001, for SSBM, Link wasn't updated much. Other than having a better physical appearance, a better lookin' boomerang and a mid-air hookshot attack, he only gained the Bow & Arrow. And quite frankly, it was a difficult weapon to use in Melee because of the long charge time and low distance weapon (despite being a bow and arrow).
In Brawl (2008), Link's weapons were modified more than they were in Melee. His bombs took a different look and became slightly more powerful but harder to throw. His boomerang became the "Gale Boomerang", which pulls and pushes enemies with a small tornado that flows with the boomerang itself. It's a brutal edgeguarding tool and can throw opponents off their guard. The bow became much better with shorter charges and greater speed in the air. He also gained the clawshot over hookshot, which doesn't do any differently, but because of the new game design Link was able to grab edges a lot more easily than he did in Melee. Link improved as a character overall from start to finish, but he still is labeled a slow moving arsenal with powerful combinations, but lacks in speed and jumping.

Debate
Before you think I just wasted your time in reminding you fellow Link lovers of what Link carries around in his back pocket, think of this. Despite the fact that Link uses probably his most common weapons,
1.) Boomerang
2.) Bow
3.) Bombs
4.) Sword & Shield
5.) Hook/clawshot
which a lot of fans enjoy, people usually DON'T think of how untapped Link's weaponry potential is.

I'm not saying that Link's weapons should change. In fact, I really like his balance of range and power. I think Nintendo did their job in making Link unique with his weapons.
But what I AM saying is a question: what do you think would be a good new weapon for Link?

It doesn't neccessarily have to be a special attack. Or it could! Whatever you think. Tell me your ideas of what would be a coolish new weapon for Link.

I'm not saying that Link is stupid for having classic weapons. I'm just trying to raise an interesting topic.

My suggestions?

Ball and Chain (Twilight Princess)
Spinner (Twilight Princess)
Skull Hammer (for Toon Link) (Wind Waker)
Slingshot (many Zelda games)
Deku Nuts (it's an item, but what if Link could shock enemies on his own?)
Megaton Hammer (Ocarina of Time)
Magic Cane (many Zelda games)
Bomblings (or crawler bombs, whatever you wanna call them)
 

Crow!

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Since they would be loathe to remove a weapon that Link previously had, they need to make sure that his arsenal consists of weapons that will appear in future installments of Zelda games. There really aren't that many weapons that appear in EVERY Zelda game that Link doesn't already have in Smash. Jars come to mind, but I can't picture that working out so well.

Similarly, they can't really give Link anything new because his buttons are all already taken.. unless you consider replacing a smash like Snake. Or maybe give him a midair up-B that doesn't suck...
 

Hyrus

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His Shield

The fact that the shield "sometimes" blocks an enemy projectile is gimmicky and pretty ********. A shield can and has been used as a weapon (heck, they did it in Twilight Princess) and I think it'd be great if Link's shield were incorporated into Link's A button attacks. Not everything has to be a sword swing.
 

Jink

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IMO:
1) Hero's Shield should be able to block projectiles even if walking or running, or at least just walking.

2) Link should have the ability to Bomb-drop without pulling it out first, like in older Zelda games.

3) SpinBlade should get more range when fully charged, at least to extend as in Melee.

4) His FinalSmash should had been that his Heart-life appeared on screen with all heart full and you could shoot BladeBeams like he did in the first Zelda from NES, and he stayed like that for a few seconds. Oh, and that if you did the Spin it come out as big in TP.

5) Almost forgot this one, that if Link did a PowerShield it would back fire projectiles like in Melee, but with the shield push animation from TP.
 

Zaxro

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All this talk makes me want to play TP again :p, already finished it like 3 times, but yea.

I agree with Hyrus & Jink with the shield aspects, maybe not being able to deflect projectiles by running, that'd make the mother badge useless, and then have alot of people complaining because its 'cheap'
 

AlCaTraz644

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He should actually use his shield rather than having it as an accessory and also being able to throw bombs with arrow together.

His spin attack should had more range
 

LinkSpecialist

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^It was a question.

Am I not allowed to ask questions?
You are, it just seemed like you were implying that this thread seemed needless and if you didn't, my bad. All the same, why post it here? Do you want to hear what he has to say about this thread or what? :)
 

Link Hero of Hyrule

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I think it would be good if he had Moo Moo Milk which heals him a small amount,
Basically I dont think Ive got a problem with him, but.... His second jump could be better (to match marths and Ikes) at least.

Also Heres some other stuff that would be better, I have is that god **** Clawshot. It should have more range like you all been saying about the spin attack, come on the TP Clawshot had range.

His FS should have been Midna appears on Links back (transforms to wolf) and attacks them loads (like he did when killing multiple twilight enemies), that would last as long as his normal FS move.

His enterence could have been Link getting of Epona and she runs off, or His transforms from wolf into Link or teleported through a twilght hole.
 

Aurashade

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a bunch of crap
to be completely honest no one gives a flying **** about you're opinion and this thread. Considering it's pointless to give suggestions for A GAME THAT ALREADY CAME OUT is very arbitrary and it seems like you're just trying to get your thread stickied.

btw if anyone doesn't know link, get out of these boards.

I'm in a bad mood and I'm feeling realllllllllllllllly lazy so seriously just remove this board from your daily viewings.
 

Hyrus

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The idea is to have fun, have a good conversation, and talk about Link.
Post your stuff and have fun! There is 'an internet' full of losers out there who have nothing better to do than to belittle someone else's opinions or fanfic. The best thing you can do is ignore and report when applicable.

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I'm not on the same page with Jink there about the shield. Link shouldn't passively block anything - it's just gimmicky and as a full time passive it's lame. I'm talking about one of the Jab hits, down tilt, or something else would use the shield as a weapon. The attack wouldn't "reflect" either - Link doesn't need one.

I really love the Ball and Chain from Twilight Princess but.... I'm not sure how you would integrate that into Brawl.
And this is the issue most game fiction has to deal with. People want an idea directly taken out of one game and slammed into another with the same functionality. Smash Bros is a different game of its own. And while Link certainly has room to evolve, he's stll going to need to retain that projectile focus and zone control game, regardless of the ideas that you come up with.
 

LinkSpecialist

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I'm not on the same page with Jink there about the shield. Link shouldn't passively block anything - it's just gimmicky and as a full time passive it's lame. I'm talking about one of the Jab hits, down tilt, or something else would use the shield as a weapon. The attack wouldn't "reflect" either - Link doesn't need one.
If Link ever does turn out to have a shield bash attack, it should cause only flinching like Snake's first f-tilt. I'd laugh my *** off hitting someone like that over and over again. If anything, Link's shield should be used as one of his throws. His foward throw could be that he pushes his foe slightly and then rams into them with his shield in hand.
 

mantlecore77

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to be completely honest no one gives a flying **** about you're opinion and this thread. Considering it's pointless to give suggestions for A GAME THAT ALREADY CAME OUT is very arbitrary and it seems like you're just trying to get your thread stickied.

btw if anyone doesn't know link, get out of these boards.

I'm in a bad mood and I'm feeling realllllllllllllllly lazy so seriously just remove this board from your daily viewings.
Holy **** dude calm down.
I was just talking about "what ifs"

Yeah they're not gonna happen, can't people have an opinion without some f*cking "I know everything about SSB and Link and blah" shoving everything down their throats?

Calm down there.
 

Aurashade

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Holy **** dude calm down.
I was just talking about "what ifs"

Yeah they're not gonna happen, can't people have an opinion without some f*cking "I know everything about SSB and Link and blah" shoving everything down their throats?

Calm down there.
you're not cool, you're not funny, you're not smart, YOU CALM DOWN MISTER AND GET

SCAT



BEFORE I GET THE BROOM I'M NOT JOKING
 

Deva

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I mean as in this whole thread should be moved by a mod to the spam boards....as in it doesn't pertain to anything about Link's competetive play.
 

Hyrus

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I mean as in this whole thread should be moved by a mod to the spam boards....as in it doesn't pertain to anything about Link's competetive play.
I'm having trouble finding where it states that all threads in the Link sub forums need to pertain to competitive play. I'm not trying to be a jerk, i'd just like to be pointed to where that ideology falls into place.

This thread, "Katanagunclaws", is a post in the Bowser forums where Sliq has put a poorly photoshoped Bowser on a shirt. It has no relevance to the game at all, and yet SamuraiPanda (link to his post) has posted his approval in the thread.

But let's go the extra mile. Here's the official rules, posted at the top of every forum: here. In short, there's nothing about what's go and not in a character sub forum, but there is an interesting line about adding one-liner posts which don't contribute and lack substance. The subtitle for the Brawl Character Forum does imply "Brawl Characters", but that can be a pretty lose interpretation since this is just fanfiction.

But let's get real. If we could only post subjects about the competitive play of Link, this forum would get pretty dead pretty quick. ...With the exception of competitive videos, which has its own sub forum. There's only so many ways to Zair and DAC.

There's a lot of grey lines here, but when it doubt, i'd look to the moderator to set the example. Katana-gun-claws.
 
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I'm having trouble finding where it states that all threads in the Link sub forums need to pertain to competitive play. I'm not trying to be a jerk, i'd just like to be pointed to where that ideology falls into place.

This thread, "Katanagunclaws", is a post in the Bowser forums where Sliq has put a poorly photoshoped Bowser on a shirt. It has no relevance to the game at all, and yet SamuraiPanda (link to his post) has posted his approval in the thread.

But let's go the extra mile. Here's the official rules, posted at the top of every forum: here. In short, there's nothing about what's go and not in a character sub forum, but there is an interesting line about adding one-liner posts which don't contribute and lack substance. The subtitle for the Brawl Character Forum does imply "Brawl Characters", but that can be a pretty lose interpretation since this is just fanfiction.

But let's get real. If we could only post subjects about the competitive play of Link, this forum would get pretty dead pretty quick. ...With the exception of competitive videos, which has its own sub forum. There's only so many ways to Zair and DAC.

There's a lot of grey lines here, but when it doubt, i'd look to the moderator to set the example. Katana-gun-claws.

all threads don't have to fall into competitive play, but im pretty sure making threads along the lines of "I want brawl link to have these changes" are not allowed. thus making this thread trash.
 

Swordplay

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um.....If Links shield was the mirror shield can could reflect projectiles (OMG THAT WOULD BE AWESOME)

otherwise I would like a double clawshot like in twilight princess so I can just fly through the air...

BTW....flaming this thread is not worth my time.
 

Ich Bin Awesome

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I'm having trouble finding where it states that all threads in the Link sub forums need to pertain to competitive play. I'm not trying to be a jerk, i'd just like to be pointed to where that ideology falls into place.

This thread, "Katanagunclaws", is a post in the Bowser forums where Sliq has put a poorly photoshoped Bowser on a shirt. It has no relevance to the game at all, and yet SamuraiPanda (link to his post) has posted his approval in the thread.

But let's go the extra mile. Here's the official rules, posted at the top of every forum: here. In short, there's nothing about what's go and not in a character sub forum, but there is an interesting line about adding one-liner posts which don't contribute and lack substance. The subtitle for the Brawl Character Forum does imply "Brawl Characters", but that can be a pretty lose interpretation since this is just fanfiction.

But let's get real. If we could only post subjects about the competitive play of Link, this forum would get pretty dead pretty quick. ...With the exception of competitive videos, which has its own sub forum. There's only so many ways to Zair and DAC.

There's a lot of grey lines here, but when it doubt, i'd look to the moderator to set the example. Katana-gun-claws.

Compliments on this solid argument you presented Hyrus, backed up with research and everything. I still do agree with most people that this is trash, but kudos anyway.
 

Nyjin

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What Link needs is.

1. Epona (Run over people with a horse! SWEET!)
2. Ocarina of Time (Slow down time for maximum damage!!)
3. Triforce of Courage (That would make a GREAT projectile! :p)

Seriously! ^_^
 

Deva

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It's not all competetive play, I'm just using an example of what threads on the Link boards tend to and should look like. They dont all have to pertain to competetive play, but the ones that do tend to contribute the most to the boards and follow the guidelines of posting on these forums are in general about competetive play. This thread, on the other hand, contributes nothing to the Link forums. I mean, honestly, what's the point in talking about what Link could have had. It only depresses the readers even more as they realize what garbage Link really is in this game. By me saying it is spam because it doesnt pertain to competetive play, was more of an overexageration of how it doesnt pertain to some of the highest qualiy of posting on theses threads, when obviously I could have related it it to something of a lower standard that would have made more sense. Overall, it was more of just a joke relating it to such a high standard. The overall point was that it's useless though, no matter what you compare it to,
 

Aurashade

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what link needs is for hyrus to get the stick out of his *** and for people to stop saying "what the link boards need" because we all know I'm the only one who can do that (frankly because I'm the only one who ever does anything about it), so seriously people, stfu.
 

Onomanic

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what link needs is for hyrus to get the stick out of his *** and for people to stop saying "what the link boards need" because we all know I'm the only one who can do that (frankly because I'm the only one who ever does anything about it), so seriously people, stfu.
Yup. Only Aurashade can do that.
 
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